Phaedrus

LOL. The law did not have a grossly disproportionate effect; the whole point of it is to make sex work as difficult as possible (within the bounds of the SCC's ruling in the Bedford case) and therefore force people out of the industry. It was doing exactly what it was intended to do.

It isn't. There have been posts like this from providers who are sick of people trying to haggle with them for as long as I can remember. I have no doubt that there will be more in future, because some things - unfortunately - never change. What's not allowed is posting and discussion of any particular provider's rates. It's unpleasant when people start to say things like 'I don't think she's worth that'. And even if people just post rates without comment, providers can and do change their rates whenever they please, and so those posts can get out of date and misleading pretty quickly. That makes it a lot easier for everyone if they just don't happen.

Brass Club and CMJ's downtown location are both within walking distance, if you don't mind a bit of a walk :)

DNR means do not discuss. At all. Usually that's because the provider in question has requested it, and their opinions are more important than ours. If that's a deal-breaker for anyone, they're free to go see someone else.

Perfume is great, in general. Well, I think so, anyway. But in this industry, there's two issues... First: you never know when a client is going to react to it badly (in terms of sensitivity, etc) Second: as others have said, a scent can linger, and some people have issues with anyone else smelling anything... compromising. So, I'd say - probably best to stay away from anything but the most subtle dab of perfume unless everyone involved is definitely OK with it.

Hah. The markets might be high for now, but I can't help feeling that the entire economy is running on a sugar rush right now... and the comedown is going to be brutal when we realize the central banks can't cut rates to help out.

Yup. Next day at least for a follow-up. And... unless it's a provider you're already well acquainted with, I think your first message needs to make it clear that you're interested in booking. By all means start out with a pleasantry or two, but make sure you get down to business (e.g asking about availability, or something) in the same message. The ladies seem to get an astronomical number of texts/emails/DMs from guys who are just stringing them along and have no intention of ever seeing them, and you don't want to get lumped in with the timewasters.

Bear in mind that that was the same Mod as we had back in the glory days. To my mind, the problem was two things that happened more or less simultaneously: first, we lost a few of the key contributors to the board, and secondly the change in the law that was C36, which meant that the people running boards (all of them, not just this one) had to be enormously careful about what was said. Some played it safer than others; the folks running this one were on the more conservative end of the spectrum, I think. A lot of people also stopped posting because of this. A few got suspended because they couldn't adjust. And the community began to wither as a result. I think you're half right... the real issue here is that back in the glory days I think most people were sitting behind a keyboard, and were able to write long-ish posts... but now everyone's using their phones, which make typing a lot far more of a hassle. And so people have moved to platforms that promote brevity. It's a shame, because there has been no replacement for the in-depth discussions we used to have here. You just don't get those conversations on Twitter. This is not a new complaint. People have been wanting to trash providers and complaining about not being allowed to do so here for as long as I've been around, and that's quite a while. Whatever the reason for the decline, this isn't it, because the rules here have always been the same. I don't really agree with this either, I'm afraid. The spas are very active, yes, but they always have been. But there are still a lot of independent providers around... they just aren't active here the way they used to be. And yes, we've lost some legendary providers, but we've gained others :)

All posts in the scams/warnings sections have to be approved.

For you guys complaining about being rushed... please bear in mind that you have no right to any more time than you paid for. If you book for an hour and you're walking out the door exactly an hour after you walked in, you have nothing to complain about. If you want a longer session, book it. Sure, there are some providers who will have you done and out the door in rather less time than you booked for - but those just need to go on the "do not see again" list. Accept it and move on. Some providers will give an extra few minutes, or even more, but this is entirely down to them. You have no right to expect it. And bear in mind that even if she'd like to hang out with you a bit more, she may not be able to because she has another appointment booked, or she needs to get on with her personal life. And if you're finding that you're always being rushed out the door... maybe re-evaluate how you're picking the people you see, and how you're behaving with them. The first step to getting a bit of extra time is to be the kind of person the provider wants to spend time with. Okay, that's enough of that digression. Back to your previous conversation about edging...

No idea. Maybe message the mods to ask? Or post a link to the club in this thread and other folks can see if they can find it...

I'd definitely recommend Cleo Pearl, although I don't think she's in the south end.

Join the queue. Guys with cameras are a dime a dozen in this industry.

Always a tricky one, this. But I'd have though that if you stick to reputable spas/agencies and independent providers with a good track record, you'll probably be fine. I've always done that and I've never run into anyone who I thought was trafficked, coerced, or otherwise being forced to do something they didn't want to be doing.

Um, yeah. My first instinct would be to just run. If you really want to see how this goes, maybe suggest meeting up in person somewhere convenient for you. See if she loves you enough to travel to where you are...

Must admit, I had the same reaction. I suspect a lot of guys that make these requests for pics are just getting off on the pics, or getting off on the power-trip of having the provider dance at their whim, and have no intention of booking at all. I'd have thought that a series of texts like that would be far more likely to get you on her list of timewasters than to get you the verification you desire. Of course, YMMV...

When considering these abolitionists and their message, have a look to see how much they're doing to fight human trafficking and exploitation that *doesn't* involve sex work. There's plenty of it, especially in the agricultural and domestic services industries. And you'll generally find that they're doing absolutely nothing about it. The sex is what they care about and what they're trying to shut down.

Yay! Great to see you back again!

It doesn't take that much effort to put up the five posts or whatever to get out of moderation, does it? I may be wrong on the history here but AFAIK one of the reasons for doing this was to try and eliminate the bots that create an account and then start spamming. And also to deter people who might want to create multiple accounts to shill or trash a provider.

I use email a lot. But you can expect that the provider will want to do some screening if you haven't met before, whether that be references, or a phone call, or whatever. It's trivial for anyone to set up email accounts. And a lot of people won't give out their location by email - you'll have to call just before you meet for that.

Probably nothing much you can do here. All you can really do it make sure other providers are aware that this client is problematic...

FWIW, I've seen various people complain about being stuck in moderation for a long time - often new users that probably shouldn't be any more. My gut feeling is that there's some process to let people out which isn't working. Hopefully the mods will see this and check it out. I agree that endless moderation for one slip-up seems rather harsh.

At CMJ and Brass, there's just the one payment. No further tipping is required (although I'm sure it'd be appreciated if you chose to). There are some things that are extra, but those are detailed on the spas' websites.

You can't ignore it. If you do, you'll get a summary judgement against you. If they've made administrative errors on the ticket then any competent lawyer should be able to get it kicked out. The problem with paying it is not the fine itself, or the points; it's what your insurance company does to you for the next five years now you have a ticket on your record....

I know you know. Just wanted to make it clear, because unfortunately not everyone reading understands this :)