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There you go, derailing the thread and making it about roads. This was not supposed to be a debate, but a discussion. I think you're being quite rude to the chickens and owe them an apology.

I enjoyed reading that Plato. Like you I think it's unlikely, but I think given enough time, I wouldn't be surprised that this issue were to pop up. (I'm talking decades, not years). There have been a couple of cases against someone in a service industry discriminating based on a criteria that everyone would assume rational. To be more specific, because I'm in the industry, we've talked about this trial a lot; a photographer was sued because she said her religious beliefs prevented her from taking pictures of a gay couple's wedding. She lost. (This was in US, in one of the states where Gay marriages is legal) A men's barber shop was sued because a woman said that she deserved equal access to their services. (This was in Toronto, from what I understand, the case is pending). In both instances, it's a hassle to the person being sued. And it's rare, and unfortunate. But lets tweak the circumstances a little bit, with conditions that does exist. In Toronto, there are a few 'private' escort agencies, usually a couple of friends pooling in their resources and running out of one website and number. One of such 'agencies' runs out of East Toronto, and specifically has a Caucasian only client rule. Now as a business representing a 2 or more ladies, the definition of a reasonable limit could change according to your perspective. As for accepting clients based on sex, I need to brush up in my law. I know that some gyms only accept female clients, so I wonder how what precedence allows for that. And whether it could be applied here, for selection of clients based on sex and other factors. Btw, anyone want a crack at the residential restriction that people want in the NZ model?

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I asked the question "How did you get into this business?" twice. Till I read that's a complete no-no. Since then, I've just let whatever woman I see take the lead. Some women have been remarkably open on what they share, and this is without any bit of prodding. One person gave me a big synopsis of her life story (it has been fascinating so far), one told me her school plans, along with her university and exact program, I've been told how many clients she saw and how much she made that particular day. Nothing that made me feel weird, just a bit surprised how open they were. I've seen people who are well reviewed, and well admired. So I'm comfortable sharing parts of my life, eventually opening up a little bit more each time. Basically stuff I wouldn't mind telling a friend. So in a nutshell, I start with the weather like any good Canadian. If I've seen her before, I'll pick up where I left off last time, and if she's new, I'll see if there is anything on her website that she mentions (a book, an interest perhaps). And if personal information is shared, I don't mind her asking questions, and drawing the figurative line.

If she's in the business long enough with a policy on race, I imagine that word would eventually get out about it. Cerb is pretty closed on the topics discussed, but on the other boards, they are extremely vocal. Or another hypothetical situation is that she turns someone away at the door after realizing his race. Or like some, she has it specifically stated on her website

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One thing I've learned in my years in Canada, no laws get changed without a ripple effect in other laws. That's the part in decriminalization that I've always been curious about. In my mind, I started to wonder about NIMBY groups and such, and checked out if groups like these sprung up in response to decriminalization. According to an unspecified poll cited by the New Zealand Herald, about 60%+ would vote to enact new laws to keep escort incall locations out of residential areas. I'm almost certain that following decriminalization, cities would rush to enact limitations for where this sort of business can run, effectively re-criminalizing a lot of incall locations run from private residences. Personally, I support removing the laws relating to prostitution, it's pointless. I support laws that go after traffickers and abuser. Why the two seem intertwined is beyond me. ------------ Another quirk regarding decriminalization is that the industry would fall under the Charter. As in no one could be discriminated against due to race among other factors. I haven't noticed it on Cerb, but on other boards that shall remain nameless, many SPs are quite specific on the race of the clients they are willing to entertain. It would be a rather interesting should one of those clients sue based on discrimination. Laws and their endless complexities fascinate me

I think my point of view has been represented on this thread, so no need to repeat what someone else has said. I was just surprised to read this. On one hand, I can't even imagine how awkward it would be to even approach this question, so I'm surprised people would ask, and on the other, if people do ask, does it mean that some women relent? My question is more academic than anything else. Every time I think I have this industry somewhat figured out, someone throws another curve ball.

Does not surprise me one bit. Coming from a place with no taxes, I joked that if we breathe extra air in Canada, there is a tax for that.

