BownChickaBown

You said it! That's exactly what happened :-) Unsure how some got so confused and upset. :? Carpe Peaciem Everyone! ;)

I am not sure where you did your research or got your numbers from Pete, but from this thread (with PMs, emails and phonecalls), the market at large has responded (as predicted) with rates ranging from: 2.5 hour 'movie cuddle time' from $200 to $300 2.5 hours of 'topless snuggle time' from $300 to $400 A common thread between most supportive comments have been that Carrie does not speak for them, and is not their 'Defendor' of the Industry. No one was 'new' to the business and everyone understood the discussion and (for the most part) have already been doing similar services. No negotiations or manipulation involved. It was found to be unfortunate that a small number of people toxified the thread to pursue their personal agendas, and made it unhealthy for members looking to contribute positively to the community without being unduly attacked and slandered, such as was the case here and elsewhere. Despite such attempts, the point was proven - Honest, Respectful Communication is Key. Thanks to all who make CERB a friendly and positive community to be a part of! :grin: Now I'm off to enjoy some hobbying once again. :bddog:

"CERB - A positive and friendly environment for unprejudiced adults - if you do not have anything nice to say, please say nothing at all." Unfortunately, as evidenced here and before, not everyone seems to agree. So, for those who keep mixing apples and oranges and having nothing positive to contribute, can you please just say nothing at all. There is a real difference between explicit defamation of character and slander in making false accusations (ie: lies) compared to a general statement of preference for 'mature professional ladies'. I understand, Not everyone gets it. But the 2 are so obviously not even close to the being the same, it makes one wonder where people get their ideas - even as perception is subjectively relative. So no need to spam CERB just for the sake of feeling the need to chime in on something that doesn't involve them. "when you react so vehemently to being called out it touches a very raw nerve!" . Carrie Moon This has nothing to do with being 'called out', as Carrie says - it has to do with dealing with classless unprofessional lies, which strikes a nerve with everyone I see it happen to here and elsewhere (like really thou - who likes liars lying about them?). I'm just surprised Carrie has shown herself to be this type of person. Such an insecure jealous outburst says a lot about the state of mind of a person, but there is no need to take out ones issues publicly on CERB (or anywhere public for that matter). If ones opinion has nothing positive to contribute to the topic at hand, then simply keep it to ones self. If one feels it necessary to start a thread about 'manipulation' - then go right ahead. But no need act like this.

It's obvious to me some people are only mixing apples with oranges and causing trouble, as enough people have PM'ed me with their rates and like-minded support for such a date. Keep saying 'social' time when I clarified the difference - go re-read my posts again and think about what is being said versus making presumptuous conclusions to anything. Irregardless of liking the subject matter, if it's not your thing, then don't do it (if you don't like BBBJ or Greek or 'Snuggling', then don't do it and don't advertise a different rate) - but don't try to speak for everyone and then try to slander people. Says a lot about who one really is, as actions speak louder than the words written on some peoples ads. To mention, there is 0% tolerance to slandering people here on CERB, which many people know and have expressed there dislike of before - and for someone to baselessly say I am 'indeed' 'manipulating' people is completely false and unnecessary. Like canuckhooker alluded to, I too find it funny how paying for time is mentioned but in my experience, some SPs have left after 'one service only' - 'my rate is for one service', and not stay for a full hour, even thou they only advertise temporal rates. So it's disingenuous to say it's only about time, as the market has shown otherwise to being open to charging different rates for different activities during whatever length of time one spends together doing said agreed upon actions. Time is just one factor, level of erotic service is another. I am sure when some MPs charge less for their 'time' than some SPs do - it's Not because they believe their time is worth any less, but rather they know they (the MP) are not providing the same level of erotic/sexual services. So, again, please do not try to speak for the whole industry, as I am well aware not everyone is the same (thank goodness, as variety is the spice of life). Still don't like the show? Then change the channel! ...but please don't try to turn CERB into one of those other much less professional forums I hear people always bemoaning. PS: Topless in Ontario is legal - so is it then a 'sexual service' to go topless? Maybe, maybe not so much, but what 2 consenting adults do is between them and their desire to do so. If someone wants to collect $250 an hour to go for a walk and hold hands - then more power to them. I'd be more than glad to pay such a rate to find a mature professional lady, as it's not easy from what I've seen. This incident doesn't deter me thou, as the journey will make the destination all that much more sweet :) Carpe Peaciem and Bon Voyage!

