Capital Hunter

Somehow I miss this thread until now!!!. Yes sorry it happened to you Emma. From what I read I am ready to pass a judgement that he is rude and uncaring and possibly a crook too (pending on response from Bank of Canada) and heartless. I can't believe someone with heart can actually see a lady and get so intimate with her (and likely exchange hugs and kisses) and then at the same time betray her so bad and then text so rude instead of apologizing and making up for it.

Very nice pictures added since I last checked in (past two pages). Thanks everyone for postings :-).

Ditto (All of above :-) . They said it best).

For me (and I can only speak for myself) it is a religious marriage (even stronger if also legally married) that makes it a marriage and that is a bond traditionally between a man and a woman that I personally will not knowingly break by intruding into it knowingly as this is how I was raised to behave. How long married? It doesn't matter to me, a few hours, a few days or a few decades. PS - I am not critical of married people entering other relationships (none my business) or very last of all making a judgement on how people or couples live their private lives, or try to define what a marriage is. I am just responding as what my view is on marriage or relationships that I personaly will not enter even temporarily for an hour. Others may have and entitled to completely different views as stated in many past posts in this thread and I fully respect them. Another view in likely minority posted by Secret Admirer lol :-).

Date (Rendezvous), however in my case though many dates I have with PDs at my home don't involve sex but many (with most escorts) do.

good advice, if it works. Likely better advice, go for established independents where you can talk directly to the lady if you require special services. And you know it is her choice rather than pushed or forced. I am not into greek as per my reasons in another thread however, this is true with (most) agencies that I encountered. That is they advertise services that the SP is not aware of. Long time ago when I was calling agencies I came across advertised GFE cases when the ladies were not. And on two occasions (when I had made it crystal clear as what I wanted when I called them) they (the agency who misrepresented the lady) charged me $40 for driver's fee when I declined the lady. The ladies in both cases told me they never told them to advertise them as GFE as they never were GFE. In my view false advertisement of services is as bad as bait and switch lol. As far as OP, well already quite a few well known established cerb ladies have been suggested in this thread. I have had the pleasure with a couple of suggested ones as GFE myself. Very recommendable young ladies...

Good too see you back spud. I heard it somewhere that "they always get their man" lol :-).

It has been quite an interesting poll results jafo. What I find interesting was that they so far 8 females have responded (total respondents of 23 minus the 15 male hobbyists) and 2 (over 20% are dancers) and more interesting that 3 (over 30% of females on cerb) are actually hobbyists (I assume hobbyist is a female who calls for another female or male escort for services) . Much larger than I thought in both dancer/hobbyist cases. I know it is a small sample and much larger samples are needed to reach conclusive results and also the fact that it was multiple choice may have clouded the results (one female rerspondent may have checked dancer, escort and hobbyist lol) but still it wasn't what I expected to see. In your next poll jafo (and I am looking forward to that) you may wish to take the male hobbyist part out (so that we have statistics and percentages for escorts, dancers and female hobbyists only lol). Just a suggestion. Also if it is not already (likely it is) please make it anonymous so that the SW question can be responded in anonimity. Thanks for the thread and the poll jafo.

First off, I made it clear in my earlier post that I don't make judgement just surprise and concern. My understanding (from your earlier post and my own logic) is that they work both on streets as well as indoors (otherwise cerb would be useless for them since they can't advertise their availability on streets lol). So your reasons that they don't have credit card or organizational skills to book a room or wanting to offer a quick or non-GFE service is not fully applicable. However, yes the reason for need of immediate money is logical

I read the thread first time in a while. A few interesting posts since last I read it.... Just wanted to briefly point out (and I speak for myself) that the reason I have my personal choice of not seeing married women or having dance with them is not because (as it has been said again and again) that they cheat on their SOs (it is between them and their SOs, and none of my business) but because I feel I go against the standards that I was raised and I go against what I believe in (the breaking of the sanctity of marriage, the taking/borrowing of someone else's belonging, the fact that her heart and soul is with someone else and thinking about him while with me and many other reasons). I was fed up in my recent visit at Mates with one of the stubborn dancers who was trying hard and for an hour to convince me that it is okay for me to have dances with her because her husband is okay with it and was deaf to hear out my reasons lol. As I said it is a personal choice. If you are comfortable with it to offer and to take, then by all means, enjoy.

If I may correct your statement, as we speak with current laws any type of prostitution, including street prostitution is NOT illegal (prostitution in Canada generally of any type is legal) however, it is solicitation in public which is illegal so that is what makes picking SWs on the street or any public place illegal or street work for ladies illegal too, if they solicitate in the public place. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Canada No what surprised me was that we all know street work is dangerous (No I wasn't surprise because I thought it was illegal) so why cerb ladies who can meet classy cerbites in relatively safer cleaner indoor environments would choose to work on the streets!!!!!. Anyways I recognize that it is a choice, their choice and none of my business. I am just concerned about their safety lol especially if I have met them or communicated with them on cerb.