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Well there you go, taking this thread off topic! Jesus. It's people like you that makes the chicken cross the road, to seek greener pastures, hornier cocks, and chickens with delicious legs and breasts (and wings...) Hope you're happy Jabba the derailer

Turn ons: Normal clothes, or clothes she's comfortable in - I love a visual of a scantily clad woman, but I think I've come to a point where they all blur together into one huge image of boobs and ass, there is very little mystery. But a girl dressed in normal clothes, my mind goes to dirty places. While she and I talk about the weather or other appropriate Canadian topics, I start thinking about her naked, her skin, if she's noisy or quiet in bed, and other very indecent stuff. I do have a fantasy from time to time for something different, but for the most part, especially for first time visits, just normal clothes. If she is a runner - I have no idea, but girls who jog just make me horny. So if she tells me she runs, she automatically becomes sexier She jumps in the shower with me - Do I really need to explain this?? Confidence - I never understood why people told me women love this, but after seeing confident women, I totally get it now. Professionalism - Reasonable time taken to respond to emails. Sounds enthusiastic over the phone. Well thought out ads and nicely designed websites. The little things - I drink lots of water. After seeing Peachy a couple of times, she picked up on this, and whenever I came over, she'd have a glass of water ready. It's a really sweet thing for her, takes about 30 seconds of work, but creates such an amazing impression in my mind. Good skin - Nice to touch! Creativity - I love love love ads that are different I almost forgot! Biggest Turn on for me: Seeing her have a good time: And this doesn't mean faking an orgasm sort. Basically it's a satisfaction that she's into what she's doing, and I'm able to provide her with even a fraction of the pleasure she's giving me. I do the basic stuff, like try to scrub myself clean, be polite, on time, etc. But during the date, I try my best with daty, asking her what she likes, and massages. If she can enjoy her time, my job is done and I leave feeling like a champ. Turn offs: Unprofessional - One sentence ads, no response. Rigidity - I'm not talking about performing an extra service, or providing extra time or anything of that sort. And I'm being intentionally vague about this, but the closest example I can give is someone here slamming someone else about a question he asked, without looking at the right context. I made up my mind at that moment that I would not see her because despite her good reviews, all I would be thinking from that point on was that hostility. And it's a big turn off for me.

I don't know what the common consensus about that particular fetish is with most SPs, but FootFetishTess specifically advertises for this particular interest.

I'd like her to wear whatever she was wearing earlier that day. Even if is early and still didn't change out of her pj's. As long as her hair isn't a mess, and she's clean. I think the normalcy to it adds another layer of the experience. Unless I'm doing a shoot, most girls I've seen dress wearing jeans, t-shirts, summer dresses, skirts, or during exam season, last night's clothes. Seeing a girl just be comfortable in whatever takes away the SP/client dynamic, and adds a bit to just two adults having fun. Of course, I did request stockings once, and I wouldn't mind just once if she answered the door in her birthday suit (but I won't be requesting that).

Draped. I go in for my back, and I wear comfy shorts. I am not interested in my massage therapist seeing my butt for the entire session. We talk about a lot of things, and I consider him a friend. So I'll spare him a visual of my ass. If it was a female massage therapist, I'd have the same answer. Unless its someone I get in touch with here, with some sort of sexual element on the table. But from my massage therapist friends, they always say how uncomfortable it is for a client to strip naked, especially if they are female and the client is male.

I've seen two, and although they were very different, it would be impossible for me to choose one over the other. What they shared was that both were so enthusiastic, gorgeous, and nice ladies, so I always found my time with these ladies an amazing privilege and wonderful delight. But out of the two, only one is in Ottawa, (the other is in Toronto), so I don't mind giving out her name. The fabulous Peachy. If you see her, be a gentleman and have the utmost respect for her.

Wow! Didn't expect to read this. I don't want to tell people what to do in their business, but I've only had a pre-screen call once, and a reference check once. I'm wondering if that reduces the NCNS. And funny enough, I just opened this thread as I was calling to confirm an appointment for today, and it got cancelled. But the poor girl was waiting till now (agreed call time) to tell me because of a bit of a snafu. No harm no foul, she was extremely apologetic. It's the second time it's happened to me, but in both instances, the SP had the decency to call me and let me know it advance. I'm need to find a "Finding your soul-mate" thread next time I make a call.

