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Dinner last night... Poached Salmon

This is indeed not a simple issue and there have been a number of court cases on the issue and certainly the case cited by mrnice2 is one of those but I am not sure it "decided" the issue I think one would also have to consider. Fraser vs Public Service Staff Relations Board which like the Osborne case supported the rights of Civil Servents but with restrictions... "The Court held that some speech by public servants on public issues is permitted. An absolute prohibition would not be consistent with the deep-rooted principles of robust public discussion in a democratic society, with the size of the public service, or with plain common sense. The Court added that: ... indeed, in some circumstances a public servant may actively and publicly express opposition to the policies of a government. This would be appropriate if, for example, the Government were engaged in illegal acts, or if its policies jeopardized the life, health or safety of the public servant or others, or if the public servant's criticism had no impact on his or her ability to perform effectively the duties of a public servant or on the public perception of that ability. But, having stated these qualifications (and there may be others), it is my view that a public servant must not engage, as the appellant did in the present case, in sustained and highly visible attacks on major Government policies. In the end, other interests must be balanced against the right to free speech, including the duty of loyalty to the employer and the ability of the public servant to do his or her job. Mr Fraser lost his appeal and his dismissal from the public service was therefore upheld" http://www.erc-cee.gc.ca/cnt/rsrcs/pblctns/rtcls/a-019-eng.aspx. In regard the scientist in question I would suggest that the application of the Fraser decision would support his public comments on the restrictions being applied to scientists in the public service but the song goes much further than that and may serve to demonstrat the individuals lack of political impartiality which does damage to the public service as a whole. The fact that Mr Harper is an ass whose policies many (including me) feel are damaging our country is really not relevant that is a political opinion and the public service should be non-partisan a respect the fact that the government of the day was elected to govern. Now back to the real reason fo this post... Let all vot t = rid of Harper so w can move on to the next group of politicians who will disapoint us. And yes I am a political junkie and enjoy the dabate around this... hearing a broad spectrum of voices is a good thing. Just my Opinion

Just to be clear I respect the scientist for standing up for something he strongly supports I just think he must have also understood the limits that were on his engagement in politics as a federal public servant. As for equal treatment if the song had been about the readiness of Mr. Trudeau all I can say is that while I would not have expected the political masters in the government to react as swiftly I certainly would expect that the professional managers in the public service would have applied the same standard. Just my Opinion

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Harper is wrong in the way he has stifled the scientific community but to be fair every federal public servant should understand the principles of nonpartisanship... the role of the public service is to dutifully advise the government of the day and implement the policies an legislation with out regard for politics. It will never be appropriate for the public servant to speak out against government policy... this may not seem fair but it is appropriate. It should be kept in mind while public servants can't speak out individually they are represented by strong effective unions that can and do speak out on government policy. All that said... Harper should be gone. Just my Opinion

Happy Birthday... hope you have a great day.

Great song...thanks for posting...

That's what I like about this thread... regardless of what the answer is I get to think about beautiful sexy ladies in their underwear... pink boy shorts with tiger print... works for me lol

Ice and a Cooler....

I don't know if there is anything else... I think I kind of lean towards the thinking that there is not because to believe there is something more kind of makes it seem like there must be some Devine order of things and frankly I lost all hope of that being the case several years ago with the senseless passing of someone I love.... my reason and logic tell me that this is in fact all there is but my love and grief and need to know has me hoping there is more... Just my Opinion

Thinking of going to a movie...

Champagne...

Tonight's meal will be sweet Thai pork roast... and grilled vegetables.

This all great information for us guys who want to get you into bed.... I am immediately heading upstairs to check my sheets :)

What a certain Cougar was wearing yesterday.... Thanks for sharing CapitalCforcougar :)

I would have waited for you to finish your coffee :)

Happy Birthday Alexxxis... hope you have a great day.

Chrystal is one of the premiere touring ladies in this country and should not be missed. Tall sexy and beautiful lady who is intelligent and very easy to be with. I have had the pleasure of meeting her on a couple of occasions and would highly recommend her.

Photos or no photos I appreciate your daily update... My mind actually does a pretty good job of filling the details and preparing a mental image... so I guess even with no pictures things are well in hand lol

Who ever suggested that is a genius ....

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Happy Birthday Amelia Fox... hope you have a great day.

Happy Birthday Scottthecanuck hope you have a great day.

Ahhh but most don't put money in at young age and if you are taking it out at a higher tax rate you have planned poorly. But I have to admit the TSFA might have the advantage of encouraging saving earlier in life because of its mobility. Great conversation by the way Zeno... and taxes are a large part of the election.

The income earned in the TSFA and the RRSP are both tax sheltered while the initial investment is only tax sheltered in an RRSP so what investment product are you referring to that is available in a TSFA that would not be available in an RRSP... I may be missing something ( I often do) but the compounding impact should be available in both. The only real benefit I see to the TSFA is the fact that you will not get taxed upon withdrawal like you would in an RRSP so the investment is more mobile Just my Opinion