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I think most TV portrayals of any profession are one dimensional, by necessity. I think the Diary series helps a lot just because it portrays more of the background of the character, that is, she is more of a real person, with a family who judge her not thru her work but thru her apparent lack of ambition lol. Or lack of husband and family. Then the comical side or practical side of getting ready for appts, and how the majority of the time is not all about sex or that the clients don't appreciate or like her. So, it does go further into the life of a real person, making hopefully people see that escorts are more than just their profession and don't all come from broken homes and abusive childhoods, etc, but can make these choices for themselves, including how and where they work for independence. Vastly different than most portrayals. Other than that, typically CSI (the original) can use the legitimacy of brothels and escorting in Nevada to their advantage. There is one where a client at a ranch is killed and they interview the escorts who work there. Everyone different, no one a particular stereotype. Also, there was a dominatrix repeat character who was interestingly portrayed.

This is a great attitude. If an sp provides dinner dates she has social rates, and they are also in place to help reduce or eliminate line blurring. If a client is in search of more social time, she will work out an option that benefits both. It is rarely double the GFE hour rate, but a much lower consideration per hour with the understanding that that time is sociable, like with dinner or lunch. That is, after all, her occupation. These are attractive women. A lot of guys, client or not, are asking them out. It is not as though she is lacking in friends or personal social contacts. If a client asks her out without acknowledging she does have a social rate for "dates" he puts her in the awkward position of either bringing it up herself, turning him down, or going anyway under pressure of not wanting to appear to be allaboutthemoney.. Once it is dealt with, she is free to go or not go, charge or not charge, at her discretion. A lot of guys spend more than an hour with sps, 3,4 or 5 hour session appts are not all that unusual. They are not paying her to be their friend, they are paying her to be their companion.

Usually a reference is just one of a few options she will have available for you to book an appt. Sometimes it is confusing, and you can see the options as a complete list of all the things you have to do, but it isn't. Choose one option that you can provide and go from there. If she needs more, she will let you know.

No offense to the OP, but I have also seen a lot of reviews of a negative nature reminding guys that they get what they pay for and Too Good To Be True regarding the sorts of specials that are so drastically lower than average. If these are sps who would not normally have half hour rates, and their regular hour rate is 200, then I can see it being a fantastic offer. Normally they would be charging 120 at least. But if it is not someone reliable and reputable, all too often what you hear is that it is a rushed service usually less than the promised half hour or there is no GFE included, there is nothing in the way of extra services at that rate, and if the client does want those extras then the price will go up accordingly. Or by client #7 she is lets him in, strips, lays on her back and stares at the ceiling until he is done. In other words, if you see such a special offer, book earlier appts and ask questions about what is or is not included for the special rate. ;-)

Sorry, I lost the link, but this is a nice breakdown. It is from an older article, and googling escort agency bylaw license Vancouver did nothing (the same thing for Edmonton takes you directly to the bylaw requirements from the appropriate dept). The following breaks down for comparison: Vancouver sps can get themselves an individual license, but typically they do not. So having that on record is not something of much concern in Vancouver. That is not so in Edmonton where all sps must have a license and almost all stings are related to an indy sp having or not having a license. Incalls running several people are always going to be a target. You cannot license it legally period. However, no one from bylaw enforcement will come knocking on your door as they do in Alberta, looking for unlicensed sps or similar. LE will respond to complaints (the neighbours assume drugs, so it is very important the traffic is kept quiet and to a minimum as much as possible). Normally, incalls with multiple people sharing change their locations. Most agencies are outcalls only for that reason, plus saves the cost of rent and upkeep of an apartment. There are already a couple of Indepent Agency type businesses in the area. SweetVIPs specifically has one or two people do the bookings for any independent that wants to sign up. They have a website that features the sps, plus their schedules, travel dates, etc. The sps however have their own websites, do their own indy advertising, etc.. They set their own prices, hours, restrictions. They simply pitch in fees for booking and I suppose pay a fee when they need to use the shared incall space. The benefit they get from joining is attracting the attention of clients who prefer to book through an agency. The person who runs it has been operating different related businesses for several years and the clients trust her to work with sps who are reliable, reputable and honest. I would suggest you look at them for suggestions; however, they are based out of Victoria,not Vancouver. The bylaw issues they have will be different. The indy sps tend to get licensed, etc, similar to Edmonton. You cannot run an agency without a license. Most city businesses require licenses and you will be fined for operating without a license. It is probably dead easy to apply for and get one, though you likely have to be a registered business.

