backrubman

A very warm welcome to what we hope you will find the kinder, gentler and friendlier place to be. I've always been impressed as so many here will even go out of their way to be helpful.

Oh I do love cowgirl. Er, ah, oh, I mean cowgirls :) That too.

A lady once put some music on and gave me a lap dance that would melt a Newfoundland iceberg :)

Even with social events put aside (just for a moment), some ladies have an hourly rate and then a highly reduced rate for additional hours. They recognize that rather than charge the full rate for the 2nd, 3rd or 4th hour, a lot of the rate for a one hour appointment was to properly compensate them screening, booking, getting ready, getting there and even the danger pay they so much deserve for dealing with some of the hazards. So whenever I see this graduated scale for additional hours I am impressed. A 4 hour appointment probably isn't going to involve any more work (on station) than a one hour appointment, just additional time, so why squeeze it into an hour and then go home and be idle making no further remuneration? Oh course I think it is only reasonable to assume that if a gentleman books 4 or 5 hours of purely social time, one of the hours at least needs to be higher to cover the costs of getting there or getting ready and dealing with all the other aspects of setting up an appointment. It is also reasonable to assume that he may, having planned only social time become more interested in something more. So as long as there is good communication and understanding of the lady's expectation for compensation and what the boundaries are or can be changed to I think there is no life like it! Some ladies offer something similar to this when once a month they get a visit from nature and make it both discreetly but clearly clear that FS is not available and why this is so. In some ways I find these appointments desirable as I understand her temporary boundaries but it's a lucrative way to get to know her and for her to get to know me. I agree with RG though, the clients never set the rates, gentlemen never try to negotiate one, I even find it uncomfortable inquiring as to what it is but it beats getting it wrong if it isn't completely clear to me. So I usually have to ask her very directly (web sites can be out of date) and if she can't tell me, or I get a wishy washy answer then I have to move on.

Missing is any opinion or comments from the exploited ladies. The demonstration and outrage seems to be limited to the perceptions of the demonstration organizers. I know some travelling ladies that willingly travel at their own expense to cities and events where they think (and hope) their services may be in demand. In my younger years, I would on a very casual basis drive taxi but I never missed new year's eve. Always busy, go go go and good tips! So that one night I would earn more money than the rest of the year - didn't feel exploited working such extra long hours in the least, I was only too happy to be of service. Is this any different? Hmmm....

It's what keeps agencies going, more than some ladies are unwilling to try to manage on their own. Your little insight into some of what they go through is quite valid, but now imagine that success is required each and every day to pay the bills and imagine that some times there will just be no interest. So when I do make an appointment, I do it as well as I can to make it as smooth as possible and take as little of her time as I can. IMHO, they give so much of themselves and ask so little in return.

I respectfully disagree. Saying that the political powers will never allow legitimacy of sex work is incorrect. It has never been illegitimate (or illegal) in Canada. Rather existing laws (some of which have been struck down but remain in place waiting for a decision from the Supreme Court of Canada) only ever attempted to control the nuisance factor or protect sex workers. Unfortunately it has been proven in two courts of competent jurisdiction that the laws as are they are make the work less safe but in no way illegitimate. This work is just as legitimate and any other. The Charter always applies to everyone and every individual. Of course the conundrum here is that the existing prostitution laws, Charter and Human Rights Act when combined and applied to this particular "problem" clearly come up with different answers for each side of the argument. Then when we mix in a little jurisprudence where the government has no business in a bedroom of two consenting adults and no tolerance for anything that is not consensual you have quite a conundrum. Clearly the lady in this case has a right to her own individual selectivity (whatever her reason may be) and the agency does not, or perhaps they do by extension but dare not due to appearances. Can she be legally dismissed from employment? If she was dismissed and challenged it, I think it would make an interesting, if not very messy case but I do see the agency point of view here as well. In fact I have to agree with both opposing points of view.

Yes, sincere congratulations Angela, always enjoy reading your posts and learning from your wisdom.

I love the idea of a social and fully support it. That said, you won't be seeing me there so if BackRubMan shows up, please someone kill the impostor for me would you? At least expose him as an impostor, whack him over the head with a wine bottle and kick him out. Ten ladies eh? And he is nervous about meeting one? Hmmm. There are so many people here I would like to meet but for me personally, believe it or not, I haven't got the guts to attend one (at least not yet), but no worries, I am out of town anyways. Chances are there will be at least one lady there that would know me anyways and know an impostor was an impostor :)

No, that doesn't work but the official listing seems to be "CERB - Canadian Escort Recommendation Board" so a search for more than 9 characters (my search was "Canadian Escort" and worked!!! and brought up CERB as the only result found). Your efforts are much appreciated by all I am sure. Actually, although it's only what you find above it is worthy of mention that 99% of my access to CERB is from a regular, standard, full size browser but when I do access CERB via TapaTalk I need it (e.g. not near a computer I can trust and need to send a PM), etc. So my point is that likely the number of accesses with Tapatalk on mobile represents a much larger portion of users than the simple numbers would tend to indicate as probably no one uses it exclusively and in fact, only when they have to.

