Phaedrus

Given that this argument is rooted in ignorance, I'd suggest education is the answer. Unfortunately, this is hard to do. You can't easily force education on someone, and if you've having a debate with someone on this then it's unlikely that they're going to put a lot of time and effort into proving themselves wrong. I'd suggest that the best solution might be to point them to blogs, articles, etc written by SPs who are obviously doing what they want and enjoying themselves while they do. You could also point out that the same argument applies - and probably more so - to other jobs. I can't imagine that working in a call centre (to pick an example at random) is anyone's idea of their ideal job, but there are plenty of people doing it.

Unfortunately he's probably had to spend $$$ on a lawyer, and he'll never get that money back, or the time and stress he's spent on it all. This sort of abuse of process is no good for anyone. There are no winners here.

I met Hope a couple of months ago, and had a great time with her then. She mentioned at the time that duos with Harmony were a possibility, and I'd stored that away as something that might be fun to do sometime... but these things take a bit of time and organization. Having arranged to see Hope at short notice, I was looking forward to a fun time with her... but I had no idea what I was actually in for. It turned out that Harmony was also around, and free, and... well, who's going to say "No" at that point? Obviously, turning down a chance to have double the fun wasn't an option. It's pretty obvious how much Harmony and Hope like each other and how well they get on, and the only problem is that if you're a shy and retiring type then you might be overwhelmed by the high-energy hurricane of hotness that will whisk you into the shower, and onto the massage table, and then onto the pinnacles of pleasure without ever giving you a chance to catch your breath. I know that I had a fantastic time with them; I couldn't tell you exactly what happened, because there was just too much going on all the time. Things came to an end, as all good things must... and I'll have to experience this again. But only once I've recovered.

I think one of the big differences between now and the past is the size of the field you have to play with. In the pre-Internet age, your social circle was limited. If you wanted to play games and move on then there was only a small number of people you could move on to... and if you made a habit of that, word would get around and your chances of deciding that you wanted to be serious about it this time would decline rapidly. Expanding your pool of potential partners was possible, but took time and effort. Nowadays, Tinder and other apps are full of as many hookups as you like (if you live in a reasonably-sized urban area, at least), and none of them are likely to know each other.

This has been my experience when I've made a connection with someone. There's no discount on what's in the envelope; you just get more time for your money. Yep. I'm definitely in this category. An expensive weekend away, or an unexpected car repair... these things mean that the money I have for recreation and life's curve-balls is now unavailable for spending on the activities we're discussing here.

I think the official policy here is that recos are works of fiction, as far as the law is concerned :) And I think that the reason there are fewer recos is that there are fewer people hanging out here generally. I'd actually noticed a significant uptick over the last six months or so, at least in Ottawa. And to get back to the original point of this thread: I think they're very much worthwhile. I use them myself when deciding who I might like to meet, and if I have a good time, I write them for others.

Another very late recommendation from me :) I met Hope a while ago, and had a fantastic time with her. She's a really positive bundle of energy and she kept me entertained in all sorts of ways from the moment I walked in the door to the moment I left. Can't wait to see her again!

Another long-overdue recommendation :) Everyone's done a pretty good job of telling you how good Jackie is at what she does, and if you haven't got the message by now then me repeating it probably won't help. She's great to chat to and gives an awesome massage with a nice mix of working out the knots and teasing. One thing that hasn't been mentioned - she added a pole to her location not all that long ago, and so you can now start off with a pole-dance and a lap-dance before you get into the massage. That's a fantastic way to get things warmed up at the beginning of the session - and if you haven't tried it, you should. I'll be back to try it again, I'm sure!

I had the pleasure of meeting Abby last month (yes, I've been lax in writing recos). The fun started as soon as we got into the shower, and didn't let up at all until we got out of the shower for the second time. In between... well, everything that happened was pretty damn fantastic. She's a great person to talk to as well, but I must confess that I found keeping up my end of the conversation somewhat difficult due to... distractions. Definitely someone to see again!

I'd have thought that the main thing here is to be clear that you offer different things. As long as it's obvious that anyone seeing you for a massage/companionship session isn't going to end up out of their comfort zone, you're probably fine. If you have different rates for the different kinds of meeting, that may help to emphasize that they *are* different. I wouldn't have thought it was necessary to change your name (but don't let that stop you if you'd like to), although maybe you could just advertise as Pandora for the stuff where 'Mistress' doesn't apply. If you do change your name, it may be worth being open about the reasons you've done so just to make sure nobody thinks you're hiding anything.

Rest assured, the ladies have got this covered. Word gets around.

If you don't want to be a drug-dealer, you should probably not start dealing drugs. Even prescription ones. I'm also not convinced of the wisdom of continuing to associate with a known thief. It sounds like she has problems in her life and could use some help, but whether it's up to you to give it and how much you choose to be involved is entirely up to you.

I don't see why. People who couldn't stick to the old rules probably won't be able to stick to the new ones either. Of course, if the site changes hands, the new owners may have an entirely different policy on all sorts of things, including this.

Don't worry... this is stressful if you're not used to it :) Put it in an envelope before you meet. When you arrive at the lady's incall, put it down somewhere in plain sight, or if she's visiting you, leave it somewhere very obvious and make sure her name is on the envelope. Do this as soon as you meet (OK, you can take off your shoes and coat first). Don't say anything about it. If you're feeling extra-tactful, excuse yourself and go to the bathroom and wash your hands or something, which will give her a chance to pick up the envelope and make sure everything's as it should be without you being around to see it. If you do that, you may well find that the envelope has mysteriously disappeared while you weren't looking. The great thing about this is that at no point does anyone *mention* the envelope, or what's in it. And then you can both forget about it and concentrate on enjoying yourselves, which is the whole point of meeting.