No reason not to have the child in daycare for the times she places ads for working. 80 per call (or more) will more than cover an 8 hour day care stay) It is simply a matter of time before someone who walks away reports her, and then what is going to happen. Personally, I would have contacted this individual directly. I do not know if she is a member or not, but she can be easily reached through her ads. Posting the info publically does run the risk of alerting bad guys to the situation; this sp is in danger of being blackmailed by an individual who finds her and goes to see her now based on going there with this knowledge.

This may not be the thing for a first encounter, but something to talk about on a first visit, how about that? Some sps have porn on when they do incalls, others have soft music. I think a soft music type of sp is not going to be a porn watching sp, but who knows. I think, in general, women are not going to be as turned on by the porn as you are if that is your reason for having it. She is, however, going to be interested in anything that enhances your personal experience. If that is porn, then she will say yes to porn. I am not entirely sure that you are truly going to know for sure, and would suggest that this: should be used for your guideline lol.

That's quite right. And people tend to think nothing of emails and texts and leave voice messages as though they haven't just left a permanent record of their activity :confused: They have just created a case against themselves. It is one thing to call someone up and spew all that out from a blocked #, which is still traceable, but to actually write it down and send it out is just crazy. Acting as though no one can touch them or will do anything about it because they are directed at sps really doesn't work anymore. The emails should be forwards to abuse at the originators email account. So if coming from a gmail account, forward it to [email protected] (unless this is different for gmail) Email services always have an abuse or help contact address, but it may take time to figure out what the address is. I assume the emails are being sent (from how they look) in response to something the sp perceives is going on? Any idea what prompted the emails, or was it just out of the blue to a recent ad posting?

I could not think of a thing, when it came time to create a handle since I had not thought it out beforehand. Fortunately for me, CCR was playing on the radio and the idea that: It ain't me, it ain't me... I ain't no fortunate one. Kind of stuck in my head: handle = anonymous = it ain't me :sm185: I use it on all the boards I join tho. And it is less that I am not fortunate, but that I am the fortunate one to have found such fun folks to communicate with in a biz that is surprisingly solitary much of the time. ;)

Unfortunately what usually gets these people is not paying attention to the increased traffic and the constant coming and going of single men. When people see this kind of activity, their first thoughts are drugs and they will complain. Any sps conducting biz at any sort of similar level in a house, rather than an apt building, is going to go thru the same sort of scrutiny, imo. People rarely think prostitution is going on when they see this pattern, and definitely do not want any sort of drugs in their neighbourhood. Discretion is key here, and these guys were not.

By classy, I think you are also looking for someone who is professional and discrete in public, does not discuss other clients at dinner, doesn't answer her cel phone during social time to book other appts, dresses discretely (i.e. not in stripper platform shiny gold strappy shoes and sequins -- not that there is anything wrong with that), minimal makeup, doesn't show up drunk, isn't loud or coarse or vulgar in speech, can converse on a wide range of subjects including politics and literature, anything else??. :mrgreen:

Find the group in your area that does an "adopt a family" for Xmas. Or they may do a tree with gifts for kids and you pick one of the envelopes off the tree and fulfill the child's wish for Xmas. YW/YMCA, various missions, Salvation Army, etc will all have something to choose from. http://www.woodgreen.org/support/Adopt-A-Family.html http://www.torontocitymission.com/adoptafamily.html http://www1.salvationarmy.org/can/www_can_bc.nsf/vw-sublinks/B11CAED11BC091738025739A0065994D?openDocument Seriously, sps do not need anything other than your continued visits, imo. A few in the Vancouver area and elsewhere do food bank discounts -- you bring gift cards or canned items and they will give you a discount from your session.

Pantyhose is not something that I always have on hand as it tends to get unwearable after one session :sm185: If she is visiting she may not know the best place to stay, or even where to get the item. I have had clients show up with pantyhose for me, but that is when I have made it clear I may not have any if they are arranging a meeting on short notice. Even if she was already in them, bringing along another pair with you (from dollar store or similar), means you are prepared, plus you are replacing the pair that she is wearing lol.

I am sure any sp who has a variety of options available would already have this worked out. I have worked out a special rate for this, since the majority of my clients who are looking for hjs are not looking for "gfe" elements the rates are close but different. This is kind of fun in a 69 position, actually (keeping in mind it is hj not bj) The rate is not as high as fs, but not as low as my non-fs sessions. There must be others who have developed the same sorts of options :wink: I would not switch to fs when someone has chosen not to do fs; unless asked; because I think that that would be very disrespectful of their wishes.

