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I love how it notes "his congregation" and "his church." Pretty well encapsulates the demographics of his audience. God, I hate reality TV with a passion that burns my nether bits. Scrb Sent from my SGH-I337M using Tapatalk 2

If I remember right, I needed to login in through the Web browser. When you select the mobile site, it asks you if you want to load it in Tapatalk, which I did. Then, voila, it appears ever after on my tapatalk accounts list. I couldn't find it by searching either. Kinda annoying, but only til you're finally in. Scrb Sent from my SGH-I337M using Tapatalk 2

I'm on it right now. Scrb Sent from my SGH-I337M using Tapatalk 2

Sorry to hear that. :(

Speaking out only to express anger, expecting that nothing you say is going to be thought about rationally, is presupposing you've lost. I would hope all has not already been given up for lost. And, really? That's the only stereotype you think people viewing this have?

The reality is an ad hominem rejection of a person's opinion or argument is an act of small-mindedness, and is foolish. But, it's also something politicians and those against prostitution will be guilty of without question. The treatment of those testifying serves as proof of this. HOWEVER, the danger here is the perception that more moderate observers will be left with. Black leather, gloves, an aggressive and coarse attitude, and threats of outing clients... That *does* reinforce a stereotype. *Of course* those ridiculing those testifying will do so regardless of how reasoned and professional they act. But acting in accordance with the stereotype only serves to convince the unconvinced that maybe the stereotype is accurate. Ot doesn't help the cause.

Fstop: I've had the swab test done by an attractive, young blonde doctor. Trust me, it didn't make it any more fun.

I am having a difficult time negotiating the dissociative abstraction that debating this requires. Can bill C-36 make illegal activities that occur in a strip club. Yes. If sexual activity is defined in broad enough a manner, the exchange if currency for the principle purpose of obtaining sexual services could extend the reach of C-36 to strip clubs, web cams, or even phone sex. Can bill C-36 make a marriage or relationship illegal because a) you have sex in a relationship, and b) money and goods are exchanged, gifted or provided in a relationship. No. Sexual activity isn't the principle and/or sole purpose of a relationship, nor are the parameters that characterize this relationship even remotely comparable to a transactional relationship with a sex worker. When clients start having perpetual live-in sex workers, maybe this bizarre comparison would have more merit. Until then, I'm pretty sure characterizing a fiance, wife or girlfriend as a live-in sex worker will result in you having all the time and freedom you need to explore bachelorhood and the ladies of CERB. :)

You're right. People standing up en masse in front of cameras and declaring that they use the services of sex workers would have a much bigger impact. Anonymity is definitely a barrier. I was impressed to hear the CBC interview with James Rodney, and admitted regular client of sex services. I'd guess that there aren't an abundance of James Rodneys out there, though. What Rodney did was put a different perspective of clients in front of a public audience. It's harder for the abolitionists to declare that all clients are abusive, violent, uneducated sex addicts preying on innocent women when those characterizations are challenged openly. I'm not saying what I propose is invariably right, or that there can't be a better idea. I just think it will help more to have the client perspective published openly, rather than it being easily drowned out by the opposing viewpoint.

Fair point and well taken. However, there's an element of risk involved in this for all of us, which is why I am stressing the anonymity of the project. In my opinion, writing letters to MPs is noble and great, but doesn't address the greater issue: politicians are swayed by votes, and the best way to influence votes is to influence public opinion. I truly believe this battle needs to be fought in the court of public opinion, not by arguing directly with disinterested politicians. *This* is how the abolitionists and Joy Smiths are winning. They are controlling the prevailing narrative through the media, the internet, etc. A different profile of who clients and workers are needs to be presented to the public. If the public sees a valid position beyond the one-sided propaganda of the abolitionists, they may pressure the government to address the issue. That's a much louder voice than a bunch of industry insiders.

Really, nerdnerd? It's not that hard to tell the difference. For one thing, there's a legal marriage. For another thing, particularly in a marriage, the amount of time spent in company of your partner having sex, as a ratio to the time spent otherwise together, is far less than in an encounter with an SP. Besides, the whole premise to your question is ridiculous: comparing a live in spouse to a live in sex worker? How many SP arrangements are there where the SP lives in your home monogamously on a constant basis. This isn't helping the discussion.

I knew this incredibly hot, tiny latina dancer in the US who would get down on her hands and knees and do this on stage. Apparently she was able to do the same thing during sex. That's a visual I'll have in the spank bank for decades to come. Good luck.

