Capital Hunter

Discreet Valley and Abracadabra are both same. No sorry I have no contact info for Lindsay.

Lyndsay was great. She was my favourite too for a while. She worked for DV after she left PK (which I don't think she was appreciated enough) for a while and then a few months ago she disappearred. I am surprised that there was never a review on her. She may be back to Victoria. Then Heidi became my most favourite until she left Ottawa too :(. I was sad for a while after I learned about her leaving. My new most favourite now is Julie Dream :D. She is so passionate and beautiful (body and soul) too. I felt like a teenager again for a while being with her. She took me back in time by a decade or two when I used to go to dance bars, meet a very young girl, come home together and have a great time overnight. A real girl friend experience.

Thanks everyone for your responses. Thanks girorok I feel better (I also received one PM strongly in support of unshaved Kitty kat). Great picture of shaved pussy cat Cowboy. You are very innovative in your posts. Based on the responses so far I guesstimate that around 80% are in favour of shaved ladies, which means I am not alone in this fetish. I wished the ratio was same for shaved ladies too (which means 20% would have been unshaved). What you guys in favour of shaving would have done if you were around as adults in the 60's and 70's when everyone was unshaved?? What a great time it must have been for me. On second thought may be not that great since I don't think classy escorts like we have now were around those days. Any of the ladies, if you happen to be on vacation and unshaved for at least two weeks, before you shave the treasure off, please PM me on this board :D. I have a PM from a member who says he would be equally interested to hear about those unshaved ladies. All the best to everyone and thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Thanks for the response capitalman and kih. Unfortunately I was underage those days when hair was ruling and by the time I pass the legal age (my first strip bar experience in 1988) the hair was gone already. Thanks for the encouragement (that hair will come back one day). I fear by then I will be so old that wouldn't be able to see or have fun with the hair :), or even dead!!. I am not so sure about Europe that hair is still the fashion. I have seen nude pictures from ladies in Europe and they are all shaved too. But you both may be correct. May be just the ladies in the modelling and entertainment shave but not the ladies in general public. To make the matter worse, I used to call asian agencies (yes in spite of all the B&S). Now even the Asian ladies have begun shaving too:mad:. I have a hard time finding an unshaved asian escort too these days (unless they are new arrivals). Well, I guess I have to accept the fact, as long as they don't start shaving their heads too:) I don't think I can ever get used to that idea, fashion or not. I say this because I remember in my childhood most if not all boys and men used to have long hairs. Then it got shorter and shorter and now the Beatles style hair is all but gone. Any other comments or thoughts from ladies and gentlemen on this subject?

I have been thinking for long whether I should start a thread like this, now decided that may be I should. I personaly have a very strong attraction to natural unshaved ladies (showered, may be trimed but NOT shaved). I have been searching for such a lady for a long time (among nude dancers and also SPs) and believe me it is close to impossible to find one these days. When I ask the question (I must have asked this question from hundreds of ladies I have met in strip bars and also SPs) they all give me the exact same answer and that is MEN DON'T LIKE IT UNSHAVED :confused: and they (men) will complain. This fetish has also cost me a lot in the past as I had to pay a lot extra for the dancer not to shave for a couple of weeks and then come over and do her private dancing. There was also another lady (SP) six months ago who promised me not to shave, if I keep on calling her back and she kept her promise for a few weeks until she had to shave as her regulars started complaining . I would like to have your thoughts on the subject fellow members (feedback from our very dear ladies also most welcomed as why they have to shave). Am I really the only guy who prefers (ten times) unshaved ladies (in which case I may need to seek some psychiatric help :)), or there are some other guys out there but don't say it outloud??. I think that natunal unshaved (but clean) kitty kat is absolutely sexy that I get very excited by just looking at it and afterall there is a reason for the hair to be growing down there at the first place as there is always a reason for everthing. BTW, I don't think that good hygiene is the reason, because if it is showered regularly it will be clean and germ free like the rest of body parts. Even if hygiene plays a role, well it is equally hard to keep the hair on the top all the time clean and tidy but ladies (and most men) don't shave it away!!. Why not the same for hair down there??. Keep it and keep it clean. BTW, when later I did a search I found out that I am not the only guy on the planet (I feel so much better now). Two other poor guys who were seeking unshaved ladies did NOT get any response at all and that was two years ago :o . http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=213&highlight=unshaved

The brunettet on the right hand side is fantastic. It reminds me of my dreamgirl.

