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I think recommendations are great things, and much more helpful that some reviews I have seen elsewhere, especially negative ones. So many things can factor in to any session, it seems like a waste of time to claim that an sp provides bad service just because the reviewer did not achieve what he set out to get from her. In short, I would just suggest you stick with the advertising. If she has an ad or website that specifically mentions rates and services and restrictions, that sets the limit of what you can or should be writing about. After that, if she advertises kissing, you simply say she is a terrific kisser. If you received a discount or extra time, you do not mention that because that is a ymmv and as soon as you put it out there, she is obligated or expected to either provide it or explain why not. So if in doubt, leave it out lol. Ultimately, I think anyone just wants to look at a review or recommendation and confirm for themselves that she provides the advertised services, and is a legitimate and reputable provider they can feel safe to go visit and experience a great experience.

Excepting in the cases where the activity takes place behind the scenes, via pms to someone, visitor messages, or possibly sending pms about another member with false information, etc. One face in public, another in private. I agree posting the info would let others know for what and how long a member is suspended, which can be a helpful tool in deciding who to see (for both sps and clients!), and also help highlight what is or is not acceptable behaviour for members here. Not a bad thing. I disagree also that it would lead to threads and discussions. It rarely if ever leads to this on the other board mentioned, as the announcement of bannings and suspensions is a locked thread, and ppl rarely post about them, unless it is a chronic offender (like someone who constantly gets banned for bad behaviour, creates new handles over and over, and they get banned as well lol)

I agree. I doub that any clients or sps would ever assume or provide bbfs or bb greek just because the PSE term is used. I do not however think that anyone should be surprised if clients and sps assume it to include bbbjs tho. There would be a more extreme level of activity anyway. For the OP, there is also no reason for you to provide bbbjs at all, no matter how "clean" you assume those trusted clients are. Do it or not do it, but if you do it for some and not others, the others tend to get offended when you do not do it for them, imo. Do it for extra and be prepared to provide for all, or none, that is my opinion. No reason to provide it at all, anyway, if you are not prepared to offer it to everyone. Just use the term Safe GFE. That means the potential client will not be able to assume you provide bbbjs or daty. If you already provide kissing and a sweet and huggable encounter, then you are fulfilling the standard assumptions of the term. And there are assumptions about the term so anyone using it has to be prepared to address those common assumptions. Within that term you just list the things that you do provide, so there is no misunderstandings. We simply cannot assume that using a term like GFE and PSE is going to have universally accepted items, so it is up to the sp to determine what she provides, how to use the term and make sure she is being consistent or at least up front about what the clients could expect to get. Safe GFE helps a lot, as does a list of dos and don'ts that's all. But you do not have to adhere to that portion of clients who are trying to insist the term must include bbbjs or daty, for example, to "qualify". There are some who use GFE in ads, when imo they actually provide PSE., There is no romance, there is daty, bbbjs, dfk, and non stop action with little or no communication. That to me is not GFE, it is PSE.

I think that is a very important aspect. It gives her back her power, and I assure you it is very stressful to be falsely accused and have your professional reputation muddied thru any sort of lie. The lies posted on a review site are by anonymous posters, and sps are not so anonymous, and so it is doubly frustrating to not be able to get action on such things. Especially if it is the review board admin who encourages such posts, allows them to remain (because they have created a stupid "no delete" policy) or when it is the admin themselves posting the lies as an excuse to rid themselves of sp members they consider meddlesome. There were a number of reputable experienced sps who recently went thru something like this on another board, with the result the threats of legal action had the admin owner backpedaling with hourly edits to the posts, moving the threads so they were no longer Neighbourhood watch alerts, etc. Like this, it is disgraceful that anyone would encourage this and I suspect it was pursued in order to make the next loser think twice about what they are doing. The internet is not a free-for-all, allowing common sense and legalities to go out the window with every post. They need to be held accountable, prosecuted and exposed if they are breaking the law, there are consequences. :ablow:

