Ryo83

I will tell you from first hand experience that a lot of those websites are definitely NOT worth the time, effort, or paid memberships. First off, any site (to do with sex) that promises results and a free membership is only telling you part of the story. First, you can sign up for free, and navigate the site for free. Second, you cannot communicate with other users on the site, unless you pay for your membership (sometimes with the exception that you can reply to a paid member if they contacted you first) and these memberships are often far from cheap. Third, a lot of "reputable" sites that offer free sex with its other members, are oftem plump with profiles that are inactive (but not removed or marked inactive), as more visible profiles brings more initial appeal to potential users. There are even a few of these sites out there that purposely have many fake profiles of "members" for you to chase after and be disappointed with (they never respond). Overall, after paying for a membership and not seeing results, or finding results with someone there who expects more fees, you would have just been better off to save all of that time, effort and money to just see a reputable SP. I know sometimes you wanna get out there and find something a little different or unusual. In this case, these types of sites are not my recommendation. Even looking on POF for a "cheap" girl is not a great idea... as she'll probably want you to buy her dinner and then get her drunk in some public drunk zone <shudder>. This sort of thing can even be more expensive than visiting an SP. Just my 2 dollars and 43 cents.

In my honest opinion, I believe that recommending CL ladies is a good service done by not enough CERB members. It's really quite simple: This is a board for recommending ladies SPs to other potential clients. No where has it been said that CERB should only recommended CERB members. Afterall, this is an open board that anyone can join.. recommending a good SP from CL might encourage the SP to join CERB! Also, look at this very likely scenario; You are looking for an SP. You currently have a busy/chaotic schedule that makes it difficult to plan time in advance with an SP so you frequently have to call for short-notice bookings. At the moment, your favourite SP is not available. You look on CERB and there are a few good ladies who have posts up advertising their availability but you really don't feel like driving from Kanata to Orleans, or vice versa, etc... You decide to look on CL because there are some good SPs who use CL regularly (some who are ALSO CERB members). In this case CL is the easiest and most convenient source of SPs who are advertising "NOW" availability in different areas of the city. This is often the most convenient option, at least for me. The only catch to using CL regularly to find SPs is that you have to learn how to be wise with it. If an SP is offering FS for an hour at $80, it's probably too good to be true. The same goes if her picture looks like it was taken from the front of a magazine, DVD cover or if the picture has watermarks from a website, etc... The Cowboy's Diary is a priceless tool for those who want to use CL and not have bad experiences. Experience is a big part too. Anyway, I say we should all promote CL as well as CERB as there are good SPs on the dark side (CL) as well who deserve just as much praise as any CERB SP. If someone asks for info on a CL SP, I will gladly share my experiences with that person if i know anything on the subject.

I'm 27 and at least like to think that I'm good looking, lol! My point is, I would never use my age or anything else for that matter as a means of trying to see an SP for free. For me it comes down to respect. If an SP is offering a service for a given price, and you negotiate that price, it's like telling her to her face that she's not worth what she's asking. If you want her service for free, you're telling her that she's worth nothing in your eyes. That's just low and conceited of you to think that you deserve for free what others are willingly paying for. Also, I would never expect to develop a relationship with an SP. I have never developed a relationship (other than professional/friendly) with an SP. If you are referring to romantic relationships, then that sort of thing can't be predicted. It either happens out of the blue simply because it would work, or it doesn't happen at all. just my 2 cents.

This is exactly what I do 99% of the time.

if you're looking for a budget vacation, Cuba and the Dominican are great warm atmospheres. If you're willing to spend a bit more, I suggest Germany if you like to gaze at very old impressive architecture like Old Cathedrals, etc.. Also, I would recommend Rome and Greece. But I'm a history nut, if you couldn't already tell.

for obvious reasons I won't say where this meeting was (though it was not in Ottawa) and it was a couple of years ago. If anyone wants more details, PM me. Though I'm not even sure if she still works anymore... She is not on CERB and her website looks as though it has gone under. But still, I was only using it as an example. :)

Unfortunately, I think it's just you. I can navigate to it through the forum. I can also find it through my profile's Ryo83 posts. Either way I see all the posts contained in the thread. Don't know how to help you :( Sorry!

