Capital Hunter

I never knew Jen and like others am glad she was able to put her life back in order but her message (intended for her clients not even me) did make me thinking a lot and re-evaluating my life style..... My best wishes to her.

Thanks for all responses and keeping the debate positive and respectful. I think all that was needed said already. I may change direction a little bit as personal choice and stick to very few providers whom I know for sure are in this happily and by choice and drop the variety slogan. Anyhow on the more humorous side if hobbying is forbidden and there is heaven and hell then I would rather be in the company of some sinful sexy ladies in hell rather than covered nuns and bearded clergy in heaven.

Meatbeater I am certainly not an expert in bible but I believe bible has forbidden sex outside marriage so unless we marry providers for an hour then that too is forbidden. Someone who is expert in bible may like to explain where directly sex for money is forbidden. Nobody speculated about anybody's situation but not any point to close eyes and say that everyone in this industry is on her own free will. I screen as much as I can to see those who are happily in it but unless we have a crystal ball it is impossible to be 100% sure. I did mention in my original post that if both side are happy with the paid date then that is all fine (you are preaching to converted), though pointed out all religions even ban that. Piano I loved your last paragraph. That has been my thinking too that if they want to burn me in hell for what I do (which I doubt it as God is about love not hate and burning) then I say I was given this sexuality and feeling of wanting. Then whoever gave me that is responsible for my actions. But it is my responsibility if I knowing exploit anyone or take advantage of anyone or purposely harm someone and for that likely I deserve to be burned in hell.

Piano, how can you be sure that she is doing it happily and on her own free will. If I could be sure 100% then I would have no conflict or issue with it either since it would be like having a date with a GF.

If you don't believe in God and evil or heaven and hell or you find a discussion on religion versus hobbying offensive please scroll away from this thread to another as the thread title is very clear this discussion may not be for everyone. The mods can of course remove this thread too if they find it offensive. This thread was in fact inspired by a recent thread that touched me quite a bit. All religions that I know of, forbid sex outside marriage, and it is crystal clear that paying for sex is forbidden too. This thread or question is directed towards those who believe in God, heaven and hell (not necessarily religious people likely hard to find around here). Do you see a conflict between your hobby (or if you are a provider, your profession) and your beliefs? I will be first to answer. Never saw a conflict before as I used to believe in evolution rather than creation. Beginning to rethink my beliefs as I don't find all my answers in that theory. As for hobbying I have this perception that as long as both sides are willing participants and the money exchanged is used towards positivity like paying for education, or to better the lives of selves or family members I can convinced myself that it is not a bad deed but if any kind of exploitation involved, including knowingly seeing forced or pimped or demand services provided not willingly or for the need of money for harmful things (like drugs) or jeopardizing the safety of myself or providers then it is a great sin. Disrespectful or bad treatment of providers, also qualifies as a sin. This is of course a perception (like my perception of pay for Date rather than pay for sex concept) which I have for myself to convince myself to continue the hobby and many may agree or disagree with it but I am aware of the fact that there is no such distinction in any religion about paying for sex. So for those who do believe in God and evil and heaven and hell. Do you see a conflict between your hobby (or your profession if you are a provider) and your beliefs.

Yes I am aware of that......and in fact I have seen a beauty from there outcall by the name of Justine as per my recent recommendation of her. That said since my likes are very specific and providers with those specifics are very rare indeed (as a result recently I expanded my choices to MAs), I wish I could extend my choices/options as widely as possible including those in Paradise Spa/Angel's touch and in fact all other Spas in Ottawa if they do outcalls and have the following very specific lady. http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=127645

Paradise Spa/Angel's Touch have plenty of lovely ladies. I also have a long friendship history with them (mainly PMing as I never been to any of their locations). Sadly they don't do outcalls, as I am looking now into special MAs as per my thread in the massage section of cerb but do NOT visit Spas or do incalls.

Yes I was in a natural mood today and then I saw a sure bet as when I saw the ad for Yuko (someone I had seen before) I knew she will satisfy my natural fetish today. She was with Candyland as per this recommendation: http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=125736&highlight=yuko And now coming back to Ottawa but with SweetHeart. She came back like a lion with lots of kisses and big hugs. Very friendly and felt like re-uniting with a decade long GF madly in love!!!. Genuinely happy to see me. Got into bathroom and changed into something very sexy she brought with her and jumping in bed like a lion too. So much kisses and affection in an hour I think I was satisfied for at least one week of kisses. Some get better with repeats and some get worse. Yuko is among those who will get a lot better!!!. In summary had a good time and she left smiling too.

I too would never hobby if I am in a relationship and vice versa. Btw, from what I read and hear a job with the FED GOV is not that solid anymore :). On a more serious note, I absolutely agree with your last paragraph.