I was in heaven with an angel today and I would like to share my great experience so that others can descend to heaven too for a short while. I had the pleasure of having the opportunity to spend some time with my dreamgirl, Ottawa's newest SP (Julie Dream). She is undoubtly the new Ottawa treasure. She is stunningly beautiful, exceptionaly friendly and a true GFE. Julie is a gorgeous brunette with sexiest lips, beautiful smile and stunning eyes. She made me feel she is truely my girlfriend. She was wearing exactly what I love and was exceptionally accommodating to my every need. Her pictures are very pretty but she is much prettier in person. The details of what happened between us will remain between us but in summary she is hot, sexy, classy, beautiful (inside and out) and passionate. I wish I could be with her every day and for the rest of my life. Thank you so much Julie for the heavenly time. Secret Admirer

Actually she was my mother's cousin and half German on the father side.

Courtney is a good choice (may be not as petite as you want) and so is Nina at PK (very cute, petite, teenage looker, spinner and GFE).

Just to update you on Kitty, she is as beautiful as ever (both inside and out) ever young looking sweetheart (looks like a teenager still) and is planning to go back to school (college) in September, but still will dance part time (I think she said Saturdays only). BTW, she reminds me so much of my very first love (my own cousin) when we were both teenagers.

A black mini skirt (at least 5 inches above her knee) with a white (easy to see through) loose underwear and as somebody mentioned already, a big friendly smile. And my fetish, wearing some recently showered, trimed but massive natural dark hair under the white easy to see through underwear.

If you don't mind someone twice your age, sure. Besides if I remember correctly, we have a common sweetheart (Kitty at barbarellas). Isn't she beautiful inside and out :). We might have seen or even met at barbarellas already as I used to be there every Saturday afternoon, couple of years ago (to see big blue eyed beautiful Mary Jane who was my sweetheart\angel and also to see beautiful Kitty). I have almost stopped going to SC though (the new hobby is much more fun) . I always date in private though (at my apartment). I used to have a number of dancers (friends) used to come over and dance for me in private (after having dinner, wine and chocolate) in full light (I am sure this is how it must be in heaven) before I started this hobby. Unfortunately never dared to ask above most favourite two dancers for private dance (I didn't want risk losing their friendships and most likely they would have declined anyway, so why risk).

Please refer to the following thread specifically on Asian escort agencies in Ottawa. http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=4427&highlight=asian http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=3738&page=2 I have recommended (the best I could find among asian SPs) two SPs in the second link.

I believe that the initial wide gap between supporters and opponents of providing photos is gradually closing (may be not completely closed). I for one, have become fully aware of the concerns expressed by some SPs with regard to dangers they may be facing every day in their jobs. I can now understand as why certain SPs may be asking for photos for safety reasons. Views were also put forward in regard to looks, physics, race and age and I still would strongly debate against that. A large number of hobbyist are in the hobby because of those factors (remember we are commenting on all not specific hobbyists) and they are using the Escort services (rather than much less expensive Dating services) for those reasons. Most (but not all) SPs are there to provide us with a GF experience as most of us used to have in real, a decade or two ago and may not be able to have that anymore. Some acting so well (although some may be real) that they make us feel loved and we miss them so much soon after they leave and would like to call them back soon!!. Views were put forward in regard to the fact that we (the hobbyists) always select based on physical attraction and so should SPs. True, but “in my view” we are not service providers. People who go to theatres to watch movies don’t have to be as good actors or actresses (or as good looking) as the stars playing in that movie!!. I do fully respect SP's choice if she chooses to select clients based on looks though. It is her personal choice and she is fully entitled to it. As a specific example, I am approaching 40 myself, and had no problem to meet and date girls in their early to mid twenties until recently (particularly in Montreal where I used to live in the 90’s). However, I found it increasingly difficult to meet girls in that age range that I am most attracted to, in dance bars or social events over the past few years (may I add that I am still young looking and in good shape, but may be no Richard Gere though). And that is why I decided to start the hobby less than a year ago in order to continue to be with girls in the age range that I am most attracted to (the ones providing GFE services). I am fully aware however, that most likely this is a fictitious moment that I am buying and it is unlikely for a twenty year old to be so attracted (and in love with someone she just met) to a man twice her age. but this is the whole idea of Escort services (or at least this was my understanding until now). Those guys who are young (in their twenties) and very attractive and athletic will have no problem meeting young and attractive girls using dating agencies or in social events (like I used to, myself until recently). Escort services however, are in large part for more mature but may be not very young or perfect looking guys who wish to be intimate with their dream girls (unless I misunderstood the whole concept of escort services). In my view, those who provide the GFE services regardless of their clients’ looks, age or race are the ones providing professional Escort services (No offence intended to anyone, it is just my personal view), and yes needless to say that FULL RESPECT FROM CLIENTS must be expected too. Looks, age and race are factors beyond our control. These are not choices that we make in our lives, but being respectful is. Just imagine how difficult it would become for me (and may be many others), in a decade or two from now, if Escort services turn gradually into Dating services when we have to provide our photos and be selected based upon our age, (may be race) and physical attraction!!!!!. I have a much better understanding now on the part of those SPs asking for photos for safety reasons and I have no problem now providing my photo to a well known SP on cerb provided I am totally convinced that the photo requested is for SP’s safety concerns. However, I will likely decline and move on to the next SP, if I am calling an unknown SP (especially if her picture is taken from the back or hiding her face) or if I am not convinced about the reason for photo request. In particular, if I am calling someone half my age and she is asking for my photo that could be for this new physical attraction, age and race criteria. At the end I would like to add that it has been a very interesting debate that we were able to put forward our views (in support or against) on this very interesting topic, mostly in a very healthy environment where we were able to learn from each other and may be also able to change a mind or two about some of the important issues (SP’s safety issue in particular) and I thank everyone who participated sincerely.

