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I think it goes to the living of the avails change mostly. Historically, escort agencies were forced to arrange "escorts" and "massage" services and try to hide behind the thinly veiled argument that they didn't know or couldn't take responsibility for any activities that might occur between the escort and the client (consenting adults) to avoid being snagged by "the living off the avails" law. For them to openly say they are a "prostitution providing agency" would have opened them up to being charged with living off the avails. But now (because prostitution is and always was completely legal) they can't be in legal trouble for living off the avails, so they can do just that if they want to. So my concern was that we could now have the Expedia, Tavelocity, or Priceline.com type of prostitution providing booking service that no longer hides behind escort or massage services and just openly sells prostitution using the lowest price is the law mentality. And who knows, this could be a good thing; perhaps a lot of ladies that work for agencies would find their bookings through such a site at a much better price then paying an agency to find them work? The compensation for them might just be better? The entrepreneur part of me wants to get to work on this right away and charge the ladies $1 every time they get a successful booking from my web site and do 100 million bookings a year. The moral part of me wants nothing to do with it. I like things just the way they are "now" with the exception of the upholding of the communication law. Somehow it never failed to make me smile when one of the ladies asked me if I wanted a date as I passed by (oh sure I knew I could be a couple of hundred pounds heavier and very ugly and they would still have asked but it somehow never failed to lift my spirits). Unlike so many others, I never ignored them or failed to acknowledge them or ever shouted some derogatory profanity at them. Rather I would politely decline and wish them a good evening -- and sometimes when I was really really sure, I'd say "nice evening officer" :)

I think you are awesome Samantha, obviously highly intellectual and a most knowledgeable car dealer (and thanks so much for your comment on my guest book), I enjoy this discussion also. But I submit to you that you are not worried about the "other" car dealers because you currently sell Rolls-Royce and have a niche market. Taking your analogy a little further, remember the affect on the American car industry when intense competition starting coming from Japan? It almost ruined the American car industry and took some time for American car manufacturers to adjust. Many Americans and Canadians lost their jobs in North American car plants because someone else could do it cheaper and soon with equal or even better quality than GM, Chrysler or Ford. I just don't want to see service providers become a commodity item like hotel rooms (or cars). Hotels have had to lower their rates (and give Expedia a cut) and in the case of priceline they are selling any left over capacity at rock bottom "name your own" prices. Sure, people will still stay at the Royal York in Toronto or the Waldorf Astoria in New York or Whites Hotel in London but the majority of people will just search for the best price and value they can get. Could we ever get to the point that a service provider appointment is open for eBay style bidding on the Internet? Wow have I gotten some great deals there, items for 1/100 of their value. Service providers are real people, not inanimate objects like cars. An internet booking service that lists every service provider in a given city, her availability, her rates in comparison to every other and what services she offers, with the ability to sort by price and how soon it can be delivered seems "objectionable" to me but we do have such sites that help you shop for a new car that way. If and when it should occur there is no doubt it would put pressure on anyone that wasn't willing to participate and it would put pressure on rates as well -- or perhaps I am wrong (hope so) and it makes the world a better place... only time will tell I guess. If they do add "exploitative" to the new avails law then look out agencies when the judge hears how much of the ladies fee they are currently taking, he'll have no problem deciding this is exploitation and convicting them of living off the avails. Ah a brave new world now, and that was really my point in the first place. It doesn't change 12 months from now, it will slowly change over the next 12 months and over the next 5 years, isn't it fun to speculate on what might or could come of this? I'm just glad we decriminalized SamanthaEvans because we were so wrong to criminalize her in the first place, she has done no harm and bothers no one :)

