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It would be a shame to see it close I have many blurred memories of evening I spent there before crawling across the street to my room at the old Delta. I don't get to Ottawa very often any more but if I did I would drop in for one last visit to the champagne room.

There are a number of wonderful ladies here on this site that do tours in the US I am sure they would be able to direct you toward the best places they advertise..

For me the use of the word "cheap" is a problem when you are referring to the type of personal service we are talking about.. While I appreciate it is every ladies right to establish rates that she wishes my experience has made me aware that extremely low rates are problematic in at least a couple of ways: First the setting of an extremely low rate is often a sign of other issues that make me have serious concern for the person providing the service. It often means that the individual is in financial distress or may be dealing with addiction problems. I support the right of sex workers to work in safe profitable environments and not one of economic subsistence and dependence. Second unrealistically low rates like the $60 mentioned in the OP can make serious problems in the market place making it more difficult for others in the market to make a reasonable living. For some reason guys see ads with low rates and automatically expect the market to drop to that new standard. Just my Opinion

Ensuring that my wife is not aware of my play time is totally my responsibly and not the wonderful ladies I am meeting. If they end up talking I would suspect it is my stupidity.

Starting with former clients is a great way to start in my opinion.... I missed your July message but hope to here from you again soon. In regards to texting apps... they are here and there is not much that can be done about it. I use one and have never had a problem getting replies but I have always. Been willing to call the lady to confirm bookings and happy to give her my real number fort screening purposes. The app is just needed to keep things confidential and I will not risk a second phone. I respect any lady who chooses to not have app users as clients that is there right but would hope they would also respect the right of men to use the app if it works for them.

Personally I don't see any problem with a meeting in a lobby but could see a problem in terms of confidentiality if a client is sitting around a hotel lobby in his home city... family, friends, co-worker and clients might come through and risk the confidentiality especially if it's at the very moment the beautiful lady meets you. All that said I think a little effective communication could find a solution that would meet everyones needs. My favourite hotel for meetings in St. John's is the Delta where you can get in the elevator in the parking garage and go directly to the rooms Just my opinion

Thank you Jessica I thought you would never acknowledge it about me 🙂 (just joking I have never met Jessica yet)

As long as you reference that some are older I don't care.

I have used a texting app on my main personal phone for years with no problem whatsoever and have never not gotten a reply from ladies I wanted to meet. It as been a non issue. While I am sure many will roll their eyes - recommend a BlackBerry smartphone ... the newest models (KEY1 and KEY2) have a feature called "Locker" a segregated part of the operating system where you can put pics, videos, and most importantly Apps that you do not want anyone to be able to access on your phone. Anything placed in this area does not show in the APP list and can only be accessed by either a password or a fingerprint identity. You can use apps on other phones to do some of this but this is not an app it's part of the operating system. https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://crackberry.com/how-to-use-blackberry-locker%3Famp&ved=2ahUKEwiBgdTEv7jeAhVPm-AKHRgOCAEQFjABegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw0k1Tmwft3nYDTg64EBZ77_&ampcf=1 Just my Opinion

Long time members of this site might remember other similar threads over the years ... they might even recall my strongly insisting that "Real Friendships" can be developed in this industry ... well here we are years later and significantly wiser.. This is a business plain and simple... and yes in a business you can have friendly relationships that extend beyond the pure business transaction but you need to keep in mind that it is all dependent on that business transaction. When you become a regular with a lady of course the relationship changes ... you learn more about each other and may even extend your interactions outside the actual business arrangement... there may be celebrations of special events Christmas, birthday etc but I have learner that it is extremely wise to remind yourself on what this is all built ... a sexual fantasy... a business arrangement and even with the best intents by both parties letting it go further then that will result in problems. Both parties need to ensure that they nip these things in the bud. When they are not nipped in the bud trust me one party or the other will misuse the situation maybe not intentionally but regardless one or the other or both will get hurt. My suggestion for this industry is to be lead by your little head and leave your heart out of a business arrangement. Your not here to be a part of her personal life or to save her... and she is not here looking for a BF or Husband. Just my Opinion

There are so many things that can play into this even in the same location... As was previously said being an amazing client can have dramatic impacts on any service you receive. For exampIe I get amazing service from my lawyer because due to the business I am in there is a fairly high need for drafting of legal documents so I make him a lot of money. Better client better service. While a very well known lady in this industry once explained to me that she was never in competition with other ladies and that her opinion of what the services she provided were worth was the only real important factor I have come to understand that Unfortunately the local business marketplace can play a big part. If some in the market find themselves pricing services extremely low it can create a very damaging market environment that affects both clients and suppliers. Market Conditions Finally... You Get What you Pay For in any business and if you are a value shopper God Bless but I am more interested in Quality. Just for the record Quality can mean dramatically different things to different people. Just my Opinion

