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Yep, that is my number one POV about anyone asking for bbfs ... that they have something and deliberately want to spread it around. Maybe it is revenge cuz they blame a woman for giving it to them, or whatever vengeful idiocy, but here is a warning for those who do this for that reason: You can be charged with ASSAULT if you knowingly and willfully engage in bbfs with someone when you have HIV/AIDS or other stds. There are very public cases of men who have AIDS who know that they have it and deliberately have unsafe sex with partners. Some women have died, these men have been charged. And that was with casual partners or setting up these women as if they were their gfs. A significant number of board members from various boards threaten, coerce and blackmail (or try to) to get favours from escorts either with a promise of a good review or the threat of a bad one. Fortunately, cerb members have less power with this kind of threat due to the nature of this board. Exposure is the surest and swiftest way to deal with these kinds of lowlifes. Another warning to these guys: this information IS SHARED all over the place, on other boards in private areas, in public Neighbourhood watch sections, in threads and posts and so on. You will be exposed, to the people who it affects the most. One day you will approach someone who you really should not have and your a** will be toast. :twisted::twisted:

These are examples of emails I do not reply to: Basically, if I was only available by email (I am actually only available by phone, and recommend that no one email if they want a quick reply, pics, or rates via email), I would still not reply to either of these. The ladies who only take emails will screen them and only reply to those that look like good matches. If the email requests something she doesn't do, and that is on her site, she won't reply. There are several reasons, but I think also if the lady doesn't reply to a polite and descriptive email, then you just need to not waste your time.

Some things come to mind: 1. Make sure that you are not just using sps from the East. If you need a West Coast sp, there are a few who travel out there. Touring sps and Vancouver or Edmonton sps are quite different from Toronto, Ottawa and especially Montreal. Their concerns are quite different as it is easier for them to work independently (Vancouver), licensed in mps (Edmonton), and so on. 2. And back to that, find someone who only tours, like Victoria Jolie, or specializes in longer arrangements or traveling engagements like Classy Angel. This would be a great POV that I have not seen in docs before. 3. Check out someone who has worked all aspects of the trade, like susi (Sue Davis) and is an advocate for change and spokesperson as well. This woman has worked in this business continuously for over 20 years, both indoor and outdoor work. 4. Make sure you see the other documentary and all the stories as well. I think there is some info in the Scarletts House website, as Scarlett is part of that documentary from a few years ago. 5. Mature sps, those who chose to do this work later in life come at it from a different perspective. The difference between starting with an agency or starting independent. Interesting stories. 6. You can expect someone who agrees to do it to change their mind lol. You might want to get info from more than 4. You might want to do a web series, instead or as well as a documentary. I find it fascinating that there are so many new "TV" shows that are actually webshows, and this could be a really exciting avenue for this topic. cheers

You can never go wrong with food. I would be happier with a cappucino or latte than a bottle of wine or perfume; candles cuz they are always used, and food of any type lol. I think some websites have gift lists for 2 reasons: it was in the template and the sp figured she had to put something in there rather than delete it altogether, OR to prevent someone bringing items that she cannot use (allergies, preferences, etc) Once she realizes that clients may like to bring gifts, it is easier to make a list than to be asked and feel like you are "asking" for one lol. I always say no thanks when someone asks, makes it simple. Flowers and chocolates are always appreciated if someone doesn't ask but brings something. Wine is a waste, as I don't drink (& don't allow drinking as it inhibits not enhances) so that just makes it awkward. I don't feel that gifts are necessary, nor should they be expected, and I don't think anyone should feel that they have to bring one just because you see a list on a website or get the impression that you are "doing it wrong" if you don't. Especially for sessions that are an hour or less lol. If you are on a dinner date 2-4 hour sort of experience, then a nice gesture makes it even more date like, but if you aren't sure you can always stick with things that don't last forever, like flowers, food, etc.

I totally agree. The only time I mention to someone that they are larger is when I am trying to squeeze them into an XL condom lol. If they are not above average, I wouldn't tell them they are. If their skin is particularly smooth and silky or nicely shaped, etc, I would mention it. I am not an overly effusive person; I limit my compliments to real compliments and do not overembellish as I too do not want to hear fakery. If more than one person is saying the same thing, take it as a compliment and as true, too. If I meet up with someone with little experience, not used to condoms, etc, and they are well above average in size, part of why I would mention something is to let them know that when they buy condoms for themselves, to make sure they get large sizes, to make sure any sps they visit have larger sizes too.