That was an interesting story Samantha, of course it went down exactly as I expect it would, your initial apprehension being unfounded (but completely understandable as at the time you were technically a criminal yourself and I am relieved this is no longer the case). However unlike you, I do see a "good reason to be worried" and at the same time I look forward to living in a country that now will slowly evolve into a kinder and gentler place for service providers. One of my worries is that we could see a Travelocity, Expedia or Priceline style of booking agents pop up where the lowest price rules. It could not happen before as it would be living off the avails but now it can. I would hate to see this happen as it would mean intense competition for anyone that wasn't wiling to lower their price and lost business or anyone not willing to hop on board and I really believe in my heart and always have that the ladies are the only ones that can determine what fees are appropriate for them. I would hate to see this become a commodity like a hotel room as I don't see that of benefit to the ladies or their clients (just the online booking agent that gets a small cut and benefits from high volume). Inversely, I have always resented the portion of the fee an agency takes and thought it was too excessive compensation for what they do (even exploitative) so for this reason I have never booked though an agency. Now the agency can no longer "bake into the cake" the cost and risks of a possibly expensive legal defense (for doing something illegal as it no longer is) so they really have to back off what portion they take to something more reasonably reflective of their real costs with a more conserative profit or risk being "exploitative" or risk loosing all their associates to another agency that does take less and I think that is generally positive (except for the agencies of course).

I completely agree. My real point (perhaps not well stated) was that the law while still in effect technically, it is now highly diluted in that even if you do proceed with a charge (and the Crown technically can) they are arguing a case using a law that has already been determined by not one but now two competent Courts of Jurisdiction as a Charter violation. If it is put before the Supreme Court of Canada we will simply have three Court decisions as there was no fault to be found with the first two decisions (the upholding of the communication provision excepted). So while I agree we won't be seeing brothels on every corner I still think it is game over for trying to prosecute and persecute them any more, in particular I think it makes a single independent SP who was previously technically guilty of operating a bawdy house in her own home or residence now criminally fire proof and not 12 months from now but from this point forward. So she is better off and no longer a criminal this week where she might have otherwise been judged to be last week. While we still have a ways to go, let us also recognize how far we have come.

Do keep in mind that just because you don't see the cameras does not mean they are not there, in fact looking around for them could appear suspicious in and of itself. So I zoom in the lobby like I know where I am going and round the corner, and alas there are no elevators, it's the restaurant! So I study the menu, look at my watch like I am planning to come back to eat there and do a perfectly natural about face and now that I know were they aren't, I have a much better idea of where they are and find them easily like I knew all along. Of course coming in through the underground parking is fine also as long as you really did park a car there and have the right to. We have a camera in the elevator of one building I work in and I triple guarantee you can't see it but it can see you. Also several other cameras are well disguised and then we also have cameras that are not cameras. Just so if you do scope out where you think they are, fooie on you! Something as innocent looking an an emergency light often contains a camera also. So I always "assume" I am on camera and act completely normal like I belong there (because I do belong there).

You are very welcome, like I said pleased to make your acquaintance. I think CERB is the most incredible resource with the most neat, interesting and intelligent people that I have ever found gathered together in one place. Sometimes we can seem unfriendly (I know I've been misunderstood before) but I truly think it only "seems" that way sometimes and now I have a lot more understanding of this so it doesn't bother me much at all like it did when I first found this wonderful place. Back to the topic at hand as I'm trying to help you with your research (although CIM isn't for me and I'll die a happy man never having experienced it and if I ever do it will be an accident, but I don't judge either, maybe I know not what I am missing)... One way your question may have gone astray and is what several people alluded to that it is felt inappropriate to name names in public posts and I certainly have to agree with that, neither the clients or the SPs would appreciate public posts in response to your question that kiss and tell. The rules say "and if you ask the ladies to pm you they can (but only if you ask)" and you didn't invite any lady that wanted to discuss this to PM you, so perhaps if you make just one more public post that does ask for PMs then they will be able to PM you about it without breaking the rules. I know there are hundreds of ladies wanting to PM you about this but can't because it would break the rules (ok, so it's not quite April 1st yet) but there might be the one you are looking for that would PM you and I didn't want to wait until April 1st to suggest this :)

Yes and just like the onion router network known as Tor has been updated, so has the onion peeler engine that lays the anonymity of Tor to waste. An arms race for sure. It is obvious you do understand networking, I am most impressed the more we discuss the issues. I under estimated you (a mistake I will not make again) in that I simplified my examples into ones that might be easier to understand. I am a CCIE with a strong Internet security background (or was until very recently, now it's more of a hobby job and the Financial Markets are my real passion, but I digress) and obviously you have much more understanding of networking than any "typical" Internet user. Of course in these public posts we are speaking to a broader audience then just among ourselves. With regard to what can be achieved with the "execution of arbitrary" code (of any type) the obvious answer is anything a computer is capable of being programmed to do. I have seen many examples of someone simply visits the wrong web site (one with bad intentions) and poof! they have a virus. This virus then quickly invites 10 of it's closest friends to the party and they invite their friends. The most common of which is the "fake anti virus" type of infection or the ones that demand money for the removal. We have seen this with all popular browsers and again it is an arms race in that as soon as a vulnerability is patched a new one appears almost the next day. Yes, many people subscribe to the high performance, paid for VPNs so they can get content which is otherwise blocked or restricted and many of these services let you change your external IP address to one that terminates in a country of your choice (e.g. UK versus US) at will for just this reason.

