backrubman

15 minute sessions have to be all about sexual gratification, a naked assumption on my part (I agree) as I like porthos would never go there. So it can leave us with the false impression that the lady is all about offering sexual gratification and this is not what some gentlemen are looking for. I say false impression because you are absolutely right Christine, she may be the most wonderful companion for a 4 or 5 hour appointment which could even include sexual gratification but I have to agree with porthos that it doesn't give us that impression. Another aspect of it (even if I was a fan of 15 minute appointments or had even tried one) we do well recognize the lady has to dedicate probably more time than that to being ready for our visit. As a gentleman I don't want to even ask that of a lady. He's no snob and neither am I. And I know for a fact that you are a Porsche :)

I have to say that most ladies here are SPs (or MA/MP) but we do know that many ladies advertise for and have female clients. I suspect most of them find the ladies though an agency or a site like EC or heaven forbid the newspaper ads. Of course you'll find many of the same ladies on EC and other places as you will find here. I think this is a wonderful place for a client to come as you have so much more than just an ad to go on, not only can you read her recommendations, review her profile but you can with a couple clicks chase down every post she has ever posted and get a much better idea of who she is (in a "her still anonymous" way) and how reliable she is and her views on the world. So it's a great place for a client to come, much better than the alternatives IMO. Now as for the gender of that client, well, the "other" ladies looking to met a lady would do well to come here also and maybe some do and we don't know about it because they dare not post so you seem one step ahead of them. In any event, you couldn't be more welcome here, even if you are the minority and there aren't many female clients here (just yet).

Now, now... be nice :) I had already used the "hot enough to melt a Newfoundland iceberg" expression in another thread and when this lady does the lip biting thing it's even more impressive than what I was talking about there. Just the same I can see it not making sense to you not having witnessed this with your own eyes. In her case, probably has to be seen to be truly believed and even then it is quite unbelievable :)

Yes, great link Phaedrus. Of course after it says it is not possible it then goes on to suggest some ways it is, some of which could be applicable to CERB while others are clearly not. The suggestions here being of much greater value as they are specific to CERB. I agree it is a challenge but we are making progress.

Yes I know one CERB lady that does this at some point without fail. She looks right at you in such a sweet innocent way, bites her lower lip and it transcends by passing rational thought (does that too) but in fact it could be the explanation for global warming :) The moments we live for.

Oh we do so like welcoming new ACTIVE members. So welcome! No worries, you'll piss someone off sooner or later, seems we all do (well I'm sure I have), but even when that happens it's nothing to worry about too much about. I lived to tell about it :)

Yes, you got my point exactly. Do we go with the unknown just because we want to see as many ladies as possible with obviously varied results (some excellent, some not so much so)? Or how about the tried and true, faithful and loyal "professional" friend that knows just what you need and you already know she is so great at providing it. Recently, I saw a lady I had seen before but I was running on two hours of sleep from the night before (for reasons totally unrelated to anticipation). I wasn't with her 2 minutes when she said "You look so tired today" and then she proceeded to switch gears and treat me like a King. I have to say I felt so pampered, so appreciated, so wonderful. It is obvious to me that someone new just wouldn't know me as well and know to do this, so I'll be back to visit this wonderful Goddess again and again and choose her above the "unknown" whenever possible any day of the week :) Thanks again for that my loyal and wonderful "professional" friend, you know who you are :)

Thanks sandimoon. I think the point I was making is that it was caught (in this instance) more just by chance and random circumstances rather than a strict procedure that everyone applies consistently across the board. I "know" for a fact that some ladies ask for references and then don't always get around to actually checking them (and I suspect with some never at all) as long after an appointment were a lady was used as a reference I will see the reference lady again and she may ask, "Did you get to meet so-and-so? I know you gave me a heads up you were using me as a reference but I never heard from her". Yes, but I still worry for the ladies safety because it takes a kind of double cross check to keep this from happening. If a lady gives me a reference and hasn't been forewarned by me that one is coming and I'm the one initiating it, then it's pretty meaningless. CERB is great, but it is so easy to pick a reputable CERB member's handle, say you are them and use a lady they wrote a recommendation for as a reference. In my case the bad guy wasn't even this smart. It has happened not just to me but to others as well. So we know and understand the demands on a ladies time and if I want an appointment later today or tomorrow (that would be rare but in the case of a cancelled flight pr change in travel plans it could happen) then it doesn't give time for reference checks anyways. So if it happened twice I know of and was caught only by chance (or bad luck for the bad guy). I do wonder how often it happens and they get away with with it and therefore how effective it really is. I always use real information and expect the lady to be discreet with it. Then, when I first meet, I always produce my drivers's license or passport... there is never any deception on my part and I really don't mind jumping though any hoops or doing anything else the lady may ask of me because I want her to feel as safe and comfortable around me as she possibly can. Of course we are starting to get a little off topic or perhaps not, I think screening procedure and complying with them fully are part of "Contact Etiquette" :)