As long as it is a reportable std, and one that by law the individual is obligated to disclose, then yes, he can and should be charged. It is not the case of his passing it along to one other person, but several. These are the 6 who contracted it and were used as evidence. As such we have every reason to believe there are far more victims out there, plus the few who were lucky eough not to contract it tho they were exposed. For these 6 and however many others, their choice was taken away from them, just as it would have been had he had been diagnosed with HIV/AIDs

I think this is the intent of the term. It is for younger guys usually to meet up with a woman who closely resembles their highschool Mom crush like from when they were 15-16. Of course a milf is attractive to the older clients as well. The implication is experience and attractive, and to review that teenage lust, usually. In other words, this would be nearly impossible if the Mom in question is 21. Any sp younger than 30 who is a mom should be calling herself "yummy mommy", imo. The MILF term implies minimum 30 (probably 35+)

Before you ask, make sure the menu is not already listed elsewhere in her ad or website. It is legal to discuss rates and services on the phone, and I think the sps who do not want to talk about it then are from 2 sides. The honest and sincere sp may think this: 1. if it is already on their site, and you ask, they wonder why you are calling them if it so obvious you have not checked their website or ad. They can think that you are not being terribly selective, but just randomly calling up everyone ads and that leads to them thinking you might not be seriously looking. Or on the other side of the sp fence are the more dishonest ones: 2. They plan to upsell you. They say they "can't" talk about rates/services on the phone because it isn't "allowed" or "legal" (it is, and has been proven to be by law), so they are either deliberately trying to mislead you in hopes that (a) you expect gfe based on their ad or conversation, but they do not provide it, and assume you will not turn them away when they arrive (or you arrive) or (b) they can quote a relatively low rate, but when you(she) arrives, then all of the things you would like to do are available, but at an additional cost. It is why it is important that both sp and client are fully aware of the legality of this business, and what is legal so as to avoid these situations. As a caller, you won't be able to distinguish between the sincere but misinformed sp who won't discuss services and the scammer type who plans to upsell later. If the every single sincere one steps up and provide all the info you need to make your decision, then it will be much easier to avoid the insincere sps. ;)

It takes such little effort to behave in a professional manner with good customer service, that it makes me wonder at "these kids today" lol. Cuz I do see this same are you done yet, answer the phone, tv on attitude in all sorts of different types of work. I once pmed a newer sp who was getting some indifferent of bad reviews and pointed out how easy it is to address those things and not have her reviews "marked down" for such simple fixes that would not cost her anything in time, money or restrictions. Not that I am a knowitall, but what seems to us as common sense someone knew to work in general, let alone this work, does have an attitude that all they need to do is show up, take money, and that is it. Repeaters are what keeps them going, and little things like no phone, no tv, offer the shower, dress nicely, keep the work space clean and tidy, smile, say hello, etc, do not use paper towels!!, etc, don't cost anything, but make a world of difference.

It has been my pleasure to get to know you here since I joined, and I hope you have a wonderful year.

Everyone has good suggestions. Definitely every woman is different and you cannot copy what works for one onto another. For some women, digits do absolutely nothing but make them think of the fingernails scraping inside the vagina and others love love love it. When asked, I just advise guys to start slowly and you cannot go wrong. Because if you start slow and soft with someone who likes it faster she will tell you. If you start hard and fast with someone who will only ever like a soft touch, you have pretty much lost her until you can build up the trust again that you won't hurt her (yes, fast and hard hurts for someone who cannot take that). Never ever go directly on the clit with a finger rubbing, it MIGHT be ok with a VERY soft tongue flicker, but most women have too much sensitivity there. Put it this way, if you wouldn't do it to your eyeball, don't do it down there either. So, I imagine scratching your fingernail across the surface of your eyeball is not something that will bring you pleasure lol. Rubbing your eye with lid closed, yes. Aha!! near but not directly on the clit. If she is moving, that might be good. If she is moving away, backing up, etc, that means back off. If she wants more she will move the way that works. Maintain a steady pace, don't stop and start and start and stop, and never ever go at it with a lot more gusto and so on

