TheRiddlerMan

Read this and tell me if you still think that: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Government+prostitution+survey+full+loaded+questions/9517691/story.html This isn't a Conservative issue - the Nordic model is promoted by the left, by human rights activists worried about sex trafficking, certain kinds of feminists, etc. The people who march in favour of same sex marriage also support this kind of law. I doubt Harper cares much at all about this and wouldn't have touched it aside from the court case, but no way would he accept decriminalization on his watch. The best solution for him now is the Nordic model, which will have support on both left and right.

Speculation in the sense that no law has been presented yet, true. I think there's plenty of evidence to support the Nordic model going ahead, though. For one, Conservative MPs have been actively promoting this model to the press (I've read stories in the Citizen and CBC.CA to that effect), which given the control exerted by the PMO suggests that the government is planning this already and putting trial balloons out to see how the public reacts. The other thing is, the alternatives are either leave it alone and allow de facto decriminalization to stand or make prostitution illegal outright. The first option has zero chance of occurring with a Conservative majority running the country, and the other risks making them look like they're starting a GOP-style War on Women. The Nordic model allows them to "rescue" prostitutes rather than putting them in jail, and targets the least sympathetic (in the public eye) group involved, the johns. Everyone knows that guys who buy sex are either desperate losers, cheaters and/or borderline sex offenders. It's easy to vilify a group that's already despised (and let's be honest, the vast majority of us would be despised if what we did was known to those around us). Remember, this is the government that pushed the brain-dead American version of "law and order" justice, fill the prisons with harsh sentences and no room for individual differences. We know for an absolute fact that it doesn't just fail to reduce crime but actually increases it because of the effects the prison system has on those that go through it, but the government doesn't care. Compared to that, the Nordic model is progressive.

I've seen multiple reports in the media that this is exactly the route the government is taking as a result of the recent court decision. Sex workers are all victims regardless of what they claim, so go after the johns. Politicians don't do nuance, not when it's so easy to apply the usual labels. I suspect the Conservatives will take an even harder line than the Swedes did, and possibly make it a broader sweep (strip clubs, places like CMJ, etc.). So when this becomes law, what will you do? Personally, the life-destroying possibility of being charged is enough to keep me out of the game, especially since I think sites like this one would not survive (since it revolves around activities that will be illegal once the law passes). The risk just will not be worth it, sadly.

Enjoy the "hobby" while you can, they're going to put the hammer down. It's just a question of how.

The Nordic model is an abolitionist one. They don't want to make prostitution safer, they want it to cease to exist. Their view is that prostitution is inherently abusive towards women, so they are victims from the moment they enter the industry. Separation between good and bad johns are irrelevant - you pay for sex, you're committing an act of violence against women. That's how it will be sold, and it will be an easy sell for lots of reasons. For one, sex trafficking, exploitation and abuse do exist everywhere, so painting with a broad brush is not difficult when they can pull examples of the "sex industry" from every city. For another, it's not like the clients will be marching in the streets in support of their right to cheat on their wives. Legal or not, for the vast majority of us discretion is absolutely necessary. That leaves the sex workers themselves, against an array of human rights activists, NIMBY groups, organizations fighting international sex trafficking, feminists...not to mention a government desperate to change the channel from their own scandals and which needs to increase their voting share among women. Make no mistake, some kind of law along these lines is coming. It goes without saying that Cerb and sites like it can't survive that in its current form, since the client side of the equation will be illegal. Enjoy it while you can, keeping in mind that the police will have access to all information maintained front and back end.

Human trafficking will be the primary justification for the Swedish-style law they'll bring in if the Supreme Court strikes down the existing law. It'll have bipartisan support too, just as it does in Europe. France is in the process of imposing that kind of legislation right now, and its primary support is from the left. It will make great politics for the Conservatives - trotting out victims of sex trafficking will be a nice distraction from the Senate scandal. We should enjoy sites like this one while we can, once those laws are in place the criminal onus will be on the consumers.

Absolutely, some of what's said is almost malevolent. Ideally that kind of posting would be controlled. A basic "we're talking about people here, so be nice" policy should be enforced. Other than that though, I don't think it increases any risks or marginalization impact. I could be wrong, I've moderated some of my libertarian tendencies recently after reading up on privilege. BtW, as I said above I have no issue with Cerb's specific policies, just discussing review sites in general.

I have no issue with Cerb's particular stance on reviews, but I don't agree that reviews are inherently unfair and/or disrespectful. A service provider is just that, someone who provides a service in exchange for an agreed recompense. Hair dressers, lawyers and escorts all have that in common. Just as ratemymd.com provides valuable information to someone looking for a doctor, so do escort review sites assist those looking for a certain kind of company. I see no harm in looking for information prior to spending $250. That's not a casual expense, at least not for me.

I had my first visit with Lilly today. She's fantastic - beautiful but also very warm and generous and easy to talk to. She took care of everything and made me feel great, just what I needed after a long day's work. I will definitely repeat.

Whenever two people spend time together the sky's the limit - but paying by the hour for the girlfriend experience is totally different from the real thing. The women here are service providers like any other, except instead of doing my taxes or providing legal advice they're building a fantasy. It's remarkable how good that can be, but rule #1 is that it's a service. Losing sight of that would be bad for provider and client alike. Relationships can still happen, but real ones form outside the bedroom.

