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If it had really been a night to forget than you would have done just that .... Forgotten it!! However I feel we ALL know that was never your intention in the first place. My thoughts too. Were you circumspect when contacted by other hobbiests privately as to this lady`s identity ? How much has this garbage cost her in terms of business & reputation? I thought we were not those people. In my opinion not only does this post have no place here but neither do you. SO RIGHT!!I am saddened that what I thought I had put behind me with THAT place has reared its ugly head here. It should have been gone weeks ago. :icon_confused: However my main bone of contention is this. I agree completely Shortcake especiallywhen an equally awful post from a fellow SP working in the same city stated unequivocally that `` you were ripped off ``. How would you know? You said your self you had only one side! Yet you rushed to judgement almost immediately. This in particular is the reason why I do not participate in the other site. I feel you owe her an apology & in PUBLIC where you joined in maligning her. Sandi There is a special place in hell for women who do not help other women. Madeleine K. Albright

PLEASE allow me to preface that my thoughts are in no way a judgement of a man`s behaviour but simply my particular feelings & observations on this post. Thank you. While I agree with so much of what others have said I have a separate concern. It was at the start of my SP life & will forever remain the reason why I would never enter into a permanent, non-financially motivated relationship with a client. Boyfriend, husband, partner, what have you. Especially if he saw me as a married man & expected me to believe he would be faithful to me forever. Why? Because if he cheated WITH me, he would cheat ON me. Has it even occurred that she may be more afraid & insecure than you? In all that you said you never mentioned her feelings. You discuss her finances, her independence, her impending retirement but if you go back over your post you use the word ` I ` a lot. You say she is perfect for you. But are you perfect for her? Sandi

Kubrickfan I really don`t see the rationale behind this statement. You are seeing a woman who may or may not be using her real name, living a secret life, seeing & sleeping with other men & all the while trying fulfil the expectation of what each ( including you ) wants her to be. That is by definition a fantasy. You may also be involved with someone else, even married with kids & I highly doubt you are keen to invite your favourite SP to your next real life family function. And that of course is reasonable. While you may grow very fond of each other, the reality is that the SP/Client relationship is based on some mutual subterfuge. And naturally of financial consideration. A fact with which you are both acutely aware going in. As such I personally am not under ANY illusion that I am to be the next Mrs. So & So no matter how much a gentleman enjoys my company. However, simply because I am compensated for my time, my behaviour should in NO way be construed as insincere or bereft of genuine affection. The two need not be mutually exclusive. I suspect that you are in the minority. In fact I hope you are.If a man I meet escorting grows to consider our relationship as a way of life for him & not a hobby ( it has happened to me ) out of an abundance of caution I feel it necessary to part ways. ( and have ) By the same token if an SP becomes needy, demanding & jealous with you I would fully support your decision to do the same. As Samantha clearly stated: boundaries are necessary on both sides or lives can get ruined. Which is why I must agree with Emily`s OP. Alluding that any SP, especially one with her stellar reputation, would react in a possessive, adolescent manner following a request for a reference is absurd. To assume her ego would take priority over another ladies comfort or safety is an affront to her character, professionalism & she has every right to feel hurt & offended. It comes as no surprise to a secure & intelligent lady that you may want variety in your lives. We`re all big girls here. Take the kid gloves off & just be honest with us. Trust me, we can take it!! Sandi

A school would be great! :idea: There`d be no shortage of volunteer study subjects I`m sure! :rolleyes: I am from the same background as Angela. I started at an Outcall Agency going 16 years by then, very established & respected. We booked our own appointments over the phone. Within a couple of months I was training new girls how to make those calls and I still try to help if I believe she is sincere & can handle it. But I started at 32, am confident anyway so I learned quickly how to present myself well in that initial contact & more importantly how to weed out potential problems. Best training to go independent really so I got lucky. Set the business aspect aside though what it really comes down to is this: I like sex, meeting new people & I really like having sex with new people. :hump: :work4sex: You can learn finance, marketing, be hot as hell & smart as a whip but if you don`t honestly love this life you`re not gonna make it. No school for faking horny & try as you may it WILL show. Sandi

Another lady weighing in Rob I hope you don`t mind. Firstly, I must say it is a testament to your character that you try so hard to make a lady enjoy herself by choosing gifts, drinks, music, etc that she would appreciate. It is however in sharp contrast to your expectation that a classy lady should visit you in a hotel with such lax security. The only hotels I know of in Vancouver that would accept cash for I.D. & a false plate they did not check are SRO slums. Sketchy at best & I wouldn`t get past the front door much less climb into a bed there. I worked for an outcall agency & I have been to the Westin, Hilton, Fairmont & Four Seasons hotels with no problems whatsoever. The staff are discreet, professional & honestly don`t care what you do. A well chosen companion should never stand out anyhow as your privacy & comfort should be at the top of her list of concerns. However only AFTER her safety. I still do home & hotel visits as an Independent with no problems. So my advice Rob is to slooooow dooooown. I think you just over thought & over planned yourself into a panic attack. Relax. It should be a fun experience not a cause for stress. If privacy is of such paramount concern I must concur with Samantha & suggest you choose a lady with her own place. It will relieve you of the logistical responsibilities other than getting there and having a nice time. Good luck, Sandi