Yes, you can even cut and paste a 'w' from some where :) People do! Until you get a new keyboard of course. If it is a notebook, then even these are pretty easy to get a new replacement keyboard for on eBay but ordering the right one and replacing it is not and job for anyone other than someone used to doing that. We find it's usually just dirt or debris and can be often be brought back to life anyways without having to replace the keyboard in the case of a single key failure like this. Until then if using a windows PC, holding down ALT while pressing 87 gets you an upper case W and ALT 119 gets you a lower case w. I _ish you _ell in getting this straightened out!

We hear of this from time to time and I do understand where you are coming from. In fact I find the contrast quite interesting. I can't wait to see a lady I have an appointment with whereas someone of equal intelligence, intellect and just as nice a guy but with no experience can become violently ill as the moment approaches (often much to his surprise). And to the ladies: I know no-shows are a real downer but please remember at least a certain small percentage of them are otherwise nice gentlemen that are completely paralyzed with fear at the last minute and they probably do agonize for days over having caused you trouble. I know it is no less trouble for you, all I ask is that you understand this can be sometimes the case with newbies. As a first timer, it is very unlikely you would be engaged in any intimate activity immediately after your appointment starts. So you might like to consider (lady willing of course and they often are) seeing her socially for a one hour luncheon or dinner date (at whatever rate she may require for this) and then if you decide to after that, see her more privately. Of course it is necessary to limit the conversation to appropriate material in a public place but that should go without saying. This changes the dynamics so much. First you do get to know each other a bit, then if you do decide to see her for intimate time you already know her so no surprises (as least as to her appearance, manorisms, personality, etc.). Some ladies do this, others do not. Never hurts to ask and it seems to be to be a kinder, gentler way of taking that leap of faith.

But it sure beats a mobile browser on a phone which is like trying to play tennis in a closet. Also handy if in a strange city and need to PM a lady to prove it is you (or at least prove it is someone that can log into CERB as you).

I can make similar rationalizations. As a financial trader we are a lot like airline pilots and need to be in he cockpit. Hours of boredom broken only by moments of shear terror! Oh, please don't get the idea I come here because I am bored, nothing could be further from the truth -- it is a most interesting place and a community of wonderful people. I just have to spend a lot of time in front of my trader workstation with it's array of 6 wide screen monitors, that's a lot of real estate with enough room for CERB too and it is a wonderful place to be when the plane is at cruising altitude and on course. Of course during times of take off, landing or managing quick course adjustments, CERB will be there in a little while once I have completed that task. But make no mistake, it is a very special place and I continue to learn, think and be challenged by some of the topics that come up here from time to time and feel fortunate to have found this place.

Just wanted to congratulate WrinkledinTime for achieving over 100,000 reputation points. Clearly a well deserved and extraordinary milestone and a CERB first! Yes, it true -- If you go to the main page under Top 10 Stats and select reputations it shows an amazing 100,259 at the time of this writing. CERB members come and go, some are a staple and continue to participate. With WIT I have come to rely on his many posts for keeping me informed on news affecting this industry but all his posts are most insightful, helpful and appreciated. Please join me in congratulating him! Oh, and as a bit unusual (as anyone that really knows me knows I am), I call on lurkers that might not have posted before to join me. Make your first post here count by congratulating someone who truly deserves our praise, respect and admiration for his contributions to this wonderful community, I dare you! Maybe you have been reading his wonderful posts for years but are not the type to post here? Than I ask you to at least say "thanks" :) Sincerest congratulations WrinkledinTime, I am glad you are around and hope you will be here forever!

I'm an animal lover. You didn't say what kind of small animal, but some people are very allergic to cats (not me) and I know some ladies do have cats, I wonder if they warn in-call clients ahead of time and if it ever creates any kind of issue for them? I really hate it when three or four cats all gather around and start watching me and the SP intently, I mean like staring at us for hours! Let's call it the "cat scan". Just kidding -- that never happens :) Of course any professional SP is going to ensure that their pet(s) don't get in the way or become a nuisance.