I agree 1000% with this and your earlier post. In fact, I have never had nor heard of any client assuming that he can just show up and I am quite surprised by Tracy's post. Maybe it is because we are more daytime, older, good screening methods, but I cannot imagine allowing anyone to see me who would assume that he could just knock anytime. I also am in contact with 50-100 other sps over the last couple of years and not one has ever reported such a thing happening to them even once, let alone multiple times. :shock: IMO, it has a great deal to do with how you present yourself too. The style, where and what time of day you advertise, what info you give out, who you see, and so on. Probably the best way to eliminate drop bys is using a phone#. There can't be any excuse for someone showing up if they have a phone number that they can call, but I can see they would use not being able to email as an excuse for knocking on the door.

There are a few things to watch out for, but worry about clients who have your address info and drop bys are certainly not any of them lol. Similar to above, I have been working incalls from home for 8 years and nothing untoward has ever happened. I do not require references, I do accept block calls and payphone calls with zero incidents. However, I require phone conversation to screen my visitors and do not see just anyone who calls. You limit the address info that you provide. Cross streets first, then building address, then buzzer (good if you have a door camera) when they are at the building and apt # when they have buzzed. This discourages address collectors. Address collectors are not the sort of problem you would think they are, btw, since they don't get your apt or buzzer it is not too much to be concerned about. Houses and townhouses would be a mistake. Your neighbours will notice short term visitors and suspect drug dealing. You do not want to draw attention to yourself. Apartments, especially high rises, with working residents work the best. These folks tend to be out during the day so will not notice traffic. Never ever go down to greet people in the lobby. So do not choose a building with a concierge or access only. Cannot believe the number of reviews I have read where the same sp or guy goes to meet clients in the lobby and bring them to the apt. Do that 6-10 times a day 7 days a week and see if someone doesn't notice lol. If you do choose to work from home, never tell anyone that you live there. It is just where you work. 2 bedrooms are best cuz you just have the room all set up and ready to go; and since you are already there, last minute appts are really easy to set up. You can easily see 7-10 people a week, if you want, without anyone really noticing, provided you balance the days and time appropriately. When you choose an apt keep in mind how far you are from stairs and elevator, what sort of entry system is out front (speakers are bad; phone style is good), parking, ask about neighbours to see if there are any retired folks who will be home all day, or if they are M-F day time working people. Block off with screens or curtains any private areas; use the room that is closest to the front door. Using the main bedroom if it has an ensuite is ideal. They have no business looking into or having access to the other areas of the apartment. If you are in a 2 bedroom, the cats can stay in the other room if necessary.

1. Considering the # of people who rarely if ever get tested, I cannot quite see that being able to count on one hand the # of people you know that have not ever had an STD lol A whopping 30% of teenagers have contracted an std thru sexual contact. These are the ones with symptoms or with symptoms who got tested. Who knows what the real #s are. It is hard to believe the number of people you know who have or had one is so very low. 2. As we all know now, thanks to Bill Clinton, "sex" is not just intercourse. Unprotected sex does not just mean bbfs, but also includes bbbjs. The risk is not negligible with bbbjs for the receiver (usually female, usually the sp) and should be taken into consideration when an sp does not offer bbbjs, she should be applauded not avoided, imo. 3. HIV and herpes are only 2 sexually transmitted diseases. There are many more, each of them easy to get, pass on, and keep for years if you do not get tested. Google syphilis, gonorrhea, and chlamydia, just for fun. Guaranteed, chlamydia in the throat is not a joke. :bjs::bjs: 2.

You will learn an awful lot by being part of this site. Just browse thru the posts in the general discussion areas, the advertisements and the reviews. The advertisements give you a good idea of how to properly, honestly, and professionally present yourself and your services. Don't let yourself be swayed by the CL style of posting-- there is no need for you to post ads that look like anyone elses (using ALL CAPS, or poor spelling and grammar, etc) In fact, you can make yours stand out from the crowds by emulating a more professional looking ad such as the ones you see here and posting it on CL, or posting ads here when you can. (But be very careful not to copy and paste someone else's lol, they will find out lol) The reviews give you even more ideas on how to set up appts, keep appts, keep things running smoothly and safely, being on time, providing what you advertise, keeping safe, making sure you receive payment for services, and what restrictions are overall acceptable to clients (like doing covered bjs are perfectly acceptable, for example, you don't have to do anything unsafe), what clients expect, and what they wish to avoid, and so on. Take the time to read what has gone on before, and strive not to make the mistakes others have made, and you can do very well. The bottom line is be honest in what you offer, be up front about what you charge, and during the session, provide what you have promised, and that is all you need to do, as long as you do it with a smile lol.