I have been lucky, even recently, to have met amazing young men under 25. They wanted a more mature lady with some experience & they were kind, respectful & grateful. I actually got a thank you review on my site by a 19 year old. How sweet is that? However as a rule I do prefer men 35 & up in my professional life. They tend to be more confident, understand boundaries & in my experience seem to enjoy pleasing as much as being pleased. My callers consist mainly of these wonderful gentlemen. Yeah, I know it`s a rough life. LOL That being said respect, humour & hygiene are my biggest turn-ons. Display those attributes during your visit & attraction for me just naturally seems to follow no matter your age. Sandi

To begin; As to your response in regards to the definition of family it would be prudent to read & quote the ENTIRE definition of said reference prior to posting an opinion. Since you have negated to do so I shall fill in the missing info: FAMILY: a. A fundamental social group in society typically consisting of one or two parents and their children. b. Two or more people who share goals and values, have long-term commitments to one another, and reside usually in the same dwelling place. 2. All the members of a household under one roof. 3. A group of persons sharing common ancestry. See Usage Note at collective noun. 4. Lineage, especially distinguished lineage. 5. A locally independent organized crime unit, as of the Cosa Nostra. 6. a. A group of like things; a class. b. A group of individuals derived from a common stock: the family of human beings. 7. Biology A taxonomic category of related organisms ranking below an order and above a genus. A family usually consists of several genera. See Table at taxonomy. 8. Linguistics A group of languages descended from the same parent language, such as the Indo-European language family. 9. Mathematics A set of functions or surfaces that can be generated by varying the parameters of a general equation. 10. Chemistry A group of elements with similar chemical properties. DETAILS MATTER! Clearly this was the intention of SecretAdmirers post. NEXT POINT Definition of GENERAL1 : involving, applicable to, or affecting the whole 2 : involving, relating to, or applicable to every member of a class, kind, or group <the general equation of a straight line> 3 : not confined by specialization or careful limitation 4 : belonging to the common nature of a group of like individuals : generic 5 a : applicable to or characteristic of the majority of individuals involved : prevalent b : concerned or dealing with universal rather than particular aspects If you do not want to encounter random vitriol in the form of many subjects simply avoid the General section & peruse only the specific forums pertaining to your personal areas of interest. Otherwise you get the whole ball of wax. FINAL THOUGHT I agree that they are few & far between & I for one welcome the respectful, caring, concerned aspect of this board. I have never felt more safe & secure in my role as an SP than as a member of CERB & I see great value in the allowing of ANY thought, feeling, fear, concern or rant from every person here. Whether I agree with it or not. Love & respect to you all,Sandi

I agree wholeheartedly Samantha. That is why I will be participating in Vancouver`s Slutwalk on May 15. This must end. Here is a link to their site to sign up. http://www.slutwalkvancouver.com Come on ladies AND gentlemen. Stand up and make our voices heard. Sandi

If you solicit the review it means nothing. Too bad because now that is your lasting memory of what seemed otherwise a nice time. The best way to compliment a lady is quite simple. See her again. I can see why you are a tad miffed. To ask? Tres gauche. :redface: When I read this I had a mental image flash through my warped brain & almost swallowed my Crest Strip lmao!! Sandi

I feel for your situation. My family years ago ` adopted ` my good friends co-worker & her son. She was an 18 yr old single mom & with an 18 month old child. She really had no-one else & it started out as a safe babysitting deal so she could dance at night without worries ( making great money to support him ) Within six months this gorgeous little man ran my parents house, bossed around our 2 dogs ( one a 135 lb Doberman ) & we just fell head over heels in love with him. Daycare, camping trips, sleep overs, Christmas morning...the whole thing. We were on the list to get him from school. He was family! Fast forward 3 + yrs... The mom got involved with drugs, bad boyfriend & legal problems. And couldn`t deal. She ran away to Chicago with him & we never saw either of them again. It still breaks my heart. It took us the better part of a year before we 4 adults could talk about him without crying. And you know what else? I WOULD DO IT AGAIN IN A HEARTBEAT. Because loving a child can never be wrong. There is a reason why this boy has come in to your life. Your daughter is an adult she can take care of herself. But be there for the kid & no matter what happens you will always be happy you did!!! I have regrets in my life but that experience is not one of them. Best of luck. Sandi xo