Capital Hunter

I agree. There is so much joy with unwapping a hidden treasure, especially a girl next door... I am also very happy to see more and more cerbites/hobbyists are regarding their encounters with SPs as Dates as everyday passes. I remember when I brought up the idea of perceiving my encounters with dancers and escorts as Dates or rendezvous, I was criticized for having such perception by all sides only a year ago lol... I wish I could stay on cerb longer to further my perception. Afterall they (the extreme elements in the government) are using the concept of pay for sex as type of abuse or exploitation of women to further their side and make all such encounters illegal. If such encounters were regarded as dates (consensual sex in exchange for gifts with willing and enjoying female participants as I perceive them and suggested we all should last year) they could never brought up such a bill to ban escorts or stand any chance to pass it through the parliament.

Well my answer may be different with most as I am outcall only so I greet ladies first in a public place (usually outside the elevator) and also I don't wish my neighbors seeing me with a semi nude girl so I voted fully clothed (however mini skirts would be nice and I hate to see a girl in pants lol) otherwise my vote would have been lingerie.

I love especially natural kitties. It is easier to find a gold mine these days lol than a natural kitty.

All they have to do is to place a few undercover agents among independent escorts working indoors and scare off most of hobbyists. Not that expensive. Yes a police state lol!!!! I too when I contact an unknown SP for first time I always say the exchanged donation is for her time and companionship only however, my understanding of WIT's post is that, this won't cut it anymore if this model becomes law. WIT, buying material goods instead of cash exchange would make it a lot harder for the courts to convict (I assume that we will still have a justice system after January 1st 2012). If they convict people so harshly then who dares to take a girlfriend or even a wife to a dinner and pay for the dinner too LOL !!!!!!. This means a complete distatorship where people's relationshiips/friendship is based on distrust!!!! Any unhappy girlfriend or wife can legally accuse her partner of buying sex lol!!!. Btw, WIT thanks for the comment regarding privacy of cell phone. I never believed that cell phones used in playgrounds or public places can be regarded as public place and now I have your confirmation.

There will be always ways to do things legally. For example for status quo I have been hobbying for 2 years and a half seeing hundreds of escorts and not once broke any of the laws associated with existing prostitution laws. I have been strictly outcall only (not to break the bawdy house law) since the beginning even at the expense of financial losses and missing on some great incall-only ladies. Always used internet or cell phone to contact ladies for date (therefore never broke the solicitation in a public place law either) and always checked the IDs (for age verifications) when having slightest doubt..... Can I do still everything legally under new laws???. Well if the Nordic system is imposed (If so, I expect to start kicking in, on January 1st 2012) even outcalls will be illegal too so my tactic will not work after that date so I have to find another way to see ladies legally. Not much comes to my mind at this moment as we speak but what I can say as an immediate thought is that there will be always ladies needing material goods instead of cash (exchange of cash after the date will be considered as buying sex if the imposed bill passes), I may propose to a lady to go to Sears for example and buy her a washing machine that she may need (equivalent to a few sessions) or a TV set or a fridge or furniture with my credit card as a GIFT to her or take her to dinner or buy her clothing or jewerly but no cash. Certainly no cash exchange during or after the date. Yes I know it may be hard to find a lady who trusts me so much that would spend several sessions with me just on my verbal promise. But those who have met me and know me they know I will never go back to my word, no matter what. I am hoping that I can find at least a few of those ladies among the many ladies that I have met since early 2008. For those who don't trust me, I trust them. I buy them the gift first (a material good not cash) and leave it to them to see me later to fulfill their promise. There may be other stategies to have dates legally but can't think of any right now.

I have said it before and I say it again. It is like losing a family member, a close friend or relative when my favorite SP (dancer or escort) retires. It has happened quite a few time to poor me and eveytime my heart breaks but at the same time the joy of seeing the person I care about moving to another layer most likely a better life is overwhelming and I feel happy for her which would heal my bleeding heart to an extend. I repeat what I have said already in another thread: 1 - I feel sad that I won't be able to see them again 2 - I will be thinking about them and will be reminded of brief great pleasant moments that I had with them that won't be repeated again. 3 - I feel blessed that I was able to see them even once. 4 - I feel that their health and well being is most important and must come first and foremost. So I have complete understanding. 5 - I do in a way feel very happy for them that they may have found better lives or opportunities (boyfriend, alternative employment, etc.) Bless them all for making our lives so pleasant. Please refer to a related thread. Comments and emotions are overwhelming and are from buttom of the hearts: http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=5862&highlight=favorite