Thank you for some insights, ladies. You are obviously some of the nicer ladies around, because from a hobbiest point of view, there have been 3 or so instances where I could not find info on an SP's rates/etiquettes anywhere. This resulted in me asking them via email/phone (case by case basis). For these 3 or so cases, I had received various negative responses telling me that it's rude to ask about rates (as if I'm supposed to know how much to bring... I've seen women who ask $100 and have also seen women who ask more than $400/hr. Hobbiests can't be expected to pull and ABM out of their arse if they didn't bring enough) In one case that I hope to never experience again, I had asked about a lady's rates. She replied that she will only discuss that in person. I went along and we met up at a Second Cup to discuss our date. She then said she'd only discuss rates out of the public eye (understandable). At the END of our two hour venture, she requested $1,200. I was quite disturbed as I know it's inappropriate to haggle rates. But expecting a client to pull that kind of cash out of his arse with no prior notice just seems wrong to me. Also, the SP shouldn't have to watch the client leave to go to an ABM to scrounge up the difference between the $500 he brought and the $1,200 she requested. Am I not seeing something? Am I in the wrong in some way? I am not clairvoyant and don't think that the situation was dealt with professionally by the SP. This is in no way a general reflection on the majority of SPs as this only happened to me one time. But it makes a good example of some of the cases that can discourage clients from SPs who do not show upfront information. Some ladies don't mind being asked about rates, some do. Some are seemingly offended by it. I am not willing to take the risk of offending one of the wonderful ladies, as I don't yet know if she is the best SP I've yet to meet! :) Additional Comments: I'm sorry if i went a bit off-topic, but the independent ladies out there are basically running their own business. The clients are the customers and should be treated as though they are valued. So they should be informed of the services to be rendered, costs, conditions, etc.. It goes both ways. The Customer should show appreciation to the SP as well. I am aware that i may sound like a bit of a jerk at the moment. I could supply a few references from some of the wonderful ladies on CERB to say otherwise, but I am just hoping that 1 or two of the SPs out there (you know who you are) read this and understand that hobbiests face obstacles just the same as the SPs do and that not all hobbiests are just "Johns" with cash to be sent out the door ASAP. Client/SP relationships should be developed and nurtured, and be left allowed to prosper. This may sound like old news to a lot of you ladies, but there are some ladies out there who don't seem to understand this. Sorry for such a long blurb :P

Most reputable ladies don't like to be asked about their rates, especially when they have their rates on their ad/website. One thing to NEVER do is ask if rates can be lowered. I will admit, though, a personal pet peeve of mine: Ladies whose rates are nowhere to be found. There have been some ladies that I have REALLY wanted to contact in one form or another to set up a date to meet. However, I have been deterred quite a few times because they either don't have a website, or their website does not include info about rates. Now, don't get me wrong... I'm not trying to sound cheap, as there are times I will "splurge" and spend 2 or more hours with one of the ladies that I feel very comfortable with. However, I have learned over time that most of the ladies do not like to discuss rates. From my point of view, it is not fun to contact a woman who has no advertised rate because I would have to ask her about it. Also, it is not fun to make a rendezvous with a lady without asking her rates because there are some ladies who charge a lot more than other ladies. Quite frankly, I do not have as much disposable income as some of the other hobbiests may have so I need to be able to fit a lady's rates into my budget. I will use Belle Bordeaux's website (I hope she doesn't mind) as a perfect example of how a lady might take care of the business portion of a meeting before it even begins. She has a display of multiple options/times for rates and also requests that hobbiests have it in an unsealed envelope and that they place it on the coffee table upon entering her incall location. This leaves no questions to be asked regarding the business (the least fun part) portion of the meeting. Secondly, I would not ask a lady to "forget" about one or more of her restrictions. Being a guy that's also on the shy-side, I just try to ask very simple yet open questions that can let the SP do more of the talking (nice day/weather, how was your weekend, etc etc). This way you also get to learn more, faster, about the SP. I feel that letting the SP do more of the talking helps me feel more comfortable with the SP as I learn more and more about her, which opens up more of my options to converse about myself, if asked. At first, if asked a question, I can tend to give very short answers that may seem to leave the inquirer unsatisfied. I'm sure most other shy-guys can relate. Ladies, PLEASE do not take this as an insult! :)