I've been watching all this and biting my tongue. Directly from the rules and I quote: "Posting asking "Are there any ladies who offer xxxxxxx in this city?" (Ladies and guys can respond to a question like this) and if you ask the ladies to pm you they can (but only if you ask)" is a specific example of what IS ACCEPTABLE. So oparala left out the city (but then he did post it in the Ottawa discussion area) so his post is almost verbatim from the rules on what kind of post is an acceptable one. Anyone that didn't know the answer or didn't want to help him need not reply, myself included (because I don't know the answer) but I am now going to post in his defense because when he says "However i dont need anyone to tell me what i'm doing is lazy or to look into their ads because i already do. Thanks for your time anyway" this sounds to me like he got just a little beat up and that I don't like that because I'm the real friendly type and I don't think this is what CERB is about, I'm also stupid and fearless :) I also know that much of our communication is non-verbal and typed communication like emails and posts on CERB are so easily misinterpreted. Having said that, many replies (maybe even all) were people trying to help and quite polite and I don't think anyone intended to beat him up, but don't you get the sense or feeling from his last message that he might feel a little this way? So why not beat me up and leave him alone... now you have a new target! Or lets just assure him that no one meant to beat him up in the first place. That's the purpose of my post: Pleased to make your acquaintance oparala and I hope you find what you are looking for and wish I could help you. Oh and back on topic, any lady that offers BBBJ risks CIM, simple physics.

All CERB reputation points aside (as they are "virtual" and not "real"), Emily really is a double Goddess in the real world.

Of course they can. That's what Parliament does and any business that was not operating in accordance with these new laws would have to cease operations once they came into effect.

I get that completely. But with a two year back log in the Courts, a business started tomorrow, charged a day later, the case hits the Court room two years from now and the law under which the charge is based has gone poof by that time. Even if we assumed that 12 months will become 24 will become 48, we have a mountain of trial transcripts and a rulings that has determined the charge under this law is in and of itself is a Charter violation. So my point or question was: As long as the business was willing to crease and desist should it become in violation of any new law that hasn't been struck down I can't see a viable prosecution with a reasonable expectation of conviction being able to proceed? 12 months therefore becomes 12 minutes, it's just semantics :)

Which is a kinder, gentler way of saying it's toast now, not 30 days from now. Have you ever known a case to go to trial in less than 30 days? :) What prosecutor would dare try to take this on when he knows the law supporting his case is going to go poof in a matter of hours? Will it go to the Supreme Court of Canada? We will only know if and when the Government appeals yet again (to a higher Court and there is only one left) and then it is up to Supreme Court of Canada to decide if they even want to hear it. Tick-tock, it's a running clock. Better get those documents filed by the deadline. I can accept (even though the arguments were poor) that the communication provision was upheld, particularly when established precedents have determined that a web site is not a public place as defined by this law. So lets extend this to the other provision that has a 12 month life. Again, a mountain of evidence and a ruling that it is a Charter violation - no prosecutor wants to get wrapped up in that, if there is still something to charge the brothel with it will be a different charge by the time it gets to trial and you can't be charged with doing something illegal if it wasn't at the time. All the cases I have dealt with had a 30 day appeal period so after 30 days if we don't have an appeal to the Supreme Court I guess we can expect some enterprises to start up. No? Even a brothel that would start now and come in conflict with some new law that Parliament hasn't even thought of yet can't be prosecuted until they are still in operating in violation of this new law after it receives royal assent and takes full force and effect. Unless the Government or Parliament acts quickly (yeah right) it may be all over already and game on. Certainly yesterdays ruling creates a window of opportunity for someone to establish a business right away? I don't know how it will turn out but I do know the sky is not going to fall.