Well, this is an in-between of 'social' time and 'sexual' time, but to use the great word others have, its like 'sensual' time, thus the play on words for 'Snuggle Provider'. (Which is unlike someone who is strictly a MP (which I'll get to this later), as no massage would be required.) As an example, polite conversation while spooning topless, rub her belly and caress her arms, hips and legs, hold hands while kissing the nape of the neck between scenes of a movie and giggles, maybe at most touch a boob. Another service niche to the overall industry, like any other niche/fetish out there is they way I see it. No different than other items ladies list on their menus with varying price structures relative to the demand of the service. ...and asking about the scenario, rates and agreeing on time is what it's all about :smile: thus here I am. I would like to sincerely thank all the nice people who PMed with all their positive replies and support, rates and desires to enjoy similar company, and will get back to each and every one of you later this evening when I get back home, but for now, I have to address the very serious matter of below: I am very disappointed a veteran and respected member such as yourself (whom I have never met before, online or off) would so blatantly slander someone (me! :-( ) and make such unprovoked, unwarranted and untrue accusations. I am most definitely NOT looking to 'indeed' 'manipulate' anyone and find your remarks offensive to not only myself, but all men. (Is this how you view all men, whether you do business with them or not?) I find this sad and disturbing, and I hope the Moderator with review this and take the appropriate action to the Zero Tolerance CERB has demonstrated in keeping this forum a respectful community. (It even says below the title of this section 'No negative comments'.) I can say I have always paid 'honestly' the rate which a lady has requested for her company, which is not something I can say for all the people I have met since starting hobbying. I have had many people renege on negotiated services, time and rates, leaving rushed and without performing. (...but I don't paint everyone with the same brush as you have done here). Thus, my attempt here to get to know someone a bit first before sinking 1000s of dollars (which I have been known to do in 1 evening) into spending time with someone I will thoroughly enjoy as much as they honestly would too. (Is that too crazy?) Your pre-emptive attempt at trying to justify your slanderous comments (or as your called it, your 'opinion', vs. being any matter of fact) tells me you know, on some level, that you were projecting your defensiveness on me (for a negative experience you suffered elsewhere) for something you know I have never done (which is manipulate anyone). You may have me confused for someone else. While I too appreciate your concern for the ladies, I do not feel what you have done here helps make things any better for anyone. Please clarify your statement, as I would like to believe it was a momentary lapse of judgment which I do not believe is how you truly feel against me or all men - only trying to manipulate you (or at least, I'm Not! If starting this thread is seen as an attempt to manipulate you, then I am sorry, but you have mistaken the spirit and intent of my discussion). It is with a heavy-heart I even have to make such a reply as this, but feel I am forced to do so with your false and misleading defamation of my character. I know who I am, and what you describe is not me. If anything, I would like to solve this matter amicable, and let this serve as an example of making lemonade out of lemons by showing others this type of language on CERB is not appreciated nor desired nor tolerated, but can be overcome in a sensible way. If someone has truly 'manipulated' you, then there is a section for posting such warnings, and even for SPs - a private section you have the privilege of having just for yourselves. (I just hope statements as yours above are not the norm, but the rare exception to being a mistake.) I look forward to your hearing back from you at your convenience. Enjoy the rest of your day! PS: Telling jokes is one way I can find someone I like - what can I say, I like ladies with a sense of humour similar to mine ;) as I find laughter is the 2nd best medicine :-D PPS: To hijack this thread back on topic, Does anyone have any Movie Recos for such an occasion?

hehe, and nor who am I. Angela was referring to the 'CA-nadian' hard 'c', as thus I was too. Don't even get me started on the whole out/oot thing and how Aussies say 'Canadar' with a soft 'r' at the end. :razz: In the end, it's ALL good to me :-) Toe-mate-toe / Toe-matt-toe!

I follow the convention of 'serb' akin to the use of the 'c' in the word 'central' or 'sentral'. I wouldn't pronounce it 'suntral', with the 'cu' example you used for 'curb'.

Aside from having friends as SPs, are there any SPs whom are sisters, step-sisters even, both working in the business? (...and No - I don't mean in duo.) Just a question that popped into my head and I thought I would explore further. Quit possible something that isn't occurring, or kept discreet. Please feel free to PM with any info. :)

exactly :-) I've seen 'social' rates anywhere from $75 to $200/hr, depending on the lady. Some ads stating the rate is for coffee chat or bar intros. I've also seen $150 (and cheaper) for an hour of massage and a release (non oral), but I am talking a lot less 'work' than a massage for an hour. No release even involved, just some snuggles and a movie. Some ads have FS at $200 an hour, so I am not sure where this may land in terms of a price range, but I am sure competition would vary and the market would find a place for such a niche. Now, if she takes it to the bedroom, then I will charge my regular rate! :razz:

Well, I was also thinking, during these recessionary times and with the enjoyment in the variety of life (that is, not to always have to have sexual relations (I can't believe I just typed that :S)), it could fill time for SPs/clients whom don't have as full of a schedule as they may used to have. Maybe not make/spend as much, but something is better than nothing I guess. And as for myself, aside from hobbying the 'usual' way, I find there would be nights I would be just as happy chillin and chattin with a nice, interesting, alluring, sexy lady. Who knows, while in the market for a new regular, I may find someone really nice to establish a rapport with :) *takes another sip of wine* and cont... As I also think about this, for me, the biggest sex organ is the brain. Often an hour of 'foreplay' isn't long enough to get to know someone. Thus, I would like to get to know someone more first before maybe 'taking it to the next level'. Yes, sometimes on a hot n bothered day, a quick wham bam TYVM ma'am works, but not every day. Guys have feelin's too ya'know! :razz: lol ;)

Maybe this request is too 'soft' for CERB, but here goes... I am looking for a Snuggle Provider :oops: Do any ladies provide such a service, like a 2hour movie snuggle with some smootchin n giggles while whispering sweet nothings. Light stuff. (You know, sorta like when in HS.) Please feel free to PM me for more details, your rates, recos, knock-knock jokes or what-have-you. Not to say it's for tonight (which it could be), but something that can be planned for another evening. I look forward to seeing what the market has to say :) as I have never seen this advertised before *crosses-fingers* :-D

I am sure it won't be long before guys have to PPS (Pay Per Stroke) :-(

Salt Beef RULES!! :P (as much as Cabbage sucks!) ...but as an alternative, I prefer emu (it's like salt beef but without the fat). Cods tongues are yummy as well :)

I have eaten squid, seal, walrus blubber, gull eggs, porcupine, squirrel, black bear, camel, kangaroo, emu, ants, wild boar, snails and frogs, but the one thing I absolutely despise with a passion and every primordial ounce of my being is: Onions - Literally and Figuratively. Layer after layer, I HATE onions!! *puke my guts up emoticon*

Hey chevysrlemons Seems like you may need to TOFTT (Take One For The Town). Go on a date or 10 and posts some recos and feedback - inspire others to build upon the community. See if the Barrie market can grow. Tell local SPs about CERB and how friendly and beneficial it is for their business. Few months/years from now you may have a thriving Barrie forum. If not, then just lump it I guess. Good Luck!

With the World's Largest Tulip Festival here in Ottawa each spring, I have enjoyed tip-toeing through tulips the last number of years since moving here. 1000s upon 1000s of lovely tulips (and 1000s upon 1000s of lovely ladies :-) ) adorn Dows Lake each year with the warming of spring - making for some beautiful scenery, if I do say so myself ;-)

Happy Tapioca Pudding Day! err, I mean, BIRTHDAY! I hope you get some :wink:

I miss: -When ignorance was bliss (even thou I don't believe there is much value in ignorance (other than hugely monetarily, albeit I despise greed with a passion)) -When first experiences make me giddy -When I feel moments of true love. Like when sparks fly before fizzling-out in the darkness of the night and the coming morning light. -When I'm existential feeling oneness. -Waldorf and Stadler -Wayne and Shuster -Snuggling -Butterfly Kisses

A lot of people come here and ask for 'the best' whatever, which repeatedly gets replied to in the same way - what's best? As stated: Perception is relatively subjective. You tell us, maybe start with describing your wife ;-)

In today's Information Age (just look at us here on CERB); tech horny Ottawa; and the World in general; in my opinion it adds to the personality/style/attractiveness/allure of the SP and speaks to their business savvy being more professional and established than others. The more information that can be provided upfront, the better and easier it is to make a decision ranging from getting company just for an evening of fun, or look for someone to become a regular with and build on things over times. SPs who waste time trying to hook people into business without full disclosure of their services, restrictions and otherwise, do nothing to make the hobby any better for anyone. I mean, if you don't Kiss - say so right up front! [sidebar: This is coming from a guy who has been siting around in his undies building Websites for the last decade :razz: ]

Like scott, I keep a mental list ...but maybe unlike scott, I also have self-induced short-term memory loss.

Real fruit juice gummy berries - a Lb of them = a meal for me. Beaver tails - I like 3 @ a time. 1 is so nothing. Wild Boar Chili Dusted Baby Back Ribs!

There are alot of 'taylor moon's out there - no surprise someone took it. Probable just a co-inky-dink about buying it just before you. But it's no surprise this happened, as I have 1000 domains and have been in the business for years - ALOT of people buy domains. To loosely quote Bill Gates: "Domain names are the fastest growing economic instrument in the history of mankind." As an economist for a decade, I concur. .ca works for advertising in Canada - not so much internationally.

Love it cat! People watching rocks! 6inch platforms when cleaning rocks! Scratching your bum alot rocks! Mason jars drinking rocks! Wearing mens underwear rocks! (especially boxers) You Rock! Thanks for sharing - a woman cut from my own cloth ;)

Kudos Meg - Way to not turn to the dark side! and of course, Long May Your Big Jib Draw! (I hope you get some soon ;) )