Happy birthday Nathalie. Enjoy your special day.

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I have to respond one more time..... I have absolutely no idea what you are referring to fortunateone. I opened a thread almost exactly a year ago saying that when I have ladies (SPs) over at my place I consider them as my guests and my time with then as Dates (rendezvous) rather than pay for sex and the money exchanged is a gift for their time and companionship as I have had many dates in which no sexual services were asked or provided (and I asked others if they feel the same way) and I still am of the same opinion and even stronger (and the thread was nominated by many readers though there were some, mostly SPs who opposed the idea and debated against it). I never said prostitution is illegal in Canada!!!!. I knew all along outcalls are legal and I always knew about the public solicitation law and bawdy house law. My thread infact is somehow related to this thread and I may discuss it briefly that the extreme elements in the government are claiming that buying sex should become illegal because it is abuse and exploitation of women (which is true for many cases not sure what percentage but not all) and that women are in this profession not out of choice but out of force (pimped or drug addiction which again is true in many cases but not all). If we had promoted the idea that our encounters are voluntarily and consenting and as dates enjoyable by both sides rather than pay for sex, then we may have never come to where we are now. I am not saying that my thread a year ago would have changed the minds of those extremists but am saying if this idea was promoted years ago by our older hobbyists and SPs then we would not have been where we are now, facing criminalization of prostitution for ALL cases rather than selective for those who are pimped (not them but the pimps) or in there by force or the abuser/exploiters of those woman but all those who pay for sex even those having a private date for exchange of gift (outcalls). Please note that this thread is not about me or what I believe or believed or whether outcallls are legal/illegal or what I do (outcall only) may be twisted as illegal but about the conservative MP who wants to bring a private bill before the parliament in September to make buying sex illegal in Canada and a criminal act generalized to all types of prostitutions, even voluntarily or consenting sex (the failed swedish/nordic model). I will ask you again to please not to make this debate personal.

I did my college and undergrad in England and I drove to many parts including Scottland and wales. It really depends on what you like Malika. If you like urban life and museums (Madame Tussauds is my favorite, followed by British Museum and Museum of Science) and dance bars and shopping (Oxford street) then London England is best for you (but expensive too), whereas if you prefer rural green pastures, forest, rural life then Wales and Scottland are best though Scottland do have major cities like Glasgow and Edinburgh too. As a rough example to help ypu out to understand the differences I would say as an analogy (not weatherwise, but from looks points of view) that England resembles Southern Ontario, including Toronto (London being like Toronto), Scottland resembles British Coloumbia (green and mountains with a few major cities) and Wales resembles Nothern Ontario (ThunderBay area) green , flat rural. Additional comment: Remember to take a few warm clothings. The place (UK) can be very cold even in August. Temperaturewise it may be 10 to 15 degrees but because it is humid, the combination of humidity, almost constant rain/wind can be really shivering down to the bones even in the summer time lol. And the (wooden) houses are not properly insulated so it is always cold inside with heating cost skyrocketing lol.

You asked me where I read about the 90% (estimated) drop in prostitution in Sweden and stockholm soon after 1999. I don't wish to attach links who are promoting the Swedish model or its goods (and at the same time they are hiding its evils and counterproductive results). So with your permission I am going to PM you those links that I came across and you can read them if you wish. Also I don't wish to drag on debating on an outcome that clearly we disagee (We will never reach consensus as what would be the outcome) and it not related to the thread subject (or as you said fear mongering). The truth is nobody knows now as we speak what the outcome will be or how tough the laws will be or if or how strongly or in what manner they will be enforced. We are all speculating and expressing our views without proof and that goes for me too. No body knows even in Sweden some dozen years after as how much really prostitution has dropped and estimates varies between (as you read ) 30% to (as I read) 90%. So, we are not in a position to make factual statements but rather making pure speculations. Also with all due respect, there is also no need for making it personal. We are just debating as adults and presenting two different possible outcomes but believe it or not we are on the same side!!!!. We would like to see laws that provide more protection to sex workers, better/safer working environment, and end to abuse stigmatization of sex workers or sex industry, legal and safe access to consenting sex, and more importantly keeping the failed Swedish model off our democratic land. My point has been all along that it should never be allowed for the model to become the law in this country by launching an active and coordinated campaign especially by those in the profession or industry when time is right. Nordic model of prostitution is stupid (that only one side of equation is guilty), backwards (this is Canada not Saudi Arabia lol), counterproductive (sex workers and clients alike will be in more danger) and undemocratic (goes against freedom of choice of profession or consenting sex) and these are the only facts which are not speculations.