Olivia Wilde: Abigail Spencer:

I too had the pleasure of having Lucy as my guest though it was a bit surprise to see her all tanned on arrival (as I was promised a very pale masseuse), however, once I look deeper and saw that very cute very pretty face and beautiful blue eyes showing up in the tanned face I almost forgot about the tanned skin. She was my guest for one hour and though at the beginning she was a bit distant (this was her first outcall so I can't blame her to be a bit nervous) however, as time passed by she felt more comfortable and quite friendly at the end. She has beautiful looks and may get an A+ in the looks department and another A+ in the masseuse related services and the only area of improvement in my view would be likely to work a bit on emotional aspects of GFE but it could have been YMMV.

On a more serious response it is great NOW to live alone and have all the freedoms that goes with it (like having lovely guests over, watching the movies that I like, listening to the songs that I like, the quiet environment after coming back from work to relax,.....) but in the time of need (like becoming sick when I have to cook for myself with high fever) or the future when I am old and lonely (if I decide to keep living alone) it is no fun and that will be the regret time. Oh why I didn't make friends with the lovely lady I saw the other day in 2013... Oh why I didn't ask the lovely girl out in 2010, Oh why I didn't propose to the lovely lady in 2006... That is when living alone will show up nothing but regrettable memories... The regret time, likely my future.

Me :) !!!!.

I saw Jina a third time today (I don't have a recommendation for her as it was during the time when I closed account on cerb). Jina was my type (pretty, pale skin, spinner and used to be natural). By natural I mean boobs and kitty, so I booked her for this afternoon. She arrived on time and to my surprise she was partially shaven. Nevertheless very nice young lady. GFE with relatively small but sexy boobs and pale skin otherwise all true about her being my type and I was happy to see her again. She was a GFE and very sweet and friendly too. We talked (yes her English is good) and kissed a lot and I had great time. She had good hygiene. Pre-booking was fine and the gent on the phone was friendly though needs to improve his English. ps - Jina above is a different provider than Jina from ALLD who is recommended already.

Being an outcall only hobbyist for 5 years I would say it is wise if you do your research and you are selective who you are inviting. This is the only legal way to have a paid date (unless you wish to pay $150 for a hotel on the top of donation). No major issues so far. Only on one occasion I was stalked but that was a dancer. Remember you are having total strangers in the privacy of your home where you live and not everybody engaged in this industry is safe. So be very selective and ask lots of questions before inviting. It also depends on the environment that you live. My building is quiet and people with class who mind their own business. They have seen me plenty of times with different visiting guests and either assumed they are my GFs or mind their own business. Not same for all especially those living in noisy neighborhoods or have nosy neighbors, In addition, since outcalls are legal both sides are safer in my view since in case of any wrongdoing, like robbery, pimp harassment (well try not to call anyone with pimp), assault.... either side can call the police. Which brings me to another legal discussion that decriminalization (of bawdy houses, guards and drivers) makes the hobby safer for everyone but that is another topic and I don't wish to hijack the thread.

You are correct but actually as part of shower after daty I personally most of the time rinse my mouth with mix water/soap (yes it tastes awful) and that is because it is NOT advisable to brush immediately after encounter (I read causing bruises increasing chances of STDs). I thoroughly wash my lips and face and body though immediately. I only brush after if I am totally sure of the provider. That was what I meant by shower but yes the PM mentioned BBBJ but God knows what else was involved (for sure kissing on her body and I pray to God not cob, YIKES!!!!). The other point I wished to make was that showering immediately after (rather than half hour later) may reduce chances of STDs. As a response to above post, I am not hiring an SP but rather inviting a lady to my house to be my precious guest for a party and a date for a mutually good time (paid for her time) and just like any other date it is not unreasonable to expect that both sides be clean and showered. It does NOT mean that because I pay for her time then I have to take all the germs from her previous date too!!!!. Just because I expect the lady to be clean and showered then it does not mean that this hobby is not for me either!!.

You are correct. And it was wrong of me to respond as it goes against the friendly and peaceful spirit of the board no matter how much I was offended. I will go back and edit my posts and would like to request kindly from Jabba if he would edit the quoted part too.

@ Isabella,The small part of my post about leaving to another client was instantiated based on a TRUE story, 2 years ago when I received a lady who btw was late some 30 minutes and after she left (without shower) I got a PM here on cerb that she had been to a client place (just 30 minutes before her arrival here). The PM described that she did BBBJ on him and guess what? DFK was one of the services she provided to me ... YIKES. I was sick to my stomach needless to say. If you don't go and see another client until taking shower it doesn't mean that everyone is like you. Please do NOT take my original post personal. It wasn't about any specific provider (those posted so far have NEVER been to my place) but a general statement. Additional Comments: Jabba, I don't know why one should quote my post on hygiene and underline the part that I wasn't happy about a few providers leaving my house without taking shower and then commenting about being locked in a shower with their money and property stolen or the shower and towel not being clean. I see implicit assumptions in that post as the reason why those few did not take shower because they were feeling unsafe in my home or unsafe in my 'dirty' shower, especially when my post was quoted and my post not specifically directed at any provider!!. I am very selective as whom I invite to my private home where I live based on safety, looks, class as well as hygiene and that was the reason in my original post as those not showering not receiving a second invite. And it is my right to decide whom to invite and who not to.