There are many unanswered questions about this idiotic model. For example what constitutes (buying) sex. To me sex is only when two people have sexual intercourse not kissing or touching. Then in my definition having private dancers would still be legal, however, I do remember last year in our debate, the majority view was that kissing is sex too so no more private dancers either. At least not legally. I understand that in Sweden they have taken it one step further and dancers in strip bars are not allowed to take off their underwears (a new meaning to a strip bar lol) so even looking is same as buying sex in Sweden or was it Saudi Arabia LOL!!!!!. So in that case what would happen to our strip bars. Would they close or stay open and be dead all the time. Nobody buys sex in strip bars lol!!!. If laws enforced would enforcement be limited to SWs or would extend to online or independent escorts too?. What would happen to escort agencies. With tough new laws against living off the avails would they be able to advertise or even exist or will be frequently busted?. Will there be advertising sites still operating like DL or BP or review boards like cerb? What would be the penalty for buying sex. Would it be as tough as one year in jail (Swedish law) or a more lenient $5000 fine, like in Norway? (Norwegian law adopted from Sweden in 2009). Will the names be publicized? Would that be a criminal act or just offence?. Most importantly would these laws just be written on the paper (to satisfy a few religious zealots in the conservative party) or would they be actually enforced and put innocent people in jail, heavily fine or publicize names and destroy lives and break up families? I hope that our law makers think with their hearts and minds if and when they come to vote on this bill. Poll after poll indicate that a big majority of Canadians don't support this system or even criminalization of prostitution. A big majority of Canadian want prostitution legalized and regulated (53%). Only less than half (24%) want it criminalized. THE MESSAGE IS LOUD AND CLEAR FROM CONSTITUENTS to ELECTED MPS. It is the job of our elected MPs to vote on behalf of their constituents and unless they wish to turn this great country where democracy and freedom is rooted for over a century into a dictatoship similar to unelected religious dictatorships in the Middle East, then they have to say no to this bill and vote in a democratic way and the only way to keep this country democratic is to vote NO to this backward unfair, idiotic model which clearly has not work elsewhere and will not improve the safety of the sex workers either.

My dream job was to be a university professor when I was a kid, as my mother was then. I studied for many years all the way to Ph.D. in order to land that dream job lol. My dream came true for a couple of years only to realize that it wasn't a dream but rather a nightmare LOL!!!!!. I quit and started a consulting engineer office job instead. My dream job is what I do now. I have no plans to retire anytime soon because I have only 10-12 years of pension as I studied for first 30 years of my life to get my childhood dream job LOL!!!.

To add to my surprise as I recall BC sending so many Con MPs to Ottawa in the last election, just two months ago. You are likely correct in your assumption though. I have never been to BC but have been to other western provinces (Alberta, Manitoba and Saskatchewan) and found them too conservative. In Saskatchewan for example even stripping is illegal where patrons are drinking!!!!!. I find Central Canada especially Quebec most openminded when it comes to sex industry and also other social issues. So, I expected that any poll would show Quebecers to be more open to legalization of sex trade than Western Canadians lol!!!.

As in my previous posts I have been hoping for Himel to be struck down (as I knew the challenge would bring all this on us), however, I think that as it stands, the private member's bill would likely be voted (in September) BEFORE a decision is made on Himel's by OSC, likely later in the fall or new year. Am I incorrect?

Thanks for this WIT. Interesting results though surprising that BC comes first in openmindedness. while 53% support decriminalization only 24% support criminalizing it. If I remember correctly only 8% of Canadians supported the Swedish style of prostitutuion law which buying (not selling) sex is illegal. In a true democracy an MP will follow their constitutents' wish. It remains to be seen whether our MPs are going to vote that democractic way against the imposed bill which makes buying sex illegal or they are going to be forced by their party to vote against the wish of their constitutents and vote for the bill and ban buying sex. The government in power is doing it in a sleazy way though. They are bringing the bill to make buying sex illegal under the cover of fighting human trafficking and pimping and underage exploitation so that to have more than 24% support for their idiotic action.

Thanks for the brief (but to the point) recommendation. Hopefully she would visit us for a Saturday when most of us are not on a working day.

Well somehow they did it to 757 men in Sweden lol.... Likely a complain (by neighbors, hotel guests, staff.....) or in case of SWs likely the use of undercover police officers, as they do it now frequently as we speak. The undercover tasks may extend to escorts too under new laws (so to TOFTT would be a lot riskier in more ways than one....). If review boards are outlawed then the task of finding a well established SP would be a lot more difficult. If advertising is outlawed too then finding an escort would become very difficult too. No one knows in what shape or form it would be implimented in canada and how forcefully it would be enforced. Lets hope it would NEVER come to that .... So what is new about this conservative government lol??