On your first point, our maths don't match up lol. For a majority vote, 154 is needed. The Cons have 166. As I said, only a dozen (12) over the majority. I remember in the 80's there was a free vote on Capital punishment and even though Mulroney voted against it but many con MPs voted for it and against their leaders. Ottawa police is law enforcement not judicial system. The judicial system consists of courts, lawyers and judges. Even though not perfect but a far cry from some countries that I know of. Very unlikely to KNOWINGLY frame an innocent person to a crime he has not committed against the existing laws (like criminalizing a legal outcall date as you suggested earlier). Btw, Ottawa police action was one unfortunate case. A good majority of Ottawa police law enforcement officers are good hard working dedicated individuals, but no system in the world is always perfect. I didn't call them a moral majority rather I said a majority of Canadians believe in decriminalized prostitution (53% I believe according to latest poll). While a relatively slim minority wanted it criminalized. Politicians sometimes have to listen to the public if they wish to be re-elected next time even if they may not personaly agree with them to protect their buttom lol. The constitution gives the legal right to the government to appeal a court ruling. Not sure why you expected the nation to rise up against an exercised right by the government!!. I am not sure though what you are proposing?? That we assume everything will be fine and let the model to become the law and don't challenge it in the courts after God forbid, if it becomes the law (passiveness, submission). Anyways, I fear that we may be hijacking this thread as our last few posts don't exactly related to the subject at hand, however, we can continue our debate via PM, if you wish.

Am I wrong to think that 166 Con MPs were voted in and that is only a dozen over the magic number. If I am correct, it is not a pretty massive majority. Even among conservative MPs there are some who care about their country and the well being of their citizens. If they know all the facts and if they become aware of what the majority view is on prostitution in Canada they may change their mind or soften the law (out of care or fear of not being elected next time). Any law can of course be abused. They indeed manufacture criminal cases for lawyers who are trying to defend human right activists jailed for fighting for human rights and political freedom and democracy in certain countries but thank God Canada is not as such. I have full faith in the legal system we have. However scribbles, if you really believe that after the Swedish model becomes law everything will remain the same and business will be as usual as usual and only SWs will be affected and there will be no drop in business for on-line escorts and we can still review on board, a what would be a criminal act (against current cerb rules) and no one will be arrested or fined for buying sex then I hope you are right and I respect your views no matter how different they may be to mind. And as I said I sincerely hope that I am wrong in my predictions.

Thank you WIT for your confirmation.

I am simply stating the facts as I see them scribbles as what would happen if we allow it to happen. Nobody proposed banging our heads on the pavements. What I propose is that if and when time comes to it (a vote in the parliament) we should write to our MPs (both sex workers and hobbyists) and with reasons (the fact that it has not worked in Sweden and it would endanger our citizens, sex workers/clients alike) and convince them to vote against it and yes a demo or two on parliament hill may work as that was the case a few years ago when the Ontario government wanted to impose Shariat law (what did they call it...). I know it may be regarded as a long shot but even among the Con MPs there are those who really care about the citizens if they become aware of the facts. They have a slim majority. Based on my calculations about a dozen Con MP minds need changing. We have to show the poll results loud and clear that the majority of Canadians are against this model and want prostitution legalized and regulated and more importantly take part in on-line polls. Challenge it in the courts (all the way to SCC) if God forbid, it ever becomes law. This is a democracy. The majority speaks. This is the time to be united not divided and be active not passive. On your second comment/allegation, There is NO current law that could make a private residence a bawdy house. This is clearly an exaggerated (likely false) statement. A bawdy house is defined as a place of business where money is exchanged for sex and clients (plaural) are visiting frequently. Where we live and have dates with consenting guests and we don't make any money of our private resiidential places are not in any CURRENT law defined as bawdy houses no matter how much time they take. In an undemocratic countries LE can break the law, Go against it, build (fake) cases, plant evidence and imprison the innocent. Thank God Canada is still a democracy that we all respect and love. This will not happen in Canada.