My first thought here was do you know for sure or just assuming that she is talking about calling a female escort, not a male one? :boobeyes::boobeyes: If so, then the very best thing to do is to search the escort listings sites together, read the ads, see the pics, look at the websites. You will get a much better idea of what she is interested in, the searching will be fun, and the anticipation will make everything much more fun. There should never be any question of you going ahead and just doing it. At this point you can't really be 1000% certain she really does want to, but I bet that looking at the ads, and the reviews any sp includes on her site, will be extremely appealing. If she wasn't sure before, she most likely will be by the end of a couple of hours of a searching lol. Women sometimes need more time to think things over, but also the building up of anticipation, finding out how everything works, will heighten the thrill.

All great points. I say, if you are using an agency, don't blame the sp. If she is far from who you expected, call the agency immediately while she is there. Have the conversation with them in her presence, so she knows and they know what is going on. Also, if she is attractive to you (and also the right girl) clear up the rates and restrictions with her directly. Chances are the agency has misrepresented her services and their rates. Don't assume she knows what you have been promised by the booker. Again, if these promises are not what she does, call them up and let them know while the sp is there. She has a right to know how they are marketing her, because she is the one on the front lines, defending herself or possibly getting stuck in a very awkward or potentially dangerous situation. If she is attractive, nice, etc, get her number and get her to go indy lol. If you are willing to pay for her time the agency rates, I am sure she would be pleasantly surprised by the opportunity to set up her own appt with you at a rate that is between theirs and what she pockets lol. So if you pay 300, and she is getting 200, settle on 250 for private arrangements lol. And please remember, with agency sps, that altho you are paying top $$$, that is nowhere near what she gets after agency fee, driver fee, and miscellaneous expenses that the agency will fine her for. Some agency sps end up owing money, if the agency is disreputable or she can't make her schedule. One of the mps in Van charges the client 320 for incalls. The sps are almost all supermodel looks, 20-25, generous services, etc. Independently, they would charge 300-400 per hour easily (high end Van rates). At this mp, they take home 200. You pay for 300/hr service, and may get 200/hr service and attitude simply because that is what she takes home. It can make a difference.

I agree. I was suspicious that the defense lawyer was actually trying to get the jury to find his client guilty. There could be no great reason for such language, if he wanted to get the sympathy of the jury that was a bloody odd way of going about it. The jury was left with being linked with such outdated views as "blame the victim" which by this time the majority of thinking is that is wrong. No matter what position the victim was in, it is now generally believed (at least out loud) that no one can emphatically state it is okay to blame the victim.

Quite right. It was an awesome idea to not take an sp. This was a fun lady who appreciated the vacation and did her best to get along and make it a good time for both of you. (An experienced sp would have done the same if it had been a paid engagement, but choosing non-sps is a great alternative. Just don't try to get an sp to do the same for no $, as that is her job lol). This sounds like someone you could easily invite again for another adventure!

This is a really old thread but the bottom line here is that there were expectations on the OP's part that would not have been a problem if this whole thing had been approached professionally and not emotionally. Sps should not agree to all expenses paid vacations with clients. They should simply have a traveling rate worked out, similar to their over night or dinner engagement policies. Some traveling sps require a separate room, certainly all of them require a daily rate, not just covering expenses or buying gifts and dinner. Being "friendly" and hanging out with sps also makes things messy. If this particular sp had behaved in a professional manner, Poker never would have felt slighted or misled. Since the OP was not compensating her for her time, he really had to take what she offered, the same as any other woman he might have taken for a trip. Paying her for her time, setting up the groundrules as outlined by PP22, there already would have been time for herself set aside to do as she pleased, she would have had a certain income from him already so seeing other clients would be unnecessary. It is lost income, sps do not get vacation pay. That is why professional sps have daily rates to cover these potential earnings lost when they go on a traveling engagement. Just because she is an sp doesn't mean she is expected to be there when he thinks she should be if she is not being paid on this trip.