I'd also say be wary of the sp who wants to be your best friend AND be wary of wanting to become her bff, as in asking for her to meet you for any reason whatsoever off the clock. If she is a scammer she is more likely to take you up on it imo, as a more professional approach sp draws that line. A more professional sp makes her money honestly, exchange of $$ for services, and when she needs more $$, she works more or puts on a special rate. If dancer rely on working for tips, etc, it is possible they don't see the same sort of simple exchange, and maybe they don't see as much in a day as an sp gets, so this flirting-for-$$ or sad story becomes part of squeezing a little extra out of someone who (see above re: bffs lol) Would you like to be seen hanging out with someone who has the looks, youth and body of a dancer?? Of course you would, but take care about crossing that line. And never give any $$ that you can't afford to never see again. :cool:

I agree. Just because it's sex doesn't mean it isn't a business, and hopefully sps can treat is with that level of good business sense. It is good business to not allow your time to be wasted by anyone who can potentially waste your time and cause you to turn away a legitimate caller. A phone call is by far superior way to screen a client than emails, and don't get me started on texting. How many sps have been sent on bogus outcalls because they trusted an appt completely set up by text? It is just common sense that you at least confirm the person on the other end of the email or text is male (unless it is supposed to be female :boobies:) How can someone be accountable if it is so easy for them to say, oh, I couldn't get to my email so I couldn't cancel. This is especially problematic for an sp who refuses to give out their phone #. She will really be stuck, the appt needs to be confirmed not less than an hour in advance leaving her unable to arrange any sort of back up plan if in 1.15 hours that doesn't show up. Have them phone to confirm if the booking was by email, and you get the # and a commitment. I have a 2 call system (nobody is permitted to book via email, and have no texting) Call any time for information, let me know an approx time unless it is for right away, then call back when ready to head over. I am very clear that no appt can be prebooked for new clients, but that I will make every effort to be available around their preferred time. If they cannot make it, no cancellation is necessary and I do not consider them a no show anyway. If they claim they can, I know they are calling within a half hour of arrival, I have nothing else lined up when I agree and when 30 minutes have past they should be there. If anyone else calls, I give them an approx time in the future that I will be available, and let them know I might be earlier if they want me to call them back sooner. The motives for the no shows are unknown to me. Especially the ones who call to confirm an appt (and you have seen them before!) but they do not show up. Typically, these are the ones with the block # lol, which I do answer, as well as payphones, because I am so accustomed to voice screening that I am very happy with who I see with or without a #. To me, the tradeoff is that payphone, block# or real # are all equally likely to show up or not show up, so it makes not much difference in the end. The key elements is that conversation PLUS a confirmation call is made shortly before the appt time. That actually works well for clients as well: if you do it all by email, then think you have an appt set up, you can only benefit by asking can you call when you are ready to head over to confirm. Or same day or closer to the time. I think you will be assured she is on time and will be there if you talk to her before you start knocking on the door.

I am going to assume that you are getting a number of enquiries from clients who ask about things on the site or ad. Don't overly concern yourself with this; they are just verifying that what they think they saw is confirmed by you. If that is by phone, it might be simply they do not have the info in front of them, and again, they are verifying what they thought they saw. It gives them something to talk about, since it is not so much the topic but the conversation itself that is important to them. :smile:

ditto. I missed it as well, I guess. Just wanted to give a :bowdown: to mod, who really does respond swiftly and honorably in regards to the "report post" option. Many sps are skittish about joining review sites, as are some newbies, and it does not take much to run them off the board with a sly post or a rude pm. Other sites will trounce any 411s by a new member, and whether an sp or a client, nobody wants to scare away either, I wouldn't think. So having a board that is more welcoming is a pleasure to be on, whether one posts a lot or a little. :D