First I'd like to say that I do feel for you having to go though this emotional trauma and wish you a quick recovery from any lingering bad feelings. Let's hope she doesn't figure this out. Poor girl? Sorry, but it sounds to me like she is very rich and just doesn't know it. When you say "just a gambling addict" take it from me that substance addition can be easier to deal with. In fact, gambling addiction is substance addiction (endorphins) plus a whole lot more evil stuff besides mixed in there. My ex-wife had such a condition so I know of what I speak :)

Everyone has given such great advice here and yours seems a bit harsh and at the same time I find myself agreeing with it also (except I'm told by reliable sources that Plenty of Fish = Plenty of Nuts). I'm sure my perspective is a little skewed as I do have an impression based on experience that Service Providers can and do gladly and happily provide other than strictly sexual services. Several weeks of a platonic companion SP (she was too young, young enough to be my daughter, selected by others to be at my service but we had a blast always) and even several special requests to help handle scheduling emergencies, and some other odd things to crazy to get into here were all elegantly and expertly handled by SPs, they have gladly been of help (to me) in many non sexual ways. In fact, as long as they are properly compensated for their time they tend to really enjoy doing something usual (unusual in that is is non sexual and not what is usually requested of them), as long as you ask politely. At least that has been my experience. Ok, one crazy little funny true story (I do love telling them). So big emergency and a rush out to get out on the first available flight. I get home and my wife says "You didn't pack this suitcase, this way too neat and folded using techniques you wouldn't use and beyond your ability to do this and further more I know how much of a hurry you were in to pack it up and get to the airport, so who packed this suitcase?". Well, without any hesitation, "Oh she was the most beautiful and helpful lady, I asked her if she would do that while I was burning up the phones lines with the airline, the office, and trying to deal with this emergency". "Oh, how nice, hope you thanked her.", "Now you know me, oh course I did, yes, very much so". I though I'd get a lot more questions but oddly that was the end of it :) One thing that should be mentioned is the OPs post does indicate a lack of confidence around women, I think seeing an SP or two can help a lot with that and that shouldn't be over looked.

Have you considered some of the social dating sites? I can't speak from personal experience but I know a friend of mine was taking a nice lady on a dinner date almost every day of the week. Some of them were the addicted to sex types also :) Ultimately, after having met many nice ladies (and the occasional one with baggage), I lost track of how many but there didn't seem to be any shortage, he did end up marrying one of them and they have been living happily ever after. As far as engaging SPs in non-sexual social dates, I do it often. Most offer a "social" rate that is different (less) than their regular rate and I think this only fair as they need not charge the same level of danger pay for having a pleasant lunch or dinner date in a public restaurant as they do for meeting a complete stranger behind closed doors, but some do and that's fine also. Of course we both know they are promoting themselves (in the case of a lower social rate) by being social and looking for opportunities to offer their more customary services at the normal rate and nothing wrong with that. In fact I see everything right about it, because if I do ask the lady for a more private encounter then we both already know each other and there is a level of comfort and rapport already established so it always results in a better, more positive experience. But my purposes are quite different than yours. I want to avoid booking an awkward, lengthy encounter with a lady that I am for the most part incompatible with (and don't yet know it). Even more important, I want the lady to know who she will be spending this time with and ensure that she is comfortable with me. That crazy blind date nonsense and any nervousness associated with it of who is going to be opening the door (in-call) or who will be knocking on your door (out-call) is completely avoided in this manner and that is important to me. I should note that I don't do this looking for a lady I will never see again, I am always seeking one I will want to see again and again and develop a genuine "professional" NSA friendship. So can SPs be of help to you? I think so, if you find it affordable it is a date with a very pretty lady available on request and at your convenience and NSA too. Most ladies are far more special, kind, understanding, compassionate, intelligent than those you would meet anywhere else -- I guess if your ultimate goal is romance then there is a danger you will never find a regular gal that can measure up to the extra special ones you'll find here :) And if you find her irresistible after meeting her socially, then she won't have a headache when you see her privately (or if she does she will reschedule) :) And porthos makes an excellent point, it is a fantasy so she does have to understand what you want. I favor reality and never encourage a lady to laugh at my jokes if they aren't funny, but sure they so classy and more accommodating than reality. Additional comments: One thing I forgot to mention. All my life I couldn't make romance happen and find a new girlfriend when I wanted to but every time I gave up and stopped trying they quickly came out of no where and found me, odd but true.