This gave me a chuckle, but only cuz I totally agree. In the past, there was only description. You had to get a sense of her personality first, and make your decision that way. Chances are that she is going to be attractive, to be in this biz for a while you really need to not be scary looking. The decision would be based on what she said and how she said it, the decision to return would be based on her looks, plus that she provided what she said she would in a way that worked for you. In the end, this is a far better way to make a decision than a photograph.. Plus some lovely people do not photograph well, others take great pics but are relatively ordinary. And the more pics available, it seems like the clients out there get greedy for more. Now the demands are for face pics, or no appt. Ladies, it is not worth your privacy and discretion to provide face pics in your ads or thru emails just to book an appt. Mod's right about the overwhelming number of fake pics used by CL Vancouver's asian micros. It has now become the norm that the pics and ages are fake, you assume that to be the case, but the price/service combo is directly related to the fakeness. So if she is advertised as 25, you know she is almost 40 and the price will be not more than 120/45 min of PSE style msog, bbbj, dfk, and rimming. It is the price you pay for wanting a cheap date with the works. The poor fellas of Edmonton are not used to this and are still shocked and surprised that there would be such big discrepancies in what is advertised and what is actually available when they show up lol.

I agree with this POV. Think of things that are light, maybe stuff you would talk about to a co-worker. I am guessing you wouldn't ask how long they've been doing this, or what did they do before, but might stick to lightweight topics like popular movies, TV and favourite foods. The weather. Public transportation. Traffic. The price of gas. There are a lot of things to chat about during a massage. It doesn't have to be sexy time, but it could be. It needn't be intrusive, that might make her uncomfortable. And it can be a nice change from the guys who ask "what got you started in this biz", cuz that is not necessarily something she wants to discuss with a stranger. I don't think any of these things should be mentioned: Excepting hobbies or interests. You shouldn't be telling her a lot about yourself, but you can say what sort of work you do. If you hang glide or play parcheesi is also good. That you are a pilot for Air Canada, is not good. Be discrete, and expect her to be the same. Don't ask where she is from, where she went to school, how long she's been doing this, etc. It implies that she would be doing something else if she could be, I think. I think this list was bad advice, tho I know the OP found it on another site. It explains a lot, tho, about some questions I get regularly lol. I think if you stick with current events, at least she won't be hearing the same old questions again and again. That will make you stand out, and be a preferred repeat customer.

You can use as a plan B an sp who does not require advance notice or who only books appts with a shorter lead time. Plus, you can make it easier by having your plan A at an early enough time that you can put plan B into action. Sometimes a client has a certain day or amount of time available to him for this activity, so waiting for another day does not always work. But no you don't want to book two appts for the same day and time "just in case", then end up cancelling one with very short notice. That may backfire, cuz I assume plan B may be another day's plan A lol.

If it is a very extreme outfit, one could simply choose to see an sp who already has it, imo. Something like all leather, all latex, all rubber, etc. If he is a regular, she would be more inclined to provide the outfit on her own, but if he is a regular he may feel inclined to bring it as a gift (or perhaps, being shy, just a gift card for the necessary store). It is possible the reluctance to buy it first is due to not wanting to go into a lingerie shop, unsure of sizing, etc, but if it is really outside of what she has, or would have, it is really up to him to provide it. I feel the same way about special toys. I would prefer if someone likes one used, to bring it himself. That way he knows it is right for him, plus it will never be used on anyone else. He brings it, then takes it takes it with him when he leaves. If he visits anyone else, he will always have it, as well.

You did your best to accomodate him, and he chose to not keep in touch with you, not follow the directions, not use a map to help him with directions, not ask for directions, not go to the appropriate payphone to call you in the first place, and so on. I think you were very gracious to believe him that he was unable to find the correct location for the payphone, but seriously he should have called before 9pm at his first opportunity if he knew he wasn't finding that particular payphone. I don't find payphone or blocked # callers any more or less likely to show up than any other caller. It is remarkable the number of people who call unblocked who choose to no-show, but that just makes it easier to avoid them in the future. The biggest issue I have with the payphone and block guys is that if anything goes wrong, you can't keep in touch with them. If they get lost and can't find another payphone, they can often take 45 minutes to find your address when you know they were only 10 minutes away lol. I have lots of great clients who have block # and have to use payphones, but the first appt set up is always a gamble. Well, just as it is for every other type of caller :-D I guess I just keep them under a stricter set of rules: call at this time, show up by that time, go to this location to call if lost, if you don't I consider you a no show by X:00 and you will have to re-schedule.

