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Most of this has already been debunked. I found a post in a other thread a while back that I'm going to copy. "Interesting. - I had a barber for 10 years, and although the rates increased over the years, they didn't for me, and I kept my regular every 2 week appointment. - I have an accountant, and because of the money spent on corporate accounting, my personal taxes are free and I regularly receive discounts on the hours charged. - Doctor visits are covered, but a health plan gives people discounts/free prescriptions, that not everyone receives. - Dentists, if you don't have a health plan, and their charging you the full rate, switch dentists. They only charge the full rate to get the full plan pay. If your plan pays less then the full amount, often you can negotiate with a dentist to accept what the plan pays. - lawyers. Put one on retainer (meaning you guarantee them a sum of income to be available for your needs) and you'll get great service from them, and very likely at a lower rate than any joe of the street, and you'll have access to them whenever you need, unlike a joe off of the street. - I'll add bankers also. Once you have a personal banker, you'll never line up for a service. You don't even pay them. Your portfolio is just that important."

Those numbers seem to be getting better and better as we go on. It started off like 20 to 0. The more we talk about it and the more we discuss the more those numbers are going to swing. People who hate negotiating are going to be louder and more vocal. People who think its ok to negotiate are more likely to be secretive and quiet about it. I almost didn't post myself.

When you say negotiating is wrong or not acceptable is this opinion or facf? A lot of ladies welcome negotiating. Some go as far as to to advertise it. Why deny them their rights and freedoms to run their business as they see fit? If you don't deny their rights on this then why think its wrong when a guy thinks negotiating is ok when it runs like wild fire in this industry. There is no one size fits all on this subject. Different strokes for different folks. No one can come in here and unilaterally set the guidelines for this multi million dollar industry. For those ladies who do advertise that rates are non-negotiable this should always be respected.

I'm glad you understand. Hopefully the 5th time posting this will get through to some others! lol

I have said many times exactly what Alexxxis said! Go back and read! Your argument is so week and pathetic that were now playing the " he has more posts game" So new posters points aren't valid? We should all leave? This is why I don't post because of people like you who use straw man arguments. I'm sorry that I'm not a brown noser like some posters and don't tell you exactly what you want to hear to score points. I will say it again for you because the last 5 times didn't get through to you. I don't support negotiators I'm not against negotiators. If the lady says not negotiable that ends everything. I just don't think when someone negotiates that he is automatically scum that needs to be educated.

I've read them all thanks. I think Alexxxis post was spot on.

Don't be so hard on yourself. You will pick up that ball soon enough. Megs additional comments and her original post are extremely different. I'm sorry if you can't see that.

Your additional Comments are spot on. Maybe thats what you should of posted originally when the thread was started.

Agreed with everything you said except for the 99% comment.

I agree you are under no obligation to do anything and I completely understand why an SP would not negotiate. However you don't speak for everyone and the ladies of cerb don't speak as one voice. Everybody runs their business differently as they see fit. There is no consistency with the women on this so no one can blame anyone for asking. Even now as we speak there is an add in the shout box that says rates are negotiable proof that not everyone here is on the same page. I have no agenda here. I don't really care either way. If the thread was " The ladies should always be willing to negotiate" I would be against that as well.

Let me be clearer of what I'm saying. I am not trying to get anyone to be more open to the idea. I just don't think the gentleman is foolish or stupid for asking. Both have the the freedom to do what they want as long as its done respectfully. There is no rule or moral code or whatever you call it that is being broken when someone asks. I also agree that it may not be in the gentleman best interest to negotiate but it is his right non the less and shouldn't be ridiculed for it as some low life that doesn't know better.

I agree with a lot that you wrote. Do you know what a straw man argument is? I never said that a lady should negotiate. Her word is final and should always be respected. I believe the gentleman has the right to ask without shame and I believe the lady has the right to not negotiate without shame. Additional Comments: NEGOTIATING IS NOT ACCEPTABLE were the first words written in this thread yet as lone skater already pointed out there is an add right now in the shout box saying the exact opposite. lol

It might not be the best thing to do but the gentleman has a right to do so. I don't think anyone here has the right to unilaterally set the guidelines for a multi million dollar industry in a totalitarian manner. It might not be for me and you but if someone wants to politely negotiate he is not a bumbling fool that doesn't know any better that needs to be educated on the matter.

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Where do I begin... You argued against things I never said. I never said that anyone should be forced to negotiate. Do you negotiate with a lawyer? YES YES YES and let me think about it some more... YES YES. When I was suing a company my lawyer and I had to negotiate the percentage he was going to get of the winnings. It went back and forth till we came to a resolution. Also if a SP says rates are non negotiable that ends the conversation. There should always be respect. If a gentleman politely asks once for a rate I don't think its a faux pas on his part. Heck people even negotiate with God. lol God if you do this for me I promise to.....

Nobody is comparing the ladies here to MacDonalds. You are all beautiful special ladies. In fact I am rather smitten with a few of you. Would marry a bunch of you in a heartbeat! But the business comparison is valid. Just because escorting is more intimate then other businesses doesn't make it exempt to business rules and elevate itself to a higher standard then other professions. You are not " objects" but the business principle is the same. Its a service albeit a much more intimate service. A better example is a house. You can love the house. Think its perfect. Value it and still politely offer less than the asking price. Asking for less in know way insults what you think of the house. I'm not saying negotiating is right or wrong or recommending it. I just question the opening statement that NEGOTIATING IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG. It is debatable.

Most people I know have negotiated with at least one of the professions that you mentioned.

Well then I would agree thats not cool. Respect should be given at all times.

Absolutely! Why not? It works both ways. I expect an SP to charge as much as she can get.

I'm going to be really stupid here and give my two cents. Most industries are negotiable so its easy to assume that this industry in particular in not immune to capitalism and its rules. When dealing with large amounts of money and transactions we are trained to bargain and get better deals. You're going house shopping and find the perfect house. Its the house of your dreams. They are asking for x amount for the house. Most people will never offer the asked amount. They will attempt to get the house at a lower price. Is this disrespecting the house or the people selling? No not at all. This is business. A lot of us here are friends and enjoy a relationship that transcends the business but we can't forget that this is a business. I don't mean any disrespect here but when dealing with large sums of money I think its always appropriate to ask a question on finances. Some gentlemen negotiate not because they think less of the SP but rather because they like her and are trying to make every effort to spend time with her. Out of all the adds he saw something in your smile or eyes or found something witty in your add that drew him to you above everyone else. Maybe offering less has nothing to do with the SP but rather a reflection of his own finances so the SP shouldn't feel insecure or be sensitive to this. I do believe though if the lady says rates are non-negotiable then that ends the conversation. The Sp should be treated with respect at all times. Rates are not a reflection of an SPs worth. If it was there would be no business because you are all priceless!

Going to say bye to you while your still here! lol

I hope the girl your looking for is not here on cerb.

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