Refreshing this thread reminded me of this statement here lol: Because I had expected the numbers were going to be huge, right, so the 100 made me chuckle. As of now (7:45pm PST) Dec 4 on the Vancouver erotic services section (not just w4m, but let's face it, there are not a lot of ads that are not w4m), there have been over 1400 ads posted TODAY ...... SO FAR. And I only went back to about 7AM this morning. Oddly enough the number of ads posted daily before the account system put in place to control the overposting was usually around 800 for a 24 hour period. (The asian micros & a couple of individuals continue to overpost continuously and normally are able to have at least 8 ads per sp per day adding to the overwhelming number of ads daily) So if 100 ads daily is an explosion, I wonder what they would call Vancouver's. It got so bad, they have sectioned off the different city areas -- and even there certain individuals still post 8 times daily even when the effect is they show up 4-5 times per 100 ads if you select their area :confused:

That's true. Why run the risk, on both sides, of encountering someone who finds this unattractive or unprofessional. Many sps loathe that some sps use this in their correspondence or conversation in that it, no matter if entirely genuine, is such a stereotypical "fakery" that we all suffer for it in the end, lol, by being accused of not being genuine, sincere but for being fake interested. No one is going to be offended if you use neither a name nor an endearment. Using one may be offensive to anyone, tho. Like others here, if anyone calls me honey, baby or sweetie on a first phone call, it is unlikely I will see them, it is unlikely they are a serious/sincere caller, but it is likely that I will scold them for calling anyone baby that they have not even met. For sps who call everyone "hun", same thing. You run the risk of having someone assume you are one of the fakers, and you may miss out on good clients by this. It is so overused by the unprofessional sps that anyone who hears it often tunes it out, and instantly goes "pass", to call or contact someone who just says, hi how are you. thanks for calling me!

You really should not use these if you expect protection. Maybe for a bj only, but not fs. The female condom is the best choice for someone who is smaller in length in particular. Even a snug fit condom cannot stay on a shorter length, which is not something you want. You should also consider using a cock ring with the condom, which will help keep it secure.

Like beer, I could never see the point of "learning" to like something. It seems like a trendy thing to do right now, and seriously potentially damaging to the body in the long run. I suggest that everyone who does it charges extra for it to help reduce the demand which will help avoid overuse and the long term damage it will cause to the body. In the meantime, like beer, I have tried it, don't like it, not interested, and I think I know better than he does whether or not I like something thank you very much lol. Never assume, always ask, and just cuz you seen it in porn doesn't mean it is okay to do everyday twice a day lol. On the OPs original point, if she doesn't advertise it chances are extremely good that she doesn't offer it. It would have been amongst the info provided when you asked about rates and services. If she does advertise it, it is something that you need to book for to ensure prep time. If you wait until you arrive and ask then, chances are very good on a first visit she will turn you down. If you are larger than she would prefer, she will most likely tell you she does not ever do greek. If you are ok, she might tell you she does, but only with advance notice. Either way you go, it can't hurt to ask just don't expect her to be able to do it that first visit.

I'm just of the opinion that if you are in the market for something, that you just work until you can afford it. Same from the client side, don't ask for a discount or to exchange something you have. Just let me earn what you charge, I will pay you for it, then you will have the $$ for an appt.

Ditto. The fact is that if the sp is 18 and over, and the discussion of rates/services is not done in a public place, and the activity itself takes place in a legal location, there is absolutely nothing illegal about prostitution. In other words, there is nothing for LE to investigate. There does seem to be a lot of misperception about this biz, due to those pesky little laws that make this legal activity more difficult, but that does not take away from the fact that no criminal charges can be laid (therefore no stings are going to be setup) for prostitution. 93% of all arrests related to this biz are for solicitation re: street work, either the sps or the clients get dinged for talking rates & services in public. So how to proceed? Avoid, like the plague, any and all ads that use the 18 age or refer to the sp as "barely legal". More often than not, she is not just "barely legal" she is not legal at all. 18 is the legal age for sex work, period. On CL it is more likely that the 16-17 year olds will be advertising this age. In Victoria, LE targetted those ads to discover underage workers. They are fairly easily spotted anyway, barely legal and barely literate, sometimes no clue about what the acronyms mean, and no clue that no one in their right mind offers services at such low rates, or advertises they are available for bbfs. In this day and age, as well, I wouldn't assume the younger ones are pimped out. There are enough addicts or looking for short cuts to fancy clothes and shoes out there that pick up on this as an easy way to make money. I have chatted with a couple of ex-meth addicts who did this underage to fund the addiction, but there was no one else around them forcing them into it. It was a means to an end. As well, there have been a few news stories on the teenagers who want all the stuff their parents won't buy for them, so this seems like a good idea. Heck lots of teens are sexting naked pics to friends, doing bjs to fit in, etc, this probably seems like a great idea to make some $$ as well.