There's "Shy". She's not very shy. IMHO she's one of the better SPs I've met. She's carribean (Hatian). She's very nice, easy to talk to and provides great service!

I don't remember which agency it was for, but I know that picture as (formerly) Vayda. I agree fully with the reco, she is very cute and skilled!

I saw this earlier this morning and just thought to share it with some of you. http://pleated-jeans.com/2010/08/19/2-retro-cereals-that-were-awesome/

My all-time favourite theme song was from an old TV series called "Tour of Duty" The theme song was "Paint it black" while it was still on TV. After releasing the DVD more recently, they had licensing issues and changed the theme song to some random elevator music.

I beg to differ.... According to the pic on the CL ad for this Brianna (near baseline) she looks NOTHING like the brianna that occasionally works for PK. I have first hand experience with Brianna from PK and that is DEFINITELY not her.

Belle is an absolutely fantastic SP that I plan to visit again in the near future. I paid her a visit today, after exchanging emails for a day or so. She is very easy to communicate with via email and over the phone. In person you will be delighted by her friendly, bubbly charm and adorable eyes! She has a very cute face and an immaculate, flawless bottom! Belle has talent in the business and definitely has some bragging rights!!! I won't get into (sticky) details but I left the appointment (incall) with a smile on my face that lasted longer than the car ride home, and I live on the opposite side of the city! A big THANK YOU to Belle for providing excellent service that is unparalleled in my experience so far! :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

This has happened to me! Believe me, Ladies, you're not the only one disappointed when this can happen!!!

IMO it's the woman that makes all the difference. The location isn't very important as long as it isn't a dive that could make someone feel uncomfortable or unclean.

Today I paid a visit to Luxie. I absolutely loved her albums on CERB and so I decided to see the real deal. She is very friendly and is a good conversationalist. I think it helped that we discovered that we're both from the same hometown. Luxie is happy to please and and be pleased! She works in a comfortable downtown location where she will use her very large natural breasts to her advantage in seducing you. She also has cute outfits ;) All in all, I had a great experience and definitely plan to repeat!

This reco is a little late, I apologize for that, but better late than never! Layla was a great experience. Booking with PK is always easy and Layla was more than accomodating. She is very friendly and smiley. She is cute and petite and can really give a great PSE! Very energetic and enthusiastic, Layla blew my mind by not only agreeing to whatever I requested, but doing it without hesitation or any real discussion. Her PSE is something to be remembered especially because she is so friendly and cute that it feels like a GFE at the same time. She also looks great in lingerie! ;) Overall, I had a great time and plan to repeat soon!

personally, my fave is the schoolgirl outfit, hands down! Though I am also very into a secretary or librarian type as well as the french maid and nurse... oh so many options!!! *drool*

I have visited her, though it has been some months since my last visit. This reminds me though that I will have to see her again soon!!! She was with PK when I saw her last and she was definitely a good time. She's definitely a great girl who would be worth having as a regular!

For starters... one of the complaints I hear about the most while making small talk with SPs (in regards to OTHER clients) is first-time-visitors that don't take the time to read the whole website/ad etc... and ask questions that could have been avoidable, the number one question being rates. Some of the high class ladies (salutations to those of you I have met ;) ) prefer not to talk about rates AT ALL. TBH neither do I. The business part of a visit is the least fun. If a lady appears to be worth your time visiting, give her the respect and do your own research! my two cents :)

bah! I will be out of town :(