I'm, not sure it really has changed or is "quite a recent trend". If we are using printed Pornography like Playboy as an indicator then I agree it probably would tend to indicate a changing trend (but that's a limited or specific vantage point of view). It is just in keeping with it slowly (or quickly depending on your point of view) becoming more and more hard core until it just can't get any more hard core. For a while there the trend seemed to be more, more, more until there just wasn't more to show. I guess when you've shown everything you possibly can you have to cut the lawn to go that little bit further but I'm no expert on Playboy or such magazines as I have rarely reviewed one. As good as some of the written content may be (pictures aside) you can't really read it on a plane :) I think the clean cut was almost ever present in videos and with the SPs for a very long time now, it's just simply neater and cleaner. I have met more than one career minded SP that has invested in laser hair removal (no small amount of money, time or trouble) but then in the long run no maintenance ever again. As expensive and time consuming as this is for the SP, it ultimately improves their safety as well, never again an ingrown hair to become infected and become a vector for other infections.

Well you do have "one" Goddess. While she doesn't seem to make that her home base (which is wise) and travels a lot that this where she lives and she "may" see you in Truro (as her most recent ad for Halifax states). Just search the Nova Scotia Schedules and Announcements section for "Truro". You'll also find Truro gets some visitors from time to time also but I look at everyone that lives in Truro as lucky as it's only an hour to Halifax and lots of wonderful ladies there, Halifax is a 5 hour drive for me unless I am going there anyways on business and flying in as I often do. Of course out of all the cities in Canada, Ottawa is my favorite, so many friendly and classy choices.

On that topic, see this story, I swear it's absolutely true! http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=327080&postcount=3

Yeah, I think it would be pretty trivial in fact. Lets say your real IP (for the sake of discussion) is 1.1.1.1 and this is what I want to find out. So my javascript that I inject into the web page I send back to you (from my evil exit node along with the rest of the web page you asked for too) opens up a non-visible window (doesn't show on your screen or it's 1 pixel x 1 pixel and no border) and attempts to fetch the URL http://me-the-bad-guy.Ill-get-you-yet.com/log-this/1.1.1.1.75654. Why the 75654? Well now I can relate that token with your traffic I've been watching all along. Doesn't matter that the request to http://me-the-bad-guy.Ill-get-you-yet.com comes from some other IP address (even my Tor exit node) as your real IP I wanted is embedded in the URL you tried unknowingly to access and now in the log files on my bad guy web server along with the unique 75654 identifier. You get it? Your talking to an evil end point so I can do a lot of evil things to you. Yes, so much so and the reliance on javascript so great that right now most people turn it off pretty quickly after trying it. HTML 5 will let us do a lot more "javascript" type things without javascript but then there are already exploits in the wild for that too. It's an arms race and unfortunately we will always find more effective ways of killing people. The stuff I referred you to was older (but easier understood), they have made many more equally impressive advances at being bad since and the really good stuff is not in the wild but I'll bet you the Government has it. They sure had everything when I worked for them. Right now, we terminate off shore, out of the reach of bill C-30 and the National Security Agency and call it the best we can do. I used to watch attacks on our corporate firewall that were nothing short of "diabolical". I've seen packet captures that make my hair stand on end. Definitely don't trust Tor my friend.

Ok, you got me there and yeah I suppose I had more than a few of those in my life but never with a wonderful, beautiful, awesome and giving lady Goddess of the sort you find so many of around here. I wouldn't ever consider seeing one of them without hours of preparation (yes, I'm wearing a very casual T-Shirt and cargo pants to my next appointment but they are brand new, have already been selected, pressed and set carefully aside). I'll shower twice the morning of the day of my appointment and then again when I meet my companion. I'll look forward to those precious moments in time I spend with her for weeks in advance and look back with fond memories forever afterwards. I will have already invested four or five hours of my time in preparation before I show up and if it does just so happens that I don't "get off" as you say then it won't diminish the 4 or 5 hours I spent with the lady at all as that would only be 10 or 15 seconds out of 4 or 5 hours and is therefore pretty meaningless (to me). Guess I'm definitely not the quickie type when it comes to this. No offense intended to those that do enjoy a quickie, whatever floats your boat :)

A couple (friends of ours) many years ago mentioned this was a must for him as he was a city bus driver and found it beneficial (less sweat, cleaner), etc. and his good wife was always sure to help him with such grooming. Hasn't made my SO suspicious. Sometimes I am 36 hours "en route" to somewhere at the other side of the world and most airports don't have shower facilities. While I never feel "right" going that long without a shower, it does help a bit. Also if you are an office worker (or a bus driver) and spend a lot of time sitting... If you have an SO that will assist then best get her to and then she won't be surprised and wonder why this is so, at least not near as much. As always best place to hide is in plain view.