It doesn't much matter what Canadians think, honestly. We have a Harper majority government which would never accept decriminalization of prostitution on their watch. If the courts strike down the current laws, expect new ones to be passed swiftly along the Swedish model. It'll be supported by that subset of feminism which believes women can't actually consent within a prostitution model, activists against sexual trafficking and the NIMBYs who think that decriminalization will lead to prostitutes on every corner and in their suburbs. It will pass easily and that will be that, and don't expect it to be revoked by a Liberal or NDP successor. It would have been much better if the challenge had never been brought, though they couldn't have known that at the time.

That's a depressing attitude. I think a lot of people here are paying for the experience, which hopefully includes getting to know the other person a little bit. I find that without a personal connection the "non-talking" part is very empty.

You're looking for a reasonable treatment from people who have no motive or intent to be reasonable. This is the government that is building more prisons and imposing harsher sentences along the American line, even though there's mountains of evidence that it's not only ineffective but actively counter-productive when dealing with crime. Compared to that, prostitution is a slam dunk for Harper. The Swedish model is probably the most "reasonable" solution on the table - they may continue following the American way and simply declare it illegal across the board. That's why I think it would have been better to leave this issue as is, though of course the ones who initiated the court challenge couldn't have known what the political climate would be like today.

Last night I caught the end of a W5 "expose" on prostitution. It was all about getting women out of the sex trade, with the usual carte blanche association of all prostitution with street walking, under age workers and pimps. They ended it by pushing the Swedish model of targeting the users rather than those providing the service. To me this illustrates how hard it would be to ever make a case to the public that prostitution should be decriminalized across the board. The women on the show obviously had been in awful situations, and deserve any sympathy and support they can get. At the same time, they're easily used as tools in the fight against legalizing prostitution. I really believe that it would have better to leave the current laws alone. It's far from ideal but even if the legal challenges go through at the Supreme Court level, I'm convinced that the Conservative majority will simply pass a new law along the Swedish model. When they do, they won't just have the moral majority types on their side, they'll have: - NIMBYs who believe that legalizing it will flood their neighborhoods with sex workers. - that subset of feminist opinion that considers all prostitution an assault on women and that sex workers are not truly consenting. - all those concerned about human trafficking of women from other parts of the world into Canada to be forced into sex work. It's that last group that gets the most attention these days. It's a rare day when I don't see another story about it. They almost universally push the Swedish model. Passing a law along those lines would be an easy win for Harper and I suspect it would have NDP support as well. People can quote papers and statistics all they want, but it's popular perception that ultimately matters, and that perception is conditioned daily by seeing abused women with an accompanying byline that ties their abuse to prostitution in all forms. There's just no arguing with that.

I had the pleasure of seeing Emily today, the first time at her new location. It was just as good as it was at her old spot. She is not only beautiful but easy to talk to and very, very sensual. I will definitely be back.

I had a great visit with Alexandra Sky today. Her new location is nice, but honestly I only had eyes for her. It was a great experience from start to finish, and I left with a smile on my face. She's beautiful, passionate and intelligent, the triple cup of this hobby. I will definitely repeat. She can be reached at [email protected].

I had the pleasure of seeing Alexandra the other day. She was exactly what I needed. After we got acquainted with one another, she took me away from the day to day for a much needed hour of being treated like a king. I will definitely be repeating with her.

Thanks for the different perspectives. I would never want to do anything that made someone else feel cheap or cold, so I'll avoid that.

I'm wondering what the general consensus is on these. They're offered by a fair number of service providers these days, but I don't remember ever seeing them even a few years ago. The lowered cost and time constraints makes them appealing but I've noticed that eventually some of the SPs that do provide that service eventually stop doing so.

For various reasons I'm often awake in the early hours of the day (from around 4 AM onwards). Obviously most sane people are asleep, but are there any SPs who aren't and would actually take clients then?

I had the pleasure of seeing Emily over the Thanksgiving weekend. She is great, very friendly and easy to be with (not to mention hot). She gives a nice massage and a fantastic finish. I'll definitely be repeating soon.

I agree that it's not good to negotiate, but since I am only looking for particular services I don't see a problem with asking about them. I'm not looking to get something on the cheap, just to see if what I like is available.

I saw Bethany early last year. She is very friendly, beginning with a shared shower, excellent massage and then a really nice release. She has a very soft and sensual look, with fantastic breasts (always a good thing). I haven't had the opportunity to visit lately but I'll have to do so soon, especially since her new location is closer for me.

I had the pleasure of seeing Cleo last summer. It was only for 15 minutes but she more than made it worth the time. She is very friendly and passionate, and I do like the tattoos. I am not a "full service" guy but I still had a great time, with an excellent release. I hope I can see her again, this time for longer.

I've seen her twice, the last time early last year. She is the friendliest of the MAs I have seen here, I enjoyed the talking almost as much as the massage (well, maybe not). She definitely knows her stuff, with possibly the best release I've had. The massage actually worked out some kinks in my back too. She is beautiful too, with a smile to die for and a nice lean body. I don't know if she's still active, but if so I'd love to see her again.