I couldn't agree more Gabriella. We can never be too safe. Of course I'm not going to disagree with fortunateone's approach either, it obviously works well for her and is the way she prefers to operate. I understand it all, the references are very important, IMO. Go to this intersection nearby and then call to get the final in-call address when you are there, and when I do I am quizzed you on what I see next to the laundry mat just to make sure I am now calling from the corner I say I am now at (kinda right out of a movie). As an exercise and after the fact, I did retrace my steps a day or two later in a virtual sense (using Google maps street view) to the same intersection and would have been able to answer the skill testing questions just as accurately from a thousands of miles away so I wondered about the effectiveness :) I got the point but the method was ineffective. Call from the hotel parking lot to get the room number (like I was going to carry out a surveillance operation if I had known the room number two hours or even a day ago). I agree with it all, I comply, it's not complicated. Just makes me wonder if there is a better way, a different way or a different approach. Not saying any of it is or is not necessary (that is always for the lady to decide), just troubled as it isn't necessarily effective.

I think you make a really excellent point. If we're not fussy, but of course if I really want an appointment with you, calling and expecting to get one and be on my way to visit you in 5 minutes has a high probably of failure. Of course that leads to the question of how you can possibly check references and cross check my identity (that it really is "BackRubMan" calling) in 5 minutes? You can't, so I guess you're really saying you don't screen your clients? I suppose many gentlemen appreciate the convenience of being able to set up an appointment in that manner but I prefer to be a repeat client, always going to visit someone I have visited before and know. I only step outside that circle when someone really catches my interest or even more likely when my first choice is clearly unavailable. Scheduling being what it is (for me) nothing finer then having a confirmed appointment at least a week in advance when I can. And I do appreciate the ladies that want to know things about me so we can make a better connection. Perhaps the less hassle way is worth the extra risk of no screening, I couldn't say. Food for thought.

Maybe it's a little like Walkabout Creek in the movie Crocodile Dundee were you live: Sue Charlton: People go to a psychiatrist to talk about their problems. She just needed to unload them. You know, bring them out in the open. Michael J. "Crocodile" Dundee: Hasn't she got any mates? Sue Charlton: You're right. I guess we could all use more mates. I suppose you don't have any shrinks at Walkabout Creek. Michael J. "Crocodile" Dundee: No back there if you got a problem you tell Wally. And he tells everyone in town, brings it out in the open, no more problem.

Great idea! And maybe even both at the same time if the ladies are willing :) Seriously though, going back and forth a bit to find a match between our respective schedules, it's almost always pretty obvious to me when a suggested date and time becomes a booking and if she doesn't specifically say it then I do to the effect of "Fantastic - I now consider this date and time to be a firm booking, please confirm". If I've already heard back from the lady (so she is actively communicating) and several days then go by without a response, in the absence of a firm booking, there should be no issue with moving on or if time is on your side to send her another email or PM, even a very polite "time fuse" one. Some ladies are so pestered with PMs, emails, text messages from people that are not serious that they have a hard time keeping track of it all and can easily overlook that you are not just another time waster. I may sometimes communicate with a lady for other reasons (rare if I haven't met her) but I could be looking to fill in some missing information I couldn't find on my own (and I do try), but if I mention I am looking to make an appointment, I am really looking to make an appointment. I think a lot of these "problems" come from the fact that so many cold contacts do not become serious inquiries - mine are always serious. Never ever would I want to waste a lady's precious time.