It's unfortunate when this happens but is I think just part of the business... I also think it is extremely important that both the lady and the client reserve the right to decline when they meet and frankly there are many many reasons why that could happen. The real issue in my opinion is how this declining of service by either is handled. If a lady in good faith has turned up at your place to meet you or prepared to meet you at hers and you decline her service she I think is entitled to appropriate renumeration. The rub is that often both parties don't agree on what is appropriate so I would encourage ladies to have a clear policy of what she expects in there circumstances on her website etc. If she does the gentleman has no reason to object (yes some will anyway) as it was established at time of booking. Guys making bookings should understand that is part of the deal and that if the lady incurs cost (time or money) they deserve to be compensated. Now that said if the lady has a clear policy but also has also clearly mislead the client ( says 20 yo but is 50 yo, says 300lbs and is 105, says no tattoos and has body full.. then all bets are off) If the lady turns up and decides to not provide service for a reason of her choice she should not expect any renumeration unless the gentleman has significantly misled her. (She expects single guy he expects gang bang, situation is unsafe for lady etc). In the case of being misled or unsafe I think an expectation by the lady of being reimbursed for her costs is reasonable but I think we all know is not going to happen the majority of the time. These types of misunderstanding are part of business and it is incumbent on both parties to do all that they can to reduce the chances of it happening. Deposits can be used but from my perspective are not ideal. Just my Opinion

And now all us perverts can only think of lapping a pussy.... I mean pussy on laps

Having a look around Lyla for the first time in a long time.

Heading to New York City in a few weeks and was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for sex related things to do in the city. Where should I go ... what should I see...

I have met the lady in question and the best advise I can give you is that I have also met Farrah who is visiting from Quebec and was a real pleasure to spend time with .... First class all the way.. Location and experience. Sent from my BBB100-1 using Tapatalk

I read your original post with interest and generally agree with the comments that the other contributors have made but with one additional suggestion... Tell me who she was... she sounds great lololol Only kidding of course but your description of the session sounded wonderful to me Just my Opinion Additional Comments: I read your original post with interest and generally agree with the comments that the other contributors have made but with one additional suggestion... Tell me who she was... she sounds great lololol Only kidding of course but your description of the session sounded wonderful to me Just my Opinion

I think the days when we looked to politicians as role models for anyone are long gone... in fact I think they never really existed because in the past politicians private lives were much more "private" people knew John Kennedy was a womanizer but it was never reported. In today's world there i nothing that is Private... . Shudder if all my private comments.. discussions... emails etc were suddenly available for people to read and disect. Neither Trump or Clinton is quite as bad as they are portrayed in fact while I would never vote for Trump I have to give him credit for actually running as himself... what you see is what you will get..scary as that may be. Clinton is a lifetime politician... and apparently that is no a bad thing.. she is accused of being willing to do and say anything just to get elected ... which is funny cause I would have thought that would be expected of all politicians after all we have built a political system that rewards exactly that. To become a candidate for the job of president of the United states yo really have have choice but to sell out parts of yourself th challenge is in those choices... In regards to the comments about her "standing by her man" so to say... I kinda had to chuckle when I read that on this site... I mean if you am gonna judge her for her personal decision to support her husband when she knows he is a bit of a pervert and a womanizer then what does that say about all the spouses o u clients here here this industry lol. Perhaps we would be best judging politicians based on their work ... their Actions . Their Decisions... on their policies and not on their personal life. . Personally don't care if Trump or Bill Clinton are inappropriate sexually in their private life... If they do something wrong they should be held accountable JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE... if I grab a woman's p*ussy with out permission I expect to be arrested. Just my Opinion

Nothing in life is really that complicated if you are willing to put in the effort... if there is goodwill... if there is desire... I there is commitment... What I have learned over the years is that "Love" whatever that means is just not enough... you can have deep love for someone and it can not be enough... sometimes that's because we are lazy and just don't want to put in the effort to demonstrate that love in the things that do ever day... sure we can muster up the energy to create the right environment when we are on vacation with not a worry in the world but what about that every day demonstration of our love and affection... its not a complicated thing... do the things you did when you were falling in love... it's not complicated but it is work ... and sometimes we are lazy or lack the passion... I have also learned that people who love each other deeply can also get into trouble because of the events that happen to them in life... maybe it's a family illness...maybe it's constant separation for work... maybe it is a mental health challenge... maybe it is a death... what ever the cause I have learned that life events between people who are in love affects them sometimes it pushes them together and sometimes it pushes them apart.... it's not not the love is gone it is sometimes just that the pain overwhelms it. I have learned... relationships are not complicated but they are often very difficult and if you or your partner are struggling or broken then it can be impossible. I have also learned that people going through these impossible situation still need human connections and to feel needed and valued and frankly this industry can be a great way to meet that need for human intimacy. I have also learned that this industry I also a way to have great Sex with wonderful people. So I don't judge or question... I just live and let live.