As I've said elsewhere, to have a voice, people have to speak. It sounds like a circular argument, but clients feel they have an opinion that isn't being considered, but nobody is speaking up. In another thread, I challenged clients to come forward. I am relatively articulate and reasonably motivated, and I have studied the industry with an intention of writing about it. I challenged clients to contact me so that I can gather information to write about the industry from their perspective and paint a picture of who clients are that popular propaganda does not allow. It would all be anonymous, by email or message. *ONE* person contacted me. The offer stands. If you aren't willing to speak up, how can you reasonably expect things to change?

I find arguments like that utterly ridiculous. Comparing a once a week SP "hobby" with daily companionship, let alone getting into the differences between a romantic relationship and a commercial, largely physical transaction, is like comparing apples with plutonium. Yes, relationships entail a financial cost. Yes, they can be expensive. But, this neither invalidates them when positioned as a cost-to-benefit analysis, nor does it address the fact that this bill could involve more than SP transactions. Seriously!

I would think you could copy and paste all the email addresses in as a BCC. Not sure if that will get the email trapped in a spam filter or some such thing.

I find it amusing that there is such frequent mention of "public outcry," and how this new bill is against the will of the Canadian people. This, based on a few questionable polls. The reality is that the average Canadian voter doesn't truly understand, or feel very motivated to learn, how this industry works or what kind of people are in it. *That* is why they so readily accept whatever abolitionist pap is being passed around. In order for there to be public outcry, there needs to be widespread awareness. As important as Bedford, there *should* have been an awareness and media campaign. That may sound ludicrous, but without the backing of public awareness of the issues and particulars in question, court action gets us precisely where we are today. Unfortunately, very few are willing to speak up, even anonymously.

Phaedrus, I have a lot of respect for your opinion/analysis and how you present it. I also don't want to be perceived as anti-Bedford, because that's not at all the case. I just don't think we live in a world where Bedford could produce the result we were hoping for. And I think that's largely our own fault. What strikes me is the delusions we seem to be living under. Take a look at this community. There are rules that govern our conduct, not the least of which is the rule against discussing illegal activity. To begin with, that rule is largely ignored. The bulk of discussion here is about sex: SOG, COF, Greek, GFE/PSE, and a plethora of much more graphic language that, I've pointed out elsewhere, seems to be proliferated recently. This accepted because, as I've seen the Mod indicate, the running assumption is these activities are conducted legally at an outcall location. Except that's a thin assumption, given that people just as readily talk about their INcall locations as they do the services on offer. What will happen when the exchange of money for those services will be criminal? Will this community die because ALL discussion will be, de facto, discussion of illegal activity? Abolitionists can do what they do because the research and literature is skewed in their favour. I'm sure some of you will argue this point, but consider: there is almost no representation in research literature for what is termed "hidden populations," meaning indoor sex work. There is even less research on client-side factors; motivation, demographics, profile, etc. Almost everything that can be read focuses on street prostitution, which we will ALL agree is very different, and much easier to stigmatize. Simply, you can't have a voice if you don't speak. I joined this community in large part because I wanted to write about it, and the first place to start was to immerse myself in it to understand it. I would still love to write about it. But, that requires brave individuals who are willing to share their stories and talk about themselves, under the promise of anonymity, so that a picture can be painted that is currently, dangerously, lacking. If any SPs, MAs or clients are willing to do this, PM me. I'm willing to bet my point will be proven and I won't hear from any of you. Until the culture around us changes to be more accepting of sex for money, bills like yesterday will always have a receptive audience. The general public just doesn't care enough, and certainly doesn't know enough, to know just how wrong that bill is. It's up to us to change that. You know where to find me!

Seriously, now, did anybody really *not* see this coming as soon as the ruling in Bedford came down? Did anybody *really* expect a brighter, better world for all? I am fully supportive of the notion that the laws that existed were bad for women in the industry. I fully support the idea that those laws need to change, and not in the way they did today. But, I also know we live in a world where that notion will likely never be realized. They can't do this? Harper has a majority. He can do whatever the hell he wants. Negotiation? Under threat of what? It'll never pass muster with an SCC challenge? Great, so we'll live with this bullshit for 10 years, then see this cycle repeated all ocer again. Polls show overwhelmingly that Canadians reject these proposals? Be *very* wary of polls. They often tell you a lot less than they claim to. The reality is this won't change anything today, or tomorrow, but it will become law and change things for some time. I figure that MPs/spas will be the most visibly affected, with indoor indies flying further under the radar, but that's just an opinion. Either way, I don't feel that Bedford won anyone a whole lot when the laws that are put in place because of Bedford are even worse than those that were struck down. I'm ashamed to be Canadian today. But, then, I have ever since we elected that fat bastard into office in the first place.