Absolutely. And as you've mentioned, the key to the sense of community is that this board isn't permitted to turn into a cesspit of bitching at people. If the ladies don't feel safe and welcome then they'll go away, and once clients realize that what's left is a sausage party they'll follow.

I suspect that asking directly and threatening a boycott if they give you the wrong answer will simply teach them to lie. It might be more effective to simply regret that there's so few <whatever> dancers to choose from - and you can do that for dancers of whatever ethnicity, body type, or other criteria you choose. Yes, but there's a limit to how many they can have, and if they have more people who want to work then it's in the club's interest to give preference to the dancers who will attract more customers. Of course, the set of dancers who will attract the most customers probably *isn't* a bunch of identikit thin blondes - I'd like to think we customers would prefer more variety than that. How accurately the club managers can get the right people working on any given night is open to speculation.

Add me to the list of folks that believe the rules on this board about being positive and keeping things civilized are what makes it unique. Of course, the new owner can and will do what they like... but they're going to be taking over a board which, as far as I know, is pretty unique in the way it operates. Turning that into yet another trash-all-the-providers board seems to me to be a counter-intuitive thing to do... although it would create a gap in the Canadian market :) Some folks have already said they'd leave if the positivity went away; perhaps they'd be replaced by other people, if those people could be lured away from the boards they currently inhabit... but perhaps not. It's a shame nobody from this community felt able to bid, but... it's a lot of money for an individual. Maybe a consortium could have worked...

Probably better to ask the spa directly. CMJ and Brass Club both have all-in prices for duos on their websites, which should give you some idea of what to expect. PS/AT have separate room and tip payments, but I'd expect the overall cost to be comparable. Training duos are usually at a discount, but usually only for a day or two when the new MA first starts. CMJ and Brass Club have prices for those too.

A lot of providers in the US will suddenly be wondering where the hell this month's rent is coming from, and how they're going to feed their kids. I don't think that's something to celebrate.

Update on this thread: the pimping charges laid against Backpage's executives have been dismissed. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/12/backpage-executives-beat-pimping-charges-case-dismissed/ Now that California's AG has won her campaign to be California's next Senator, I guess grandstanding like this is no longer necessary. It's a shame that the possibility of ruining so many lives with an expensive prosecution that was always doomed to fail was mere collateral damage on her quest for political advancement, but I guess it tells you everything you need to know about her morals.

People can, and do. There's a few threads in the general forum about this. No. Airing dirty laundry is not allowed here. This is not up for debate. The only things that are allowed are the content of the scams/warnings section, and whatever the ladies have to say in their private area. Any change here would be a huge change in the ethos of the board, and I can't see it happening. There are plenty of other boards where people can bitch about each other and make the place toxic. This has been debated in the past and rejected... but I can't recall why. The ladies do have their own section where bad clients can be discussed. End of thread-hijack... let's get back to the reverse massages, because that's a lot more fun than complaining about the rules, eh?

Definitely worth seeing! She used to be Daisy at CMJ... she has a reco thread from then but it's closed, for some reason.

I think this is the root of your problem. I get the impression that you consider compliance with the law to be a moral issue. I strongly disagree with this. While I'm sure we'd all like to live in a world where the law of the land and our own moral compass were in perfect alignment, that'll never be the case. When it comes to this sort of thing I'm more than happy to treat the law with the contempt it so richly deserves and back my own judgement of what's immoral and what isn't. As for getting caught... call me complacent, but it's not something that I'd consider high risk. I know that you know more than enough about online security and anonymity to be safe enough from that point of view, and I don't doubt you can anonymously pick up a burner cellphone too. That's enough to make exposing you... not impossible, but certainly a task that would take significant time and effort. If a provider is compromised by LE, or something's picked up by a Stingray-like device or an online trawl... well, that exposes your burner cellphone number and online profile, which don't easily lead back to your real-life self. Unless you have powerful enemies who are dedicated to exposing you, I'd argue that this makes the chances of that vanishingly small. I have never had the impression that LE are willing to put much effort into finding clients; while they may go so far as to put someone on a street corner in a short skirt or post an ad on BP, that seems to be about the limit, from what I can see - anyone who sticks to well-established/reviewed providers and tends to repeat with people they've already met simply isn't going to get caught up in something like that. This will also keep you away from any trafficking victims, whose clients are also likely to be pursued more vigorously. None of this makes you invulnerable; it's simply a matter of not being the low-hanging fruit. In summary: stop worrying, and start enjoying yourself again :)

IANAL, but... my understanding is that to get any kind of restitution you'd have to prove that it was false, had malicious intent, and caused you actual harm (financially, to your reputation, or something else). That would involve courts, and lawyers. It may end up costing you more than you recover even if you win. Depending on who you're thinking of taking on, you may want to consider which side has more resources to burn on a legal battle; sometimes these things are more about who runs out of money first, rather than who's right or wrong on the merits. Finally, if you've never heard of the Streisand Effect, google it. You may not be a famous celebrity, but it's worth bearing in mind anyway. If you've already gotten a takedown of the offending material done, it may well be that there isn't much more that you can easily do. If you're trying to get things removed, it may be easier to get that done on copyright grounds (say, if it includes a pic you have the rights to) rather than defamation. And to reiterate what I said up front... I Am Not A Lawyer. Take all that with an appropriately-sized pinch of salt.

Her new website is at bethanywestbrooke.com. She doesn't seem to have updated her profile here since she launched it, but she only changed over recently...