I glad you feel the way I do about this but I afraid it's too close to call. As the article says: "Prime Minister Stephen Harper has indicated previously that he would fight as far necessary to uphold the laws." (he does have a majority Government) and "Federal Crown counsel Michael Morris alleged that Judge Himel misunderstood the significance of evidence, paid heed to witnesses who didn't know what they were talking about and erroneously allowed herself to be drawn into a policy debate that belongs exclusively in Parliament" There is still a lot of misunderstanding and stigma associated with this in North America. I've been to lots of hotels overseas where asking directions to the nearest brothel wouldn't raise any more eyebrows than asking directions to the nearest store to buy a pack of cigarettes. Similarly, on my way into the hotel the Concierge would ask if I would like them to "arrange" company for the rest of the evening as casually as they would ask if I want them to summon a taxi on my way out. Of course we will know Monday but even if the ruling is upheld I'm afraid the Government may take it all the way to the Supreme Court of Canada, so it could be a long road yet. If the laws are permanently over turned at some point I for one don't believe the sky is going to fall as a result. So on Monday we only get to learn if the battle is lost or continues - I be quite surprised if the Government conceded and declared they won't appeal it further.

Great. Well I didn't know there was a paid for version of Hotspot Shield (there is or was a freebie version that would invade your screen with ads). So I'm not surprised that the paid version would be comparable to the VPN service I pay for. Strong VPN is well known for their speed and good technical support (not that I have ever had to use it) but if your happy with Hotspot Shield then I think it would come down to price and value. Can't be all bad at all if it is fast enough for Hulu and you have the added benefit of some extra security too so it's all good. Thanks for letting me know about this!

I hadn't really looked into Hotspot Shield until you asked about it (have now) but it is basically the same thing as paid for VPN services but it is free (Adware supported) so the down side is you get what you pay for (free - pay nothing get very little or nothing) but you do get ads or pop ups in return for a little encryption and the poor service and speed that can be expected from something that is free. I'd be less than inclined to intentionally install adware on my computer. Your question about combining this with Surf Easy, well, I wouldn't recommend it. Surf Easy as I understand it kind of wants to run in it's own little sandbox anyways and might not play well with something else. I guess combining two services would be like wearing two condoms, if one breaks the other might hold but then it's likely to be so tight they both might pop off :) The paid for VPN services are a must if you are going to use a Wifi network in a hotel, restaurant or anywhere else and care at all about privacy. So my best solution (the one I use): Incognito mode in Crome (saves nothing on the local computer, like Surf Easy), using a high quality paid for (but not expensive) strong VPN service like http://strongvpn.com/ and a Gmail account for email with two factor authentication (Google Authenticator) on your smart phone so your Gmail account password changes once a minute. Even if someone gets my phone and my notebook, they still need the passwords in my head. Note that if I seem overly paranoid it's just because there be dragons out there and it used to be my job to keep them out town. Really have nothing to hide.