We are all adults and debating a very interesting issue which means we put forwards our views and learn from each other and may be convince each other. Debating requires that we put forward all pros and cons and possible scenarios (even unlikely scenarios). Expressing those pros and cons is a requirement for a healthy debate and should not be offensive to anyone or considered as very low as a result of misunderstanding or wrong conclusions (or taking the words out of context). I certainly have learned many concerns that exist on the SPs' side as a result of this thread and sincerely grateful to those who put forward their views. As a result of this debate I am leaning to accept fully the safety concerns on the part of SPs who are asking for photos, but still not convinced as a valid reason for those asking for photos in order to find out about physical attraction, age or racial background and I don't think I ever be, as I consider escort services different with dating services in this regard. Both Hobbyiests and SPs are divided on the issue. But overwheming majority agree that it is a personal choice and people (both SPs and hobbyiests) are entitled to their choice.

As I have said a few times before, the issue is a personal choice and an opinion and you are entitled to your opinion and so am I to mine. BTW where did I say that SPs don't have the right to choose or ask questions:confused:. I thought I was clear that the SP has the right to ask for photos (which meant she has the right to choose to be with only those with whom she is physically attracted as you pointed out) and the hobbyiest has the right to refuse too. And BTW I don't think faults like no teeth (unless smiling but easy to hide) or greasy hair or body odor will show up in the pictures . BTW, this new criterion (physical attraction) will disqualify many hobbyiest who are in the hobby for their physical reasons (age, physical look or shape, may be race) and gives new concepts to escort services (it is more like dating services now!!!) and again this is my opinion.

Thanks for clarification mod. Knowing this will help me to be more open in my questions related to services when contacting an SP or when calling an agency which so far has been almost all cases (I have been reluctant to contact independents or SPs on CL so far as I have to email and I was under impression that it is illegal to ask questions related to services in an email). Now I see also why most agencies (Discreet Valley excluded) are not afraid of answering service related questions on the phone.

Please do not think that way Dreamgirl. Based on what I have read so far the board is divided in half between those who are willing to provide photos and those who aren't. That is why I commented earlier that I don't remember seeing a thread so divisive. I think that you will be making lots of money (my guess is also based on your picture), but may be not as much as those who wouldn't ask for pictures. It also depends if the SP is well reviewed and well known (in which case most wouldn't mind to provide pictures) which is applicable to you (you are not SP but I think you are well known to members here) or a new girl on the scene on CL (in which case my guess is most wouldn't provide photos). BTW blackmail has really nothing to do with being adult or child. It is just business when it happens (i.e. for extorsion purposes). But I do acknowledge it will be rare. My point is, why take chances, needlesly.

So some two hundred thousand or so government employees who need clearance on regular basis, they all have web presence!!!!!!. And yes they are no VIP (you don't have to be a VIP to need clearance or having to pass moral judgements by family, friends and colleagues). And if your picture is attached to your email to SP's email address then it could NOT have been pulled from your face book or yourspace account!!. It is attached to the email sent by you to the SP (not to mention that the email with picture can be a follow-up to possibly previous emails asking possibly for description of services or an appointment).