Yes and he is also looking for an MA/MP (given the area where posted) as opposed to a SP. In Ottawa the street addresses for these services are openly printed in the newspaper and openly exchanged on CERB consisting of business frontage with signage. Of course Halifax isn't at all like Ottawa :) It seems a common error in these types of posting forget to specifically request PMs so a MA/MP (he is looking for) would have to "assume" it was not a faux pas to PM him. Some would make the stretch, others would have been cautioned before about unwelcome PMs and be reluctant to do so in the absence of a clear and present invitation.

Yes, I have heard of that, but never seen it. I pay Google to host my company email so the only graphic I see using Gmail is my own company logo at the top of the screen - no ads ever. But of course in this case when you use the free Gmail it's only the machines from SkyNet reading your email and displaying targeted advertising, when they become self aware I'll really start to worry :) But by then it will be too late. Oh yeah and Twitter and the quantitative trading companies using all the tweets to predict the stock market (and quite successfully I might add) are both making lots of money here. I irony here my friend (and I never miss the irony) is that I'm suppose to be smarter than the average bear about these things but if I didn't have such special and trusting relationships with my "professional" SP friends, I wouldn't "know" their real life, real world names and might not have noticed what was happening until it was way too late.

Well I'm glad you agree with me but I know it is a lot more troublesome for the agency than just "Post them and that's all you have to do". Her wishes still have to be handled discreetly so as not to bring on the wrath of people that feel it is simple racial prejudice. I do understand the dilemma for the agency and would even understand if she had to be replaced, could be any interesting case before the HRC :) One of my best friends is in a inter-racial marriage, I feel for him as sometimes they are discriminated against (his wife is from Jamaica and very dark skinned). They do unfortunately draw lots of undesired attention. If she is an escort perhaps she simply wants to be able to avoid drawing attention when doing the escort thing. Perhaps if she is seen with a client (by someone that knows her) she would like to always be able to explain it away as being with a potential boyfriend. Who knows? In any event, we can never and should not expect a person (of either gender or role) to have to defend in any way who they choose to be intimate with for any reason, including this one.

Well her reasons could be simple prejudice or something completely different, but what ever they are I respect her right to have them. In particular because this is posted under FS providers, I think it is every woman's choice to see or not see anyone they choose (clients also). Perhaps it isn't at all what it one might think, maybe she had an "African-American" boyfriend who treated her badly and she doesn't need to be reminded of this. Some more mature SPs won't see younger men? Hem, should we complain to the human rights commission based on age discrimination? In an intimate setting, racial prejudice is acceptable to me; (heavens, did I just say that, yes, I did and only because I am both stupid and fearless) but in fact it is the only circumstance under which I will tolerate or stand for it even if I don't agree with it. I think she has the right to discriminate on any bases she chooses (in this case only), most of which would be completely unacceptable under any other circumstance. I also think it is possible to not be prejudice but not believe in or be comfortable with inter-racial couples (when one of them is you).

Yeah this stuff happens. Not so bad with an unexpected text message, but if I'm driving along in the car with my disabled wife, taking her to see her Doctor and the cell phone rings, I can't legally answer it while driving so I just hand it to her to answer for me (expected and appreciated) for her to take the call and find out who they are and what they want :) If necessary, she'll dig out the Bluetooth for me. With me, once all the arrangements are final, they are final. I have offered to prepay or at least send a deposit along electronically and the lady knows my cancellation policy, if I had to cancel while I would do my best to let her know (if at all able), the only thing I guarantee is that she will receive (or in most cases already has) full compensation. In this case, it was prepaid completely, the room number had been received by text message an hour earlier along with "I'll be ready and waiting" and acknowledged. So the unexpected further attempt at direct communication was an alarm signal and even she agreed, I had every reason to be alarmed. There are new SPs and then there are SPs emeritus that are very easy to deal with. She is extremely smooth and easy to deal with and would never call me directly and unexpectedly unless it was a dire emergency. Of course I extend the same courtesy to her. But I have to agree with earlier points, SPs shouldn't call you without you expecting it. I don't think one ever has called me (except once by accident) rather I call them if and when requested to do so.

A very respected and discreet SP called me unexpectedly about 15 minutes before our appointment. As I know she is so über discreet and professional it was clear to me she was in extreme distress. But just in case it was abort protocol, before dispatching hotel staff and police to her suite, I tried to reach her and she had pocket dialed me :) We laughed about it but she completely agreed that an unexpected call from her would always be very very bad and mean something was crazy wrong (if it was on purpose) and I wouldn't have been over reacting in the least to have dispatched hotel staff and police to check on her if I hadn't been able to reach her. An SP making an unexpected call to a client is simply wrong. Never do this ladies, you could reach his wife, his co-worker, or give the poor guy a heart attack. If you must call him, it should be only when expected.