I have heard of this before, where the sp gets a weird vibe, etc, but imo that make it even MORE important that she pick up the phone, or text away, whatever to make that cancellation call. It is far worse to leave it hanging like that. In the end, he continues to try to book appts, she continues to try to avoid him. While this is never a great ending to any planned meeting, I usually manage to avoid it altogether by only allowing appts to be considered "confirmed" when the client is actually physically ready to come over, has spoken to me on the phone to say so, and we both agree that he should head on over lol. If we had spoken before, then I would give out part of the address. I always always assume he is not going to show up, as you can see. As much as many guys like to point out how "often" sps no show or cancel last minute on them, I can bet you real money that he doesn't get no showed on anywhere near as often as the majority of sps do the majority of the time. Even with final notice confirmation calls, guys still end up not showing up -- and I am in a nice building in a nice neighbourhood lol. If I counted all the guys who call either the day before, earlier in the day or right at 12:30 and tell me positively absolutely they are coming by at 1pm today, I can honestly say that I get at least one no show, no cancellation call, client each and every day, if not more. :!:

I agree and also would like to add: You WILL have to talk to her eventually, when you meet face to face. Wouldn't you like a pretty basic idea of what that is going to be like BEFORE that happens lol. :boobies:

This really stands out, because I would honestly say that a very very small portion of visitors do not look directly at me, and those individuals are so shy and nervous that it is not insulting but endearing. The anti-prostitution camp seem to have one POV, and it is one that could only exist if the sps have zero power or control over their own situation and that clients are not human beings. Since neither of those statements is true, then the anti-camp is spreading malicious untruths about the industry, the workers and the customers. note: re: anita's example, that reviewer as crude as he is, actually exhibits a great deal of honest admiration for women than a lot of more "tasteful" writers on those review boards do. Dripping condescension, blatant lies, disrespect, rude comments about age or shapes even tho the reviewer deliberately chooses to see an sp with clear pictures & description making it clear they went solely in order to degrade her during the appt then afterwards with a nasty review. There is one recent one on the big board who saw a bbw, then called her a fat pig over and over in the post; same guy saw another & revelled in making her cry, & cut the appt short due to her discomfort. That guy makes the example above look like a knight in shining armour, imo. He can narrow down to body parts; but at the end of the date, she has had a safe date and that cannot be taken lightly, I'm sure. Oh, don't get me started lol. But no worries; I stomp all over that bs. I've been harrassed and trashed myself, and have no intention of letting anyone do it to any other sp without question (altho time limits restrict me to only 2-3 other boards).

You don't have to offer it, advertise it, or suggest it during appts. Someone will ask if you do it if they are looking for it, which gives you the opportunity to try it out. This is a person who is either experienced with it and can show you the ropes, or curious about it and willing to fumble along with you. Either of these two scenarios will work fine for you. You cannot learn everything from a book lol, this is definitely one of those hands on things. Someone very experienced will enjoy a dildo, someone inexperienced will stop at one finger. You wear a glove if you use your hands, because your nails are not friendly to delicate skin, and lots of lubrication. Ideally you would instead use a smaller toy, and have various sizes, rather than your hand. They have blunt tips and it is actually quite awkward to insert a finger lol. Someone more experienced may bring their own toys. Toys are always covered with condoms of course. Don't agree to do it unless the client is prepared, well scrubbed and confidently clean inside and out. Otherwise he might be embarrassed by the after effects.

I would say you take more care with the sp less that that you are making sure that you take less care with the non-sps, if you know what I mean? If you arrive unkempt, unshowered, less than at your best, then you will not seem as appealing for a long term relationship lol. With an sp, you know that the opposite will improve your mileage, so it is in best interest to be fresher. With a non-sp, it is not in your best interest to look like a great catch. A fun friend with benefits yes, but not a great catch. I think you already know that even "booty" calls come with strings if you want to make sure you stay on their list. With an sp, all you need to do is show up on time and with a good attitude, you call at 9pm, arrive 9:30, leave at 10:30 and she actually does not want you to call her in the morning. It is the ultimate nsa.

Sometimes there are factors quite unknown to the caller that affect the rates; he tends to think that because someone else charges 250 and you charge 300 you should also charge 250. You, however, may have to pay 100 for your incall, whereas she pays nothing or 40-50 for her space. You may have a driver/security at a higher rate, whereas she is doing an incall or has no driver. There are many such things, including setting rates that specifically relate to the quality of the experience and to separate oneself into that specific category of clients. There is a member of the other west coast boards who got himself blacklisted for continuously trying to rate negotiate. On one day he pmed 2 different sps who have two different half hour rates. His offer reduced both their respective rates by 20-25 less than their hh rate, citing lack of funds. However, one of the ladies rates is 25 more than the other. So he was able to pay her 125, but only had 100 for the other sp? That is the value of sharing info in the private areas, that's for sure. This can be discussed amongst the escorts, rather than thru pms which don't access as many people. Everyone now knows to avoid this individual (there are other things, such as pushing boundaries and repeated talking about bbfs that added to this list, but rate reduction is the MO)