No to the original scenario. Yes to a doctor checkup. The sleeping alot is the meds, and depression, as is the apathy, not laziness, so that's why I say doctor checkup. Yes to set up with a job -- the guy can volunteer and help others if nothing paying comes up. Makes it easier to have references and experiences for a paying job too. If, at the end of that, you still want to inspire him sexually, I would suggest a straight up approach, probably at a massage place where you can both go and fs is not on the menu. Since we are not sure what he can or cannot do due to the meds, etc, then going into a full on fs is a mistake, whether he knows it is an sp or not. The stress to perform, if unable, is not going to make him a happy camper. :)

Also, forgot to mention, I doubt if there is anything touristy in Surrey or nearby Surrey. However, in New Westminster (easy to get to via sky train), there is a Quay, and boardwalk along the river, Queens Park, and older heritage homes. In Ft. Langley, not that far from Surrey, it is a cute little village and old HBC trading post or some such thing. Also sky train can take you into downtown Vancouver, to Stanley Park or the beach, and the Sea bus can take you from the sky train to Lonsdale Quay in North Vancouver. Buses or driving can take you up to Capilano suspension bridge, or Cypress/Seymour mountains, or Grouse Mountain, etc. Or, go to Richmond for an Asian experience. Authentic grocery stores, restaurants, and shopping. Many malls are Chinese only, all the products, stores, etc are typically available in China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, etc, including food. At a Chinese mall, the food fairs are FANTASTIC. Way better than western mall food fair selections, and way cheaper lol. Surrey is a good location for getting to White Rock (beach, fish&chips), and the US border into Washington state. It usually takes about 20 minutes to cross the border, maybe a couple of hours total to get to Seattle. You need a passport to cross the border, altho good ID can be enough most of the time.

I do not know of any casinos in Surrey though there would be some across either Patullo bridge in New Westminster or the Port Mann bridge in Coquitlam (or the Alex Fraser bridge, I suppose in Richmond?) In Surrey, there are organic food stores. I would contact one and ask for a recommendation for celiac friendly. : http://www.organicgrocerweb.ca/ http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&q=organic+food+restaurant+surrey&meta=&aq=f&oq=organic+food+restaurant+surrey&fp=ada65163c2197ad6 And I am the wrong person to ask about 30+ single bars (I am not sure there are any singles bars in the lower mainland lol). http://www.casinozone.com/company/index.asp?state_prov=2 http://www.casinozone.com/c/Vancouver/Casino/River_Rock_Casino_Resort.html http://www.casinozone.com/c/New_Westminster/Casino/Starlight_Casino_-_New_Westminster.html http://www.casinozone.com/c/Coquitlam/Casino/Boulevard_Casino.html These places will have bars, entertainment (River Rock), restaurants/food/buffets, etc.

If it becomes important, find a place to volunteer, like a hospital gift shop, thrift shop, or small owner-operator business. You will learn how to do cash/cc/debit sales, returns, whatever whatever, most likely.

Some try to push it to be included in order to use the term, but I think that most reasonable people know that it is not necessary to be included to use the term. The two style are (or should be) different enough with or without it. That allows those who do a PSE without greek maybe have a slightly lower rate than someone who does offer it, or the sp who offers it to charge an extra amount (the extra $$ is usually in order to reduce stress on the body so it is not performed in every appt). (It also allows the client who is not wanting it to pay the lower PSE rate too, which is fair. I don't think clients should have to pay all inclusive rates when they don't want or are looking for every single thing, so sps who have a more flexible rate allows for that.) I think that, along with the GFE term, there are a number of sps who use these terms with no clue as to what "industry" has defined them to be lol. It is always best to ask for their personal acronym list when making your decisions and booking appts. :-D

I'm sure there are a few threads on the topic, but to the question, which is a good one, YES, imo, you should feel, see or experience a difference between GFE and PSE. Especially if an sp is providing both options as different, and you try out both, I would hope that you see a noticeable difference between the two.