Yes I contacted SexyLittleCandy on cerb as I wished to see a natural redhead again (and I like ladies with short hair) and she sure was with lovely soft pale skin and green eyes and short red hair (she was my second short haired redhead in a week, first being Sexy Eva last Saturday lol). She arrived right on time and we conversed for some time and then I asked her if she would like to come with me to my bedroom for more intimate interactions and she accepted. Bianica has soft pale skin (freckles on face only) that I like and redish sweet kitty and pink sweet nipples typical of redheads and very pale soft belly which I kissed a lot. Good hygiene and yes she is a GFE and very talkative (YMMV as usual). Our time involved lots of kissing and sweet daty and very intimate full service and one thing typical about her was that at the end (my end) she didn't immediately leave the bed but hugged me hard and held me tight for a long while and I was caressing her soft short red hair.It was quite enjoyable but unfortunately the hour was over and it was the time for me to give the usual ride back to my guest to her hotel. She is a student here in Ottawa and new to the Biz so if you have her please treat her right.

It is good to be optimistic (and yes fear mongering is wrong) but at the same time one has to be realistic and ready for the most likely scenario (hence being realistic pays off too). I am not sure on what basis you are predicting what you commented... For example you predict that the Federal government is not going to enact legislation while the matter is before the courts. It is my understanding that whenever a private bill is introduced in the parliament it is voted on within a few weeks on average or a few months at most and the bill will be introduced in September and the Federal government has a majority (I warned you not to elect a majority conservative lol!!!!). The parliament is a separate entity and independent of courts. So not sure why you are so sure that parliament is going to sit ideal for about 2 years until the SCC decides!! I also read that in Sweden business dropped by 90% first few years not 40% so not sure where the 40% came from but yes it has been on the increase since no one yet has been sent to jail but just fined heavily and disgraced publically (as bad). No one is sure same thing would happen in Canada. People may go to jail so why do you thing the Cons are planning to spend billions on prisons lol!!!. In fact they are firing scientists at Environment Canada in order to hire prison guards and that is a fact (I told you NOT to vote for Cons lol!!!). You predict that only street action will be affected. Again I don't see why you predict that because when buying sex becomes illegal and criminal it includes every type of sex for money, incalls, outcalls even at the privacy of my own home to have a date and give gift to my date becomes illegal. As stupid as it seems (and it is) that would be what the law would say...When it becomes criminal it is enough for me (and many others who have never broken any laws in our lives) to stop altogether so business for on-line escorts will be adversely affected too so again respectfully I don't understand your logic. Yes I agree that this bill will not address the very important safety aspects of sex workers and even would make the working environment a lot more dangerous for everyone including clients and sex workers (as per my earlier post in this thread). Enforcement would be easy and not costly. They have to do what they do now at street level and that is placing a few undercover agents among the on-line escorts or even board members and a few well publicized trials and scare everyone off. Mind you a review would become a confession to a crime committed by reviewer (in fact a recommendation would be against cerb rules as it is against the rules to discuss anything illegal on the board) so likely very few reviews if any and therefore harder to know or meet established escorts. Again I can't understand why you believe established SPs will not be affected or even charging more!!!!. This government is the most right wing regime ever in Canadian history and not sure whay you may think they don't mean what they say and it is all smokescreen. They have to show results in 4 years time and that is a significant drop in prostitution as like in Sweden. I believe quite the contrary. I believe we have to say it loud and clear (to galvanize opposition NOW) what it would be if it the bill passes the parliament (totally undemocratic and backward and counterproductive) right now, so that it will never passes the parliament. Provide statistics as in those countries that this law will not protect but rather endanger sex workers and has not been effective in long term and email the results/videos to our MPs when it comes to voting time later in the fall. Understating the effects and glorious optimistic predictions would only help those who want to pass the bill as those opposed would sit ideal and do nothing because they think that nothing would change for them and it would be business as usual or even better as you said they can charge more!!!!. I sincerely hope that you are right in your predictions and that I am wrong in what I call a more realistic scenario if we allow this stupid bill becomes law. And yes most likely your post would be a lot more popular than mine as readers would like to read what they wish to hear lol.

Thanks for the post Sonia. We look forward to your schedule. I hope you are all there Saturdays too (my only free day, not tomorrow though). I was there two weeks ago and I saw so many beautiful girls but I had to leave early as I had a date at 5:00 pm that day. I try to stay longer next time and keep my ears wide open for all the recommended names lol. Thanks Cato for starting this thread. PS - So nice to see lovely dancers joining our board too. Hope to see more dancer cerbites.

Oh this gives an idea lol :-). I was thinking of closing my account (needless to say very relunctantly and sadly) if the stupid private bill passes in the fall. Now I think I can close Secret Admirer and open the new account as New Admirer or TopSecret Admirer or Invisible Admirer in 2012 lol, just kidding :-). No, seriously I am glad you are back JB. Will be reading your strip bars posts for sure as I may be switching back completely to strip bars from escorts in 2012, if outcalls too become illegal. PS - His past posts have come with the new account!!!!!.