With likely closure of review boards not sure how the word would get around to put them out of business. As far as extorting married men now, The difference is that now as we speak, anyone trying that would implicate herself in an illegal activity and would face prosecution (both for being a sex worker as well as an extortionist). Not so under Nordic system On your second paragraph yes you have a good point. I agree that it would be tougher to pass this one, but lets not underestimate this woman and do our job to make the public and our MPs aware of the undesirable consequences of this system. This model has NOT been successful in Sweden and anyone who claims otherwise is distorting the facts.

Hear hear on first paragraph. No sure it is the same though as for your second paragraph WIT. True penalties still high for incall if one is caught (something I personaly never do even though it cost me a lot extra to be outcall only but it worth it), however, the difference is that, now the (wrong) SP don"t pick up the phone and call the LE while you are there or after you leave (because she would be charged too as it is illegal for her too), NOT so in the Swedish model lol. Hobbyists could be subjected to extorsion. Be careful not to make anyone mad lol (negative reviews, no shows, disputed donation, services) and take lots of cash with you in case she asked for a lot more than what is agreed, lol. On you last paragraph, it is my understanding that this woman (Smith) has been successful in the past to pass two other private bills through the Parliament!!!. So what would be different this one?. HEAR HEAR. Bravo :-).

I said it will virtually kill the industry not totally. There are always those who will break the law no matter how criminal the law or stiff the penalty will be, but I am not one of them and I am sure the overwhelming majority of SAFE hobbyists would stop too. Statistics in Sweden may not apply to Canada. This would be a new law if passed in Canada and nobody knows beforehand how hard the LE would crack down on independent escorts until after (God Forbid) it becomes the law of the land. On another note, I don"t wish to be one of those so called "ONLY" 757 men LOL!! (consdering the fact that Canada's population is 3 times Sweden this is equivalent to almost 2500 men in Canada). Were Those who convicted and paid (in Sweden) not publicized? (Swedish law says their names should become public). How many families were broken as a result. How many lost their jobs, homes, families and for what? consensual sex!!!. I am not sure where you have your information that the Swedish model only targeted Street prostitutes. The law says buying sex is criminal and punishable up to a year in jail or 50 days of the salary (depending how kind or conservative the judge may be so depending on your luck) and that includes escorts too, even outcalls (to have a date in the privacy of my own home). Not sure how much worse penalties would be for repeat offenders!!. This is crazy. what are we going to become? A religious republic in middle east lol!!!!). Since when government of Canada looks into citizen's bedrooms!!!!???. Since when we put people in jail, disgrace them in public and make them lose their jobs for having consensual sex in an advanced country?? This does not make it safer for service providers either (the fact that it is not a crime for SPs and hence safer for them is a misconception in Sweden). When most safe hobbyists stop and mostly those not caring about commiting crime stay it would become unsafe for everyone, but especially for service providers. Likely a relatively safe board like cerb where SPs can advertise and meet most likely a safe hobbyist (or check him out with other SPs or in the SP private area) will be outlawed. Not to mention that those minority safe hobbyists who may stay could potentially subject themselves to extorsion (how do I dare to invite someone into my home when she can call the police and have me arrested if I don't pay up say ten thousand dollars instead of agreed $300 lol??). Also when they push thiings underground, it becomes very unsafe for both sides. This is a proven fact... I will remain strongly against this model no matter what because is no good for either side. There are better and more civilized ways to combat human trafficking and pimping. Swedish model is NOT one of them. I think it is best to expose this model"s faults and shortcomings loud and clear and write to our MPs (if it ever goes to be voted on) rather than understating or underestimating its undesirable consequences. My views.

This is not limited to human trafficking only but includes buying sex in general that extends to all types of prostitutions even outcalls, is it not?. This is complete Swedish model..... This will virtually kill the industry and for those who remain in the trade (both SPs and hobbyists) very unsafe place to be for reasons I have explained before.... I told you so :icon_frown: .

Thanks for the article WIT. Student escorts is not limited to UK. Here in Canada too (both in Ottawa and Montreal) I have come across many student escorts both at college and university level. When I used to go to strip bars and make friends with dancers I also came across many dancers who were college or university students.