Happy Birthday! !

I'm questioning, now, how wise it was of me to use the word "class." For one thing, it implies a level of judgment that isn't fair, and is greater than what is actually exercised. It also seems to bring about defensiveness, and distracts from the main point. There aren't rules against the way ads are being written on this site. There aren't rules forbidding some of the language used to characterize the women, or activities with them, by clients. Naturally, the varied personalities in a group will provide an audience for different kinds of expression, so saying "I said it and it works" is like saying "water is wet." But, if "what works" is the dominant factor, a lot of other governing rules here should be questioned, and I think doing so would make for a worse place to meet and communicate. The point to all of this is to wonder if people are just becoming more callous and superficial (because it works,) and whether the *unspoken* rule that the industry should present and comport itself in a manner that is less likely to shock and confirm stereotypes should, ultimately, be respected. I've read threads where an industry collective, union or council has been discussed to ensure fair pricing and competition. In a world where such a collective could be considered to protect monetary interests, I find it hard to believe we don't all share an interest in cultivating and protecting a public perception of an industry that's already easily maligned and denigrated.

I've heard several people refer to "judgment," and just want to clarify that I am in no way trying to judge anyone. As many have expressed, I don't read what doesn't interest me, for the most part, so if someone feels the need to post a highly explicit ad, fill your boots! I think why I brought up this subject was because it seems more prevalent now than a couple years ago to see explicit ads, so I am curious as to why there has been a shift in paradigms. Also, I have noticed a bit of an increase in rougher language used by clients when discussing the women or their visits with them. So, again as another has alluded, the question is whether the explicit ads have similarly attracted or brought about a change in clients. Chicken, or egg? Again, I'm not judging. To each their own. I just find, as a recent poster put it, that we predominantly want this "hobby" represented as time for money, and the language that is being used more frequently makes it hard for the abolitionist "holes to fill" propaganda to be discredited. There's nothing here being done against CERB rules, but maybe that isn't the point?

The meet and greet option mentioned by CMJ is a great idea for a variety of reasons. For one, you get to see the MAs in person before booking, which helps you judge chemistry a bit better. Let's also be honest: while photos great, they frequently represent the individual differently than they may look when they are not posed, lit and retouched professionally. Meet and greets are also just a fun, social way of meeting and getting to know people. That's never a bad thing for business.

I've been around since 2011 as well. It just struck me recently that I seem to be noticing more and more ads that are far more explicit and blunt than I used to. Don't get me wrong, I don't think ads should be literary pieces or a poetic opus, and I bow to the obvious that people will do what works, but it seems at odds with the image of the industry the industry itself tries to project (at least in here.) I don't know how many comments and threads I've seen referring to this "hobby" (a term I hate) as a commercialized relationship where discreet gentlemen enjoy the time and company of beautiful, sophisticated women. The transaction, if you will, is expressed with such romanticism, and there seems to be a consistent effort to paint a picture where it isn't *really* about sex. In short, we seem to try and clean it up. Then, again, you have bluntly graphic ads and language from customers that doesn't seem to match the romantic persona everyone superficially tries to affect. It really is just a passing comment. I'm not offended by anything I read, and graphic language doesn't bother me in the least. I just find the incongruity of our professed image and the one given by our language jarring, and different from when I first joined in 2011. And, I wonder what that says about us all, collectively. Lastly, I will confess that I can find it a little grating sometimes, but almost exclusively when I read how some phrase their discernment as connoisseurs of women in terms of "I know my pussy!" Maybe sometimes the dirty talk is best left to private exchanges? Otherwise, it *can* say something about your respect for yourself and others.

Am I the only one who feels that the general level of dialogue in the forums has degenerated over the last year or so? I mean, I know we're all adults here, and all here to discuss very adult things, but it seems as though there has been a slide towards coarser and more vulgar language, to the point of it being almost offensive. I'm definitely not some kind od shrinking violet, and I have no problem with a certain degree of vulgarity. My favorite authors are some of the most disgusting writers, in a strangely eloquent way (Warren Ellis). But frequently reading customers referring to dancers and SPs as "pussy," and reading more and more ads titled along the lines of "cum let me stroke your fat cock until you soak my tits and pussy like a cum canvas" make me wonder if this is really how we would want the industry represented to outsiders. Just a thought.

He seemed to have a preference for street workers, but just in case... Be safe out there, ladies. http://invisiblebee.tumblr.com/post/78566746377/trigger-warning-attention-there-is-a-serial-rapist-now