Since it seems to have really pissed you off, kindly direct that anger to the correct person...me Wild Thing was nice enough to respond to my question, and had a bunch of follow up questions by other members. Yes it did go off topic, like many threads do, but perhaps not pointing fingers might be a more polite way to go about it. And feel free to bring this thread back to topic by responding to the OP. Honestly, I think you derailed it more :S

I think it speaks to the content that's allowed in other boards. Unlike cerb, they are review boards instead of recommendation boards. When I first started out, I never clearly understood why it was set up that way. Clearly letting a client share an honest review of a bad experience would be okay, right? But since moving to Toronto and seeing the board that's popular here, I miss Cerb a lot. I wish more Toronto women posted here, because it is so incredibly hostile there, that women barely say anything. No threats of bad reviews, no silly 1 to 10 ratings, no culture of explicit acts that seem to make a lot of women uncomfortable there (of many I feel are an exaggeration of the OPs' sexual abilities), and a prevalence of respect even though things can get a bit heated from time to time. I've seen Cerb be insulted a lot on other boards, for it's "pussy" stance. But if Cerb can get to the level of popularity TER achieved in US, I think it would result in a much different industry. Going back to the article, I do wish that the American escorts band together and make their own board, somewhat like the real estate industry did to create MLS. I know it would be a monumental effort, but a site created by women for women reduces the chance of exploitation by some pervert with no regard for basic decency.

Just curious about people's preference out here, how long do you normally like to book your date/session for? Personally, I've never gone for anything shorter than 1.5 hours, I usually go for 2 or 3 hours. I like taking my time and I love foreplay. I've considered going for a much shorter session (30 minutes or 45 minutes) for a singular purpose, seems dirtier and a bit taboo for me, but always end up changing my mind at the last moment. So to all you people out there, how long do you normally book for? Any particular reason?

I know that you've posted this with all good intentions, but here are a few problems with what you're providing. You're somewhat new here, and from the posts that I've read, you seem like an ordinary, helpful guy, but there are evil, vile, and dangerous men out there that can act the same way. Offering to take someone's pictures in an industry that revolves around privacy is sketchy at best. You've admitted that you're an amateur photographer. Being a good photographer is not about taking pretty pictures. Its an entire experience, and if you're taking one of the boudoir nature, then it matters so much more that you are well trained in providing a service that makes the model comfortable. Men have a disadvantage in the boudoir photography industry for obvious reasons, but word spreads if a certain individual is exceptional at his work, and has a completely professional approach that is completely opposite from giving off a creeper "I just want to see you naked" vibe. I'm not sure of what your level of experience is (so sorry if I've sounded presumptuous), but assuming you're giving this service for free, and like you said, you're doing this for practice, you're better off starting elsewhere. ModelMayhem.com is a valuable resource for instances like this, but keep in mind that models there will charge you for modeling if you don't already have a decent portfolio. It took me years of experience before I found myself comfortable with the idea of boudoir photography, and more time since then to actually charge for it. I'd recommend easing into it with people that are in front of a camera for a living before moving onto civilians (for lack of a better word)

Started because...well I explained that on another thread. Still doing it because a) it's fun b) I can get to try so many different things c) I'm single, young, and have the means. So why not?

:) Good on you mate, glad I could have given you hope. I grew up Muslim. Still am, but I was much more religious at 19. And a rule in Islam is no premarital sex. I know how that seems to people here, but it was never a daunting thing for me. But after a really bad relationship of sorts, I came out on the other end really feeling crappy about my self image. And all of a sudden, sex became this big issue for me. I remember there being this awesome girl who showed some interest in me, and I ran from that situation. It was completely uncharacteristic of me, but I had started to build sex up way too much, and put too much pressure on the 'V' problem. (I started to see it as a problem too) I'm not sure about those studies that you've mentioned, but do whatever you think is right for you. Like I said in my original post, I was able to do this without any of the pressures of having to impress someone, just let the session be about me exploring this entirely new world. Another big factor in not doing it sooner, websites like Cerb either didn't exist or were not as prominent back when I was 18-19. There was less of an online presence by SPs. I found Cerb through an MA's website almost two years ago, and took another year to just convince myself to go for it. I must have spent hours reading this website for information, I can't tell you how lucky you are to have all of this available to you right now. Some older folk here used to rely on stuff like "newspapers" whatever those are.

If it's not too cold, and rain is not being blown around, I like to sit in my backyard and watch the water droplets bounce in my pool. Something about listening to the sound seems very soothing. Growing up in a warmer place, I never stayed indoors when it rained. Always played outside.