Yes I saw lovely pictures of Sammy on Candyland's web site and I was totally taken by her very pale skin, hard to find among oriental girls (she reminded me of Dio also from Candyland, Ohhh I miss Dio so much). I called early morning and booked Sammy for early evening hour. I called the Ottawa branch of Candyland at the given number and booked her. The phone guy (whom I think I woke up at 8:00 am, poor guy) was friendly and good mannered. Yes Sammy was the third girl of the afternoon (first was lovely short haired brunette Carmen(4you) who is recommended separately, the second not recommendable so remains anonymous) and I thought I would be too tired to enjoy my time with Sammy but as soon as door opened I saw a very lovely very very friendly tall PALE brunette walking in (I was energized lol becoming a living guy rising from the dead, with lots of kisses and hugs like she has been my girlfriend for decades lol and like she was madly in love with me. Sammy is very friendly with best of attitudes and has lovely personality. Though her face is of average look but her body below neck IS ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL. She has very soft, very pale, youthful skin covering her tall slender body. Cute sweet kitty with some hair (nothing bushy unfortunately) and did I say she has a very friendly personality :-). She is a GFE in true meaning. She is a tall slender pale brunette who is also very openminded and friendly. Her boobs are relatively small but sexy and her bum very soft, pale and sexy. Her belly wins it all among all other body parts as it was very soft, very pale and sexy too. She made me come to the end within half hour with her beautiful body and tight kitty and the rest of half hour (no she didn't leave early) she started taking pictures (from the windows and balcony) of the beautiful view of the green city of Ottawa which included Parliament Hill, Ottawa river and Gatineau Park. Then she started dancing for me in the living room slowly taking off eveything again. It was a real hot day (in a sexy way) and a great Saturday afternoon. It is like heaven to be with beautiful friendly ladies lol. Sammy is highly recommended for those who love model like tall slender pale soft very friendly young GFE oriental ladies (did I miss something :-)) but she will be here in Ottawe only ten more days so if you like what you read then rush before she flies away lol. Sammy's Secret Admirer

Yes I saw her picture in the "best bums" thread a few days ago and was eager to see her soon. So, I made arrangements to take my summer visitor to a downtown hotel (which was hard to find this Canada day weekend) so that I can receive guests at home. We exchanged a few emails and PMs and arrranged for a date this Saturday afternoon. Carmen arrived all hot and sweaty as she walked all the way from home to hear about 30 minutes. A cool air conditioned place and cold fruit juice was in order (neither of us drink alcohol or smoke so we were compatible). She was very relaxed and cool like she knows me and my place for long. Carmen has a small cute face. She has also a small body and looks younger than the stated age of 24. Her boobs also small and so is her belly. Her bum really deserve to belong to the best bums thread as it was really cute, pale and sexy. She also has short black hair (I love short hair pale brunettes) and I kissed her hair many times!!!. I asked her to lie down on her stomach so that I can play with her bum gently kissing (beside her back was pale as her front was burnt dark. Her small cute kitty was sweet and daty was very nice and she was responsive to daty too. Doggy was very nice too. She is in general a cool relaxed young lady who works at two other jobs so she is hard working too. Unfortunately I wasn't able to give her a ride back as I am expecting another girl coming over soon (besides she preferred to walk back). Carmen is recommended for those who like small cute young looking cool relaxed ladies. She is a safe GFE therefore we were very compatible in this respect as I don't take any bare services either. She is here on cerb as Carmen4you. If you have her please treat her well. Carmen's Secret Admirer.

I love treasure discovery LOL. Most of the time I TOFTT. I always joke in my recommendations that I go where no man has gone before lol :-). I like new discoveries and unknowns. I love discovering treasures and make them known to help them and fellow cerbites. On occasions I also see someone highly recommended. But some of the time it is a TOFTT. I look into various sites and if I see a combination of pictures/descriptions/services that I love then I call whether or not she is recommended before but that is just me. When I call or most of the time exchange a few emails, I assess the risk factors (remember I take them in my own home as I am outcall only). I talk on the phone or in the emails asking a few questions in order to assess class, friendliness, honesty and discretion on her part and most of the time I go ahead with the date but not always.

The sight, feel and taste of A natural (unshaven) kitty really really turns me on...... Daty and kissing Looking iinto her eyes while I am inside her large puffy nipples Seeing that she is enjoying it too Soft pale skin with dark hair mini skirts (especially in a windy day lol :-)).

Lets celeberate the birthday of the best country in the world. Happy birthday Canada :-)

I can personaly completely relate to your post Cato. If I had ever started the thread instead of you, it would have never crossed my mind either at first that pictures posted publically on cerb (in albums) are considered private and also would have thought that most ladies would have been happy to see their pictures selected for posting in the best of the threads. Once concerns were raised last year as a number of ladies expressed unhappiness or anger about their pictures taken from albums and posted somewhere else on the board, then you (and a few others) reached an agreement that you would ask for lady's permission (or whoever posted the album) first before posting and that you did (and some other posters respected the agreement too but apparently not every one did. May be because they were not aware of the reached agreement) . Now you are asking everyone else also to please fully respect the agreement and ask for permission before posting anyone's picture in the best of threads. Again my hat off to you Cato.

Hear hear.....