The link to access the "Verified Independent" area is on the main page https://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=4 Basicly to gain access you need to speak to the MOD but I believe there is a need to be either vouched for by an existing verified independent who already has access or you need to have had a presense here on the site for a while (50+ posts) or have purchased some advertising from the sites owners. You might find this FAQ informative: http://lyla.com/vbulletin/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_sponlyarea In regards to your questions about screening your best off speaking with some of the wonderful ladies from this site who in my experience are very helpful... they recognize th need to support each other in order to keep everone safe. Send a PM to a few of the more actively posting ladies on here and I am betting they will help your case. As for getting known and trusted by clients that is always a challenge and since the new laws were implemented in December of 2014 it is harder to have the types of conversations that help with that. That said there are always ways if you use some common sense. From my personal perspective I would suggest active posting on here... build a personal business website that guys can go to... invest in some advertising of yourself so that you establish your name a bit... In regards to recommendations or reviews it really depends on the individual person's feelings I would guess that some good recommendation on a site like this from some active clients on the site from your area would help with getting established. Hope that helps

The texting app is "text Plus" and text hiding app is "Secret SMS" But there are lots of them.

The pictures are real and the service is reasonable... I had the opportunity to meet her a few times about a year ago I did not do a recommendation at the time but feel free to contact me if you need more information.

It's crucially important to do your homework and identify reputable ladies so that there is virtually no risk to giving your real name. As has been said by others here the wonderful ladies of LYLA want to protect themselves and protect you and your privacy. I have been seeing ladies for a long long time and have never had a problem with confidentiality with a reputable lady. That said the challenge is of course being sure the lady is reputable and frankly someone has to roll the dice whenever a new lady enters the industry... reputation can only be built with experience so do your homework... has the lady done the things that will reassure you that she is approaching this from a professional perspective... website... registered on sites like this...safe professional locations etc. The bottom line is there is absolutely no guarantees in this business if you want total safety then you better skip this lifestyle. Everyone has bad days... anyone can get their email or phones hacked (just as Hillary Clinton) everyone's opinion of what's reputable is different. Look after yourself if you are a client or a provider. There has been lots of discussions about texting apps and frankly I think the ship has sailed on that... with burner cell phones and the fact that you can often not tell it is a texting app the requirement by some that they don't take bookings from apps is becoming somewhat symbolic as unfortunately it does not afford the ladies in this industry the same level of security it did in the past. My approach is twofold when it comes to texting and calling... if I am texting someone I have not met before I use a texting app as it does two things for me... it provides me with a small element of security in case my initial contact is with someone I can't trust... I will text and start the contact through the app but am very willing to provide an actual number to the lady if requested to finalize the booking. The app also is great because it is password protected on my phone so it's not possible for someone to stumble across the records of my contacts either on purpose or by accident (did I mention I am married). The second thing I do is I maintain texting program on my cell phone that allows me to text from my main number but have both th outgoing and incoming texts remain hidden in the app and not in the phones text log. This allows me to share my real number in situations where it is safe but not worry about the text history or someone seeing the incoming texts. This system has served me very well in the lifestyle for a number of years but to be honest I have not been as active in the year and half. Just my opinion

Trump is not the problem.... those are words I never expected to write but unfortunately for our future it's accurate. Trump the entitled asshole is starting to show through and it's increasingly unlikely that he will get elected and that is a very very very good thing. The problem however is that we have only dodged this bullet and Trump has done his damage. Trump has lowered the bar for future presidential candidates... it's ok now to not have real policies... just make broad popular statements the the more outrageous the better (free media) it's ok to blately lie especially if you do it often... it's ok to pit one part of the country against another or pick out ethnic groups and blame them for the countries shortcomings. Let's look forward 4 or 8 years... just imagine the mangy group of misfits that will now think they can run.... and even more scary amongst them will be a new improved Trump... just as crazy... just as uncontrollable but more polished... a newer better Trump. Think Cruse but more radical if possible.... Trump may not win but he has made things much worse. Just my Opinion

Beautiful, Sexy, Red Haired lady with an amazingly fit body... LYLA Profile : https://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=119009 Don't let the firey red hair or the amazing tattoos or the amazingly fit body scare you off this lady is someone you will definitely want to meet if you are in St. John's. Ashlyn stands about 5' 4" with a body that could be on the cover of any fitness magazine in the country. This is a lady who takes care of herself and it shows.... for those of you who know me it's not really an achievement to be in better shape then me but I can tell you if you can find a lady in the industry in better shape then Ashlyn that you are in very exclusive company indeed. When you first meet Ashlyn you will notice her firey red shoulder length hair and her very unique tattoos... and yes you will think f.... what a body but guess what that's not even her best quality this lady is a truly amazing person...so easy to connect with and chat she will make you feel immediately like you are a best friend ... I can honestly say that this stunning lady had me captivated in less time then it would take to play a few songs. While I am never one to share intimate details (wink wink) let me assure you that Ashlyn is a true professional in her work she will find out exactly what you expect and then... EXCEED your wildest expectations. Ashlyn is currently working at Hush ADULT MASSAGE Studio in St. John's which is a good safe clean location with lots of options for discrete parking. I can tell you from experience once you meet Ashlyn you will want see her every chance you can get... she is one in a million.