I'm only guessing but I'll bet it's a good guess to imagine that the ladies spend an almost equal amount of time communicating and setting up an appointment as they do with the actual appointment. Just how long does it take to exchange 4 or 5 emails? Check references. When I see a lady for the first time for 3 or 4 hours, I wouldn't be surprised to learn she had spent just as much time communicating, checking references, getting ready and getting there. When we account for no shows and cancellations and most gentleman wanting shorter appointments, I'd say she'd be lucky to have spent as much time off the clock, behind the scenes as she does in my presence. We need to keep this in mind. They give so much and ask for so little in return.

It is membership a very elite group, the 4th member to make it there at this time. Unquestionably it speaks to the way she speaks. In fact it is a good opportunity to look at the top ten reputations again (and every so often), they are all such wonderful people with such great words of wisdom and advice. I haven't yet had the supreme pleasure to meet Gabriella in person but I can say that when she speaks here, I listen. Of course RoamingGuy couldn't have picked a better wife (or was it the other way around) :)

I read and interpreted the thread quite different actually. It seems most don't care about age but more about attitude. I can assure you that caring about the attitude of the client is totally unrelated to age. Older clients are sometimes jerks with bad attitudes also. Obviously some more mature FS SPs do care and have a limit or age range of clients they prefer (always the ladies right to visit or refuse to visit anyone for any reason or no reason at all). Yes, some related some immature attitudes from their actual experience, not surprising that younger people are sometimes less mature but I wouldn't make it as a generalization that applies to all younger people and I didn't see anyone doing that. Personally I'm a little puzzled about an MP/MA caring what age you are, even if you were "underage" you could well benefit from a nice massage. With an SP the circumstances are obviously different.

Yeah, for me personally it would be outside my comfort zone for a variety of personal reasons I'm not obligated to disclose. But I'm sure that those that do go will greatly enjoy it a lot (some have mentioned they are looking forward to it) so just because it's not for me (personally) doesn't make me think anything less then it is a fantastic idea! I'm sorry you choose to feel "blackballed" and obviously you still don't get it. I am certain your expression of interest was declined in a most polite way, so it would seem whoever did made the right choice. Of course attacking me by saying I don't have a right to my opinion just because I couldn't go even if I was invited and wanted to makes it very clear (to me) you probably shouldn't be there either :)

I'm going to take a bit a liberty here but I'm pretty sure I am correct in my assumption that the ladies would much rather spend their time with a "a 51 year old, bald headed, bit of a belly, eyeglass wearing gentleman" that is respectful rather than a guy that looks hot like [insert whoever you like here] that is a jerk with a poor attitude. It's not your appearance, body or even clothes that make you sexy (true of the ladies too, but it does help more there but still doesn't make her a lady in and of itself), it's your attitude, hygiene, being respectful, friendly, understanding. That's what makes you who you really are.

No, not offensive at all (IMO), rather darn funny! I had a great laugh! You said it like it is! Yes, I commented your post was coarse and harsh (and it was and it needed to be because life is sometimes like that) and I agree with it (almost completely: except if she isn't doing it for him, the little blue pills aren't helpful so it won't matter if he forgot them) :) No, it was a GREAT post!!! Like so many of your other posts. Nothing inappropriate or offensive at all. It needed to be said, thanks for saying it in such a wonderfully humorous way. And thanks for the laughs from a couple of thousand miles away!

I always have extreme patience in these matters. Once it happened to me, after a couple of days (seems 72 hours after first contact, e.g. hearing back from her initially is reasonable) I had to move on. Eventually the clock has to run out though, you can't wait forever. I did hear back from hear eventually and it was a family emergency. I fully agree that she has to take care of the more important business (her family) first! And when she did eventually get back to me, I was straight and told her, so sorry about your family, hope all is well but I had to make plans to match my schedule and she understood.