1. You have to ask before booking the appt. No other way. Are you making appts with indies, or thru agencies. If agencies, then stop and for now deal only thru the sp directly. The items you are looking for are most likely listed in her advertising. If you don't see what you are looking for she does not provide it; time to either go ahead knowing that or move on. Once you do find someone you like, then using her preferred method of contact, tell her you are interested, approx day and time, and let her know that you are specifically looking for x & y and you are just confirming that the info in her ad is still current (sometimes it isn't and if it is not, she will appreciate the question. Also, gives her something to reply about.) Once she confirms the services, then if they are not provided or she changes it on arrival, you have the right to leave before you start. You hear now and then about the sps who say yes they do that, but when you show up suddenly they are "out of condoms" or "just back from the dentist" or whatever else is they should have let you know when you confirmed the appt the day of. 2. If the services are not as advertised and confirmed, and you don't find this out until mid-way I suggest you just mention it once in a non-confrontational way, like Oh, I think you emailed me that you do X & Y, give her the chance to realize that that was you who she promised it to, and fix it. If she makes an excuse, then you go with the flow, relax and just know that you aren't going to repeat. No need to make a big fuss or make your situation worse. But she will know by the fact that you brought it up that she had the opportunity to fix it and chose not to. To maximize your encounters, when you are there for the very first time and the sp offers you the opportunity to freshen up, you do it. If there is mouthwash available, you use it. You never ever say no thanks, I'm good, no matter if you are still damp from the shower before arrival. Most sps will take your lack of acceptance as a reason to keep their distance. No hand washing = no digits and limited touching. No mouth rinse = light kissing, or avoidance, and probably no daty. You get the picture. Also you are trying to replace a reg. Your expectations may be out of whack, trying to replicate something that evolved over time and comfort. There is no way to be completely relaxed on a first visit, no matter how good the sp is. The only way to come close to this level is to find someone you are willing to work with to get to that place. On first visits she has to wonder is he going to be a problem, has he shortchanged me, is he too rough.

Exactly. I have seen hot young guys who stink, and whose attitudes stink. I could care less what they look like, or how great they think they are, that crap oozes of of them which makes them really unattractive. Usually my screening weeds thru this, but there is the odd one who will suggest that it must be pretty nice for me (older) to see a young guy like them (as tho the majority of the people I see are necessarily not younger than me). Since I was 15, younger guys have been following me around -- it is the older guys I have trouble with lol. Clean, smiles, and happy to be here -- there is nothing more attractive than that. No chiseled abs or great hair is ever going to replace that. :smile: Excepting for the clean part (not always able to control that lol), my experience and opinion is that over 90% ove the people I see are extremely attractive. They have to be attractive on first contact in order for me to see them: polite, nice, interested, not arrogant, not pushy, not rude. From there it is all good.

Thanks for posting this. Very important info, since we here see time and time again the case against decriminalization of our legal prostitution is all about trafficking, (and pimps and so on). On rabble.ca these facts are presented time and time again, and still the debators will pull numbers out of their collective asses in order to force the issue to be about myths about sex work, and not about the reality. susan davis posted there about a lie in a newspaper story that claims that she is promoting an Olympic brothel in Vancouver. Within the same thread someone actually quotes the story and tries to tell us that yes she did say she wants a brothel opened up specifically for the Olympics. She stated categorically that that is NOT what she said, she was misquoted and the story was a deliberate lie, yet these people actually quote from the article to tell her what she said. OMG, that is too much. The story you posted with the real facts will be quoted by these abolitionists ONLY showing that 25,000 number and ignoring everything else and use it to prove that prostitution is evil.

I am going to try to do a poll. I would like sps only to answer, and just indicate at what age were they when they had their very first sp client. There is an under 18 option because although illegal, it is still necessary to help debunk the myth that the majority of us started at 15, which is obviously untrue. Here we go.

Thanks, Wrinkled :D I think the main focus of the challenge is that the laws don't work the way they are supposed to. They have been around for 25 years, but it would be interesting to see how many people have actually been arrested, charged and convicted of living off the avails. I guess the main thing is that the accompanying laws do more harm than good. Even living off the avails does more harm, since the reality translates to: sps cannot legally hire driver/security, cannot live/work from home, cannot share their workspace if independent, if they do work from home they cannot live with their children or SOs since those people would be living off the avails. Same goes for any family member, or friend for that matter. One recent court charges are specifically charging the son of an adult sex worker for living off the avails because he still lives at home and she has been charged with running a bawdy house since she worked from there and provided a safe place for other sps to work. I think the New Zealand approach has covered a lot of ifs, ands or buts. They seem to have a regulation or law that addresses every argument against the legalization and regulation of prostitution and I am glad that the studies have shown that it is a success. Far greater success at keeping everyone safe than the Swedish example, that's for sure.