Oh, I should add, get yourself tested and await the results, before you visit your first sp. Many people pick things up in their youth or teens due to failure to use condoms, and then freak out after their first sp experience. It is better to know going in if you have picked up anything in your "civilian" life, rather than wait until later and assume you got it thru the hobby.

I agree, stick with the in-school reason for no recent work related experience. Are you looking for work experience in order to get the job, or just concerned they might view the gap as something to question? If you need work experience in retail, and don't have any, there isn't any way around that. I hired people before who didn't have retail work experience, but they knew quite abit about the products thru their own hobby work and that would be the tactic you might want to use. A frequent customer of any place I manage would also be more value than someone who has the retail background but only came in because of a job posted. At least I knew they understood the products, knew the layout. Anyone can learn to use a cash register, process payments, but not too many can really sell the product. A fan/customer of the product can, and if this is a place you really like, that is what you want to promote about yourself.

Wow, so obviously she is oblivious, because by this time someone somewhere sometime has had to have told her directly that what she is doing is very uncool. This is the sort of thing that will lose biz and clients faster than anything else, imo. I would also highly recommend that any clients seeing new to the biz sps should let them know right up front that texting or calling out of the blue like this is very very bad. Sometimes for some people it is okay, but the sp doesn't know enough at that point to realize that it is unprofessional, etc. Also, this technology of texting gives people the illusion of privacy like emails, when the opposite is true. Too many send out these texts without thinking. If you hadn't said the above comment, I would have suggested she might have texted you accidentally, thinking she was contacting someone who had requested a late night date and she was told to text when she was available. However, that does not sound like that happened. :shock:

Don't say anything. It is a pointless question to ask and potentially offensive. Simply choose safe sex practices, and you should not even be concerned about the issue. Safe meaning cbj not bbbj, no daty, no kissing or light kissing only. Or for the truly nervous, choose a non full service option like a bj or hj with massage. You can get over your concerns and nerves if you do non-fs with any sp first, then revisit her when you feel that she has safe practises. YOu can also choose to see an sp who does not provide bbbjs, for example, to increase your comfort level. I say asking an sp if she is clean, etc is pointless because if she doesn't test regularly, she is going to say yes she is clean. If she does test regularly, she is going to say yes. So pointless. And if someone got test results back 3 days ago, they have still had experiences that may expose them to an std by the time you visit with them. Chances are lower with sps tho because they are aware of transmission and do take fewer chances with their health. You are better off with a sexual encounter with an sp than some random chica off the internet dating sites, or a nightclub, in other words.

Many multi hour rates for many sps are not just a 2xhourly so it is difficult to compare a 2hr session rate to what is a typical hour rate. I think the escort average hourly for safe GFE in Vancouver, Edmonton and Calgary is approx 300/hr with a significant number who have PSE rates of 350-400 per hour (with PSE being the GFE equivalent of the East coast (i.e. bbbjs, greek, daty are not included in many indy GFE rates so GFE rates are lower than PSE rates that would include a bbbj (if they do them) and greek). Some indys will double their rate for a 2hr session, some will reduce by 50 so a 300/hr rate will be 550 for 2hr. The courtesan level rate for safe GFE starts around 400/hr and a few are able to charge 500 hourly. For competition, the non-asian sps in these areas do not have nearly the competition that most sps in Ontario, etc have. The number of asian sps is much higher, and that is where you see the lower competitive rate wars. But then you don't see a high quality encounter, just a high mileage and low rate, and maximum time limit usually 45minutes around 120-140 with a 30+ sp. Typically, non-asian sps have no trouble demanding double those rates and not providing the bbbjs. Anyone coming to Vancouver out of Ontario or Montreal had best really check the services and rates offered by Vancouver (or Alberta) sps and never ever assume that a bbbj is part of the package, and also expect that greek will be an optional extra. If headed to Victoria, most rates appear lower, but have a lot of add-ons: bbbj, msog, greek, etc will often be charged extra per service. You can avoid A LOT OF disappointment by not assuming the services will be similar to the East lol.