craig101

Heaven has never been proven to be a place so trying to figure out who and what is going there is an exercise in silliness. lol

Ya I know. Was just being silly

If the session took 18 minutes do we round it up or down? lol

I try not to think about it to much... on that note I'm out of here

I don't think this is much of a problem here on Cerb. The ladies here are professionals and have their reputations and their livelihood to protect. They have a vested interested in this. But if we are to be fair, we know there are a lot of ladies out there with the intent of deceiving. Just have to read the diary to know this is true. Of course the sp is looking out for her best interests and the client is looking out for his best interests. Don't think anyone is being evil here. I think the best thing guys can do is do their research and make informed choices.

When I look at pics here I get lost in EmilyJ's eyes.

I deleted the shout box on my profile a long time ago. lol Its not really deleted but hidden.

Seems you are agreeing with me. lol I have no issues with ladies having cancellation fees and protecting themselves from time wasters. Was just adding that the clients time is also valuable and that both sides should be sensitive. I think were on the same page here.

Well it works both ways. Both sides can have emergencies and illnesses. If I wake up at 4 am with MASSIVE EXPLOSIVE DIARRHEA I don't think she wants me showing up that morning. lol The S.P.s times is valuable which is obvious but so is the gentleman's time. Maybe the gentleman had to take time off work without pay. Maybe he had to book a hotel room. Maybe he had to pay and send the wife to the spa. lol Whatever the penalty should be it should work exactly both ways. Everybody's time is precious and valuable.

Happy birthday sexy!!!!!!!!!!!

As a white man I would never see someone who advertises NO BLACKS. Racism for me is never acceptable. Judging someone solely on their race is wrong.

Was there any point to your post? Just rehashing was has been said many pages ago. You didn't add anything new. I'm glad you understand what troll and straw man are. If someone doesn't agree with you he must be a troll. Wow If I don't agree with you I must be not listening. lol I don't have anything more to add. C.H. said it best. By far the best post here.

So Craig was is your mission here? I thought that was a question. lol Phaedrus was complaining I wasn't responding to his posts and you are saying I am responding to much. Can't win either way

Thats a good idea. BTW i have 42 posts in over 3 years here. Not much of a mission here. People have been asking for replies so I'm replying.

So it is not allowed to have a an opinion that is against the majority? I thought this was a forum where we can discuss? Even if my beliefs are found to be wrong that in no way makes me a troll. Disagree with me if you like but I expect an apology for being called a troll. If this ends my days on cerb so be it. What a dangerous world we live in when expressing different ideas is considered trolling.

A house is a tangible object but NOT THE PERSON SELLING IT! Its apparently ok to negotiate and shortchange this PERSON but in this industry it is disrespectful. With a lot of ladies advertising rates non- negotiable what does that say about the ones who don't? Were suppose to think that they forgot to mention this in their add but the same applies to them? The ladies here are quite intelligent and give a lot of thought to their adds. If its not written in their adds its not silly for one to ask. Simple solution here. Put it in your add.

The opening post in this thread said it was not acceptable.

Just a question here. Are the people here that are against negotiating against it for this industry only or against it totally in all maters as a matter of principal. I suspect some of you have negotiated the price of a house. Maybe the house was going for 305 thousands and you offered 300 thousand. They accepted. Isn't this a lot worse? You just shortchanged them 5 thousand. Perhaps their kid can't go to college anymore. How about the realtor? She lost a few hundred dollars of income. You hurt her family too. Maybe this couple was going through a divorce or someone lost their job and you came in like a vulture and took advantage of them. If your consistent, you must also admit that negotiating for a house is wrong. If you think asking an SP if she can do 200 for 45 minutes instead of doing 220 for an hour is rude and trying to take advantage of her you must be even more disgusted with people who negotiate for a house.

The gentlemen who negotiate must be happy with what they are getting. As much as that baffles you I think your going to have to accept that. Claiming that they are to stupid or ignorant to realize what they are missing is laughable at best. Who are you to claim how happy they are? The proof is in the pudding. Again if all was as you saw it negotiating would be gone. If you have a problem with the definition we are using for the word " negotiating" might I suggest you take that argument with the O.P. We are following her lead. It was in her first post and the title to the thread. For the record I agree with her use of the word but I will let her defend herself to you.

So ladies, when he contacts the 4th lady is he to assume rates are non-negotiable when the first 3 were?

I appreciate the thoughtful post. So nice to get a healthy response rather then an insult or a picture or some silly youtube video. People negotiate with lawyers all the time. I'm not sure why people keep using this example. It is so common its not funny. If you want to go through every service one by one I would be happy to do so. Lets do it one at a time.

I thought forums like this were here so we can discuss and exchange ideas and hopefully learn something from each other. Thats my goal anyway. I have learnt a lot but guess what? That doesn't mean I agree with you. You didn't post this to discuss or learn anything. You posted with the only intent of educating. You're so convinced you're right that you won't even look at the other side. I honestly came in here with a open mind. Did you? Your first post was NEGOTIATING IS NOT ACCEPTABLE This does not sound like a person with an open mind willing to discuss. So if someone doesn't agree with you on this then they are too stupid to understand or simply not listening.

Why would people negotiate and is it good to negotiate is not something I'm arguing for. It is the freedom to do so that is important and not be ridiculed for doing so. If negotiating happened the way you thought it did it would of been gone a long time ago. I suspect that people negotiate because the men are happy with the rates and services they are getting. Unless they are masochistic by nature why would they hurt themselves?

Excellent! I sincerely thank you. Your argument for suppressing ones right to negotiate is so week that insults need to be made to substitute for a lack of logic.