Congratulations for sure. Quite frankly, I find your posts "unusual" (in a nice way) :)

Well as far a bringing attention to yourself, I know most hotels don't know, don't want to know and don't care. Even if the manager was a "holier than thou" sort and did make it his business he'd be dammed if he even insinuated that someone was doing anything if they weren't and even if they were, they clearly weren't as he has no way of proving it so they'd just be bringing on a load of hurt. If you don't give them trouble, I see no chance they would ever give you any. With regard to hotels knowing what is going on: (true story), so I'm sitting in the hotel bar having a nightcap and approached by two ladies with a lucrative offer. So you know if it seems too good to be true it probably is, so I politely as possible decline (and say nothing of my concerns) but they read me like a book. I didn't say it, but I was thinking, yeah, I go up to your room and there your friends await to relieve me of my wallet. So I guess they could tell I was tempted. Anyways, next thing the hotel manager is coming to see me at the bar. He assures me that these lovely ladies are of the most outstanding reputation and that if I am at all so inclined I should take them up on their offer as he vouches for their good character. Ok, so maybe he gets a kickback for his endorsement but the point is this was a pretty high end hotel and the manager knew darn well what the ladies were up to. Oh, and he also assured me that if I wasn't interested he'd make sure they didn't bother me any further. I take oath and so swear it's true. On another occasion I check into a hotel with an SP and she must have been known to them, I got a 'wink' from the guy at the front desk :) SPs are a hotel's best friend. Sorry for the hijack, hope we get back on topic now.

Well I can't speak from BlackBerry experience but Tapatalk for BlackBerry is said to be compatible with all BlackBerry devices. http://tapatalk.com/mobile.php I find it works very really well on my Android and it's a lot better than trying to access CERB on a mobile browser (which kind of like trying to play tennis in a closet). Their site says it is available on Blackberry App World.

I think hotels know and understand full well how important this industry is to them. There has been a very good relationship between them and SPs for a very long time to their very mutual benefit. When a lady asks for extra supplies like fresh sheets or towels and wants to take care of keeping the room clean herself they (the housekeeping staff) are more than happy to give her anything she wants, especially if she gives them a little tip and the big bonus is that they don't have to clean that room, on to the next one! Of course they are certainly under no obligation to play detective or suspect someone of being an SP. If they did, wow could they be dead wrong and much more liable for it than if they were right - darn well better be able to prove it ... not like that is provable. I suspect they could care less except that they do like the business and what of a few extra sheets and towels. Could mean anything. Additional comments: Guess I shouldn't take phone calls when I'm in the middle of composing a post. I note that Katherine gave almost the same answer while I was on the phone :)

I always bring my own soap. But in the case of an in-call I have a clear expectation there will be a clean bath towel. In fact, a touring SP recently mentioned to me that she never allows the housekeeping staff to enter her room for the entire duration of her stay, no matter how long it may be and does all housekeeping herself. She does get extra fresh sheets, towels and supplies from them and always changes the bed linen to absolutely fresh, making up the bed herself before an appointment and when you think about it, I think that is kind of neat. They (housekeeping) only spend 10 or 15 minutes at it, I could tell she does a better job than they would and it's appreciated. Similarly, if it is an out-call to my suite I do probably spend an hour making sure everything is as perfect as it can be.

Only with her permission of course, and somehow I doubt that an SP would give 'carte blanche' permission to use her as a reference as it is by extension an endorsement. Just the same I can easily see a few posts happening here that Max Luther saved the day for me :) and even offering to allow people PM the poster if they doubt your integrity. Well I think you probably could have fixed the "Evil Repair Shop" situation and saved the SP from the costs of buying a new computer when the only thing that was wrong with the one she had was evil (and apparently hard to find) software was present. It was probably something as simple as log-me-in and then mess with the registry so that it no longer shows up in the list of installed software under "add/remove programs". Maybe a few other tweaks to ensure it doesn't show up in the task bar, but you or me would be able to pop up the task manager and probably find it pretty quickly. Thanks Max, I'm glad you understand my point of view. I have helped more than one SP with their computer problems but only after earning their trust. I also do it for free, but it's more like helping a friend (a "professional" friend, but still a friend) out. When a stranger offers services to anyone for free, well, sorry to have to be suspicious of that. To bad we didn't still live in a time when the farmers barn would burn down and the whole community would show up a few days later and rebuild it, better than ever. Well the Amish still do that but then they choose to be locked in time long since past. And I hope you are able to be helpful!