Correct me if I am wrong as I am not a lawyer, but I think that, it is solicitation (the picture on her PC) rather than the act of prostitution (being caught in the act) which is illegal in Canada. Not to mention all the married hobbyiests who can be blackmailed with a picture on someone's PC. I think that the example of prime minister was a rather extreme case though (unless it was meant as a good humor). There are thousands of people in this city needing moral and security clearances for their jobs and unlike prime minister their pictures are not readily available unless they personaly provide them. Again it is important to note that we are NOT debating any specific hobbyiest or any specific SP but we are debating the issue in general as applicable to ALL hobbyiest (with various issues and different circumstances) and SPs (again each one having a different circumstance).

It is not a matter of being insulted or being stubborn about refusing to provide a picture in return. We are just debating an interesting topic and it is an important issue and thanks to Kubrickfan for starting the debate. Like any other debates there are two sides to it and each side presenting their case (the pros and cons) and that is what making it most interesting. This issue is particularly important in Ottawa as I think Ottawa is relatively a conservative city and a government city too. I remember some years ago a member of parliament had to resign in disgrace for simply being seen to be in a strip bar (or seen just going there I can't remember exact circumstances). I don't think things has changed much since. Some people who need various moral and security clearances for their jobs on a regular basis can be easily blackmailed, may be not by SP herself but who knows who are the person or persons behind her business. Again it is important to remember that we are commenting about all the SPs who may be asking for pictures (including the unknown ones on CL) and not a particular well known and well reviewed SP on cerb. I maintain the view best described by Kubrickfan and ekimout and that is, it is a personal choice for both the SP and hobbyiest. The SP has the right to ask for info (pictures, personal info, etc.) and the hobbyiest has the right to refuse and move on to the next SP.

To be honest I don't remember seeing a thread so divisive. Some are commenting strongly against sending a picture to an SP and some strongly for. But there is no reason to be fuming over this issue. The buttom line is that it is a personal choice and an opinion. Everybody is entitled to her or his opinion. It is as simple as this. If you like to provide your picture to an SP (that most likely you know nothing about her or the person who is managing her business, especially those on CL) this is your personal choice. By all means go ahead and do it. And If I choose not to, then that is my personal choice. Remember that we are commenting generally about providing our pictures to SPs (or whoever is behind the scene. That is the person or persons who answer the phone, respond to emails, may be drive her over or simply manages her business). That is every SP who may ask for it. And not about any particular well known or well reviewed SP on cerb. As someone commented that it is hypocrisy on our part (as we are asking for SP's picture and not willing to provide one in return). I would comment that this is different because we are the ones who are paying for the service and normally the one who pays is asking for information not the other way round. Again what is important is that it is simply a matter of personal choice and everyone is entitled to her or his opinion and this is my opinion. Retraction: ****************************************************************************** Soon after I posted this article I received a PM from a well established senior member that the word hypocrisy used in his article was NOT referring to the following situation: "since we are asking for SP's picture and not willing to provide one in return" I am therefore posting this retraction with regard to my earlier comment in this regard. ****************************************************************************** I do maintain my view however, that since we are paying for the service, we can ask for information (picture, services, descriptions, etc.) and not the other way round.

Yes I feel exact same. There is no way I will provide a picture of mine even though I am single and I take outcalls only (which I believe is legal). In this business discretion is very important and if an SP or two do not wish to respect that, then there are plenty others who will. Even if there is a very slim chance of problems down the road (i.e. blackmail) why take a chance?.

Actually I am surprised to hear that. Mileage has come down since the bylaw, I admit, but still in Ottawa they can take the underwear off in the champaign room. Not so in Montreal (which is $10). If you are looking for mileage only, then I recommend Taboo, Barbs abd Playmates. Mileage not as high as Frontiere, or HillTop of course (and not as expensive) way out at the Quebec Ontario border. Frontier stip bar near Montreal is a high milage bar too with FS. Rigeau was a high mileage bar with great looking girls but unfortunately they closed 2 years ago

I think you are referring to Cabaret Canada. It used to be a fairly good place (never classy) with good looking young girls and high mileage. The beautiful blonde Foxy was my most favourite. A real doll. She is no longer there. Not anymore. Things have changed. I haven't been there for a while. The last time I was there was a few years ago and it was real bad. There is a review by someone on CC on the other board who has been there recently, if you are interested.