Edited: On another note in my view if you are doing outcalls you must make sure that you are safe in the house, bedroom and yes ahower as well. You will feel safer if you check the client out thoroughly and ask for references and be sure of your safety before you proceed to the date. If your money or property were stolen or you were indeed locked in a shower in an outcall situation in the past as per your post then since outcalls are legal (but locking someone in a bathroom is illegal) then I advise you to call the police and someone like that belong to jail and away from his potential future victims. But do not assume everyone guilty!!!!!!.

Improper hygiene is certainly an issue with small minority of providers and as you mentioned it is not limited to hobbyists and is indeed a real turn off. Not limited to down there either (breath issue as well sometimes) and is likely more than a few cases but an issue among small minority of escorts (less than 10%) and breath issue with some dancers. I am usually in shower for at least 15 minutes (and brush well as well) to ensure I am ready and deep clean for the date and I expect same from my guest before arrival. In a few cases also providers left without taking shower (even though I gave every guest 15 minutes just for that). Well they never got a second invite from me.

For those cerbites following my posts they know that I am a rare hobbyist who is after great looks rather than a list of services and very safe (nothing bare) and cautious (outcall only) and love pale skin and love natural kitties, dislike dirty talk/vulgar language......... so I reach the conclusion recently that masseuses are best suited for what I am looking for and here is MY FIRST review of a beautiful delightful masseuse by the name of Justine at CMJ (this was my first ever call to CMJ). Justine was EVERYTHING that I was looking for. CMJ responded to my post asking for those aware of beautiful pale classy masseuses to contact me and they posted in my thread. The Touch of Euphoria is the outcall wing of CMJ as I made it clear that I will not be visiting a SPA and they arranged this outcall date for me. It is great that CMJ unlike others is so flexible on call type and have an outcall wing, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to see their lovely ladies. They suggested two ladies, Justine being one of the two who graciously accepted my invitation to be my guest this afternoon. I hope to see the other (I am sure delightful) lady next weekend. Justine arrived exactly on time. She was smiling and stunning dressed in mini skirts for me. My heart started beating fast when we hugged and kissed. We walked to my unit and we conversed for a while before the session started. Justine has a beautiful soft feminine pale skin, a very model like relatively tall spinner body. A very cute face and dark hair and eyes and a pair of large very sexy firm boobs. I had a heavenly hour with her at my home with a very classy guest. As picky as I am on looks she completely satisfied me with her great looks. She is a masseuse and the session included lots of touching and kissing and she lived up completely with my expectations as per my thread in the massage section on looks, services, class and hygiene. She was also a total emotional GFE and very kind and considerate. A classy lady, university student with beauty, big heart and great mind. If you see her please treat her like a princess that she indeed is!!!. I would like to extend my thanks to Justine for accepting my invitation to be my guest and also CMJ for arranging this date making it a memorable Saturday afternoon.

Not sure if your question is directed only at providers but if it offends a hobbyist there is an equal or likely higher chance that it may also offend a provider and yes it is a turn off for me if a guest provider starts talking dirty or even offends me if she uses what I consider as vulgar language, in the heat of the moment or otherwise so same applies to some SPs I suppose, though many may also enjoy it. It has happened in a few occasions that a provider started talking a bit dirty and me not responding or likely seeing my unpleased face she stopped. So as advised above if you are seriously into DT you may start with a little bit of DT and see if the provider goes along with it or not and take a hint. Asking/consulting in advance is a good option too as suggested above.

Hoops sorry I missed it but better late than never lol. Happy birthday roamingGuy and bes wishes for many more great birthdays.

Retraction: From what I hear directly from the lady herself this statement is incorrect. My statement in the recommendation was based on a recent review on the other board. She does provide BBBJ but as always and as usual it is YMMV depending on the health and hygiene of the client. My apology to everyone especially Jessy.

Welcome to cerb. There are a few legit agencies in Ottawa who are advertising on cerb. By legit I mean pictures are most likely the ladies but in most if not all cases highly photo shopped. Services are in most cases as described but as usual YMMV. In most cases usually a lot older than advertised. So chances for being burned still there even for legit ones. Avoid O@N site. All fakes there. The legit ones advertise here. I personally recommend MB or OSH. Good luck.