What an excellent and intelligent question. Like anything and everything Internet security related the correct answer always seems to be something like "it depends". Tor uses an onion peel method so that as you pass though each successive node on the way to an exit node, the packet is once again encapsulated and encrypted yet another time. So as an evil exit node we are in general only going to know that we need to send the answer back to the node from which it came and not have a direct way of determining the originating IP but we can intercept all your traffic in the clear, even SSL as you now know. That said, many protocols make it easy to determine the original IP. Consider if you will sending an email from any popular email program like Outlook, Outlook express or Thunderbird. The SMTP (Simple Mail Transfer Protocol) session conversation starts with "this is who I am" from the originating computer which gets added to the message headers. To add insult to injury, the receiving email server is likely to say, "no, that's not who you are, just who you say you are" and add an X-Authentication-Warning to the message headers which will still contain your original IP address. Now, let's consider if you will someone that even knows this and therefore wants only to collect his email but send nothing. Well, even if one of those messages your computer downloads is a "bounce" because you muffed the destination address (or a transient fault at the far end) then your IP is in the headers of the bounced message. Outlook also has a common bug that can keep an outbound message "stuck" in your outbox until restarted, so you fire up Outlook and the jig is up. This is but one of many possible examples. Most all Internet protocols were designed in a friendlier time and often transport IP addresses as part of the data stream or payload and this includes many instant messaging protocols as well. FTP also and then maybe it has to go PASV mode (after trying the older method) but too late! Even a piece if malware or spyware on your computer you don't know about might reveal your identity every few seconds trying to phone home but alas, it's not one that is known to the anti-virus programs yet and never be so it can go undetected forever if it isn't too evil or too common. I know you reconize that compromised accounts are a "different kettle of fish" (and seem very security aware much to your credit as most people are not) but this is for the benefit of anyone else reading this post: Let's also consider what we can do with the credentials of a compromised gmail, hotmail or webmail account of any kind. We can log in and look at the headers in your sent messages folder, likely going to find it there from that one time you didn't use Tor. So I guess the answer is that it is difficult to imagine what you would do on Tor for very long that would not eventually result in someone running an evil exit node that does not know your real IP by some direct or indirect method and running your traffic over Tor is almost a guarantee that the bad guys will be looking at it at some point. I would rather surf directly in the clear and hope no one is watching (not that I do anything worth watching) rather than use Tor and know that someone probably is. Chances are if someone logs into any one of many compromised account types they don't even have to worry about IP addresses, they can order some books from Amazon on your behalf to your curb side address or if it is a personal bank account they might just let the bank know your new address so your statements go elsewhere :) Hope that answers your question. If not or you have any more, I am at your service. You are truly wise to recognize these dangers, most people prefer to remain ignorant. Additional comments: I gave it a little additional thought (the compromised accounts would be what most evil people would be after) on what the best attack vector would be if this was the goal and I guess I'd just answer your request for any web page (from my evil exit node) with just what you asked for except I'd inject or embed a little bit of invisible javascript code to phone home (to me) and let me know who you were straight away. Oh, running "noscript" extension (which breaks almost everything) under Firefox? How about a little piece of Adobe Flash code then? Guess I'm not as sharp as I used to be -- more of a Financial Trader these days and less of a security guru but it comes back. And you're right of course Phaedrus, no SSL or Internet security to worry about in Athens in those days but then they did have a Trojan Horse :)

Ah... Thanks Sophia. Well then in this case trying find an alternate route to bypass this kind of security is the worst thing I can think of doing (video surveillance is everywhere). Most hotels give me two key cards even if I don't ask so if I was staying in such a place, no problem to hop outside like I'm a smoker, very discreetly pass on the extra key card and room number to the visitor (in exchange for a fee envelope in the SP has the room case) and then do the mission through the lobby at slightly different times so no one can connect the dots on video. Oh, but what if I do that and the lady I gave the card to doesn't come calling? Just go to the desk and tell them you lost your key card; as soon as a new one is used the index number in the lock is incremented invalidating all previous cards.

Not to be a butinski but I can't help but wonder just what is wrong with blowing though the lobby like you are on a mission to get to your room and absolutely belong there? (because of course whether you are the lady or her client you do have business there and do belong there). Am I missing something? Sneaking past (avoiding) the lobby could make you look less like you belong there on video surveillance, couldn't it? I recently visited a lady at her hotel suite and this hotel charges everyone for parking except guests who are staying there and as it turns out I was staying there and didn't even know it :) Sorry. Just asking? Curious minds want to know.

sophia varoushka posted in the section: New Brunswick Service Providers - Schedules, Advertisements & announcements Excellent! I think this is awesome Sophia and definitely a step in the right direction. I read your complete post with interest and I can't see why anyone would have a problem with anything in it. I hope more of the ladies recognize your wisdom and follow suit! As a gentleman that invests time and effort in finding a highly compatible "professional" friend or companion, the last thing I want to hear when one of these fine ladies is coming to visit whatever city I happen to be in at the time is that she is booked. I'm also a believer in introductory luncheons, advance deposits and a clearly stated cancellation policy. I commend your new policy as only prudent, wise and perhaps still too liberal :)