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Understand that dancers deal with cheap, creepy assholes all day long. My advice and golden rule? Don't be a cheap, creepy asshole. Be respectful, kind and clean. No matter what you seek, it will always be more enjoyable if you create an environment that is pleasant for everyone. I have been fortunate enough to meet many wonderful women who are intelligent, kind and beautiful; and happen to dance. Start with that and then proceed to question #4. Your mindset going in will determine what type of experience you seek. While I prefer some degree of connection that is heightened by intelligence and good conversation, others may be looking for specific physical features and a quick grind. Depending on your mindset, specific guidelines will vary widely but are less important than mindset and respect.

When I noticed her she was sitting by the stairs but she wasn't there the entire time. I have no idea regarding name and she did not go on stage while I was there. There were a LOT of dancers working last night! Does my description make sense? Straight hair Wasn't long.

I was at the fax last night. There was a dancer with whom I did not have an opportunity to engage in conversation. I was with a group and had to leave shortly after I noticed her. I'm hoping someone might know her name and when she works. She was on the short side, curvy, busty, straight Brown hair. I understand that is a very generic description :) She was dressed unconventionally - quite conservatively - skirt, some kind of sweater over a tank top. Was laid back and not aggressive in approaching customers. Any chance that rings a bell for someone?

What a jerk. I appreciate cuties of all colours and find the fax is blessed with some terrific cocoa-coloured ladies. I hate to think that some wonderful ladies may move on because of one narrow minded complaint. Speaking of which, any Jayda sightings? . I think I may have seen the infamous kilt boy yesterday afternoon. I mean, does anyone else actually wear a kilt to a strip club?

Kilt boy, any news regarding Jayda's return? I lost her number (damaged phone) and would appreciate any updates. Thanks!

He said "erotic hypnosis". That very clearly makes this the ideal place to make such an inquiry. I have noticed You have a pattern of getting into arguments because you don't pay attention and then go off on self-important tangents related to a far removed conversation you mostly have with yourself. Let. it. Go.

I had the pleasure of meeting Malaysia on her very first shift at the fax. I believe I was her first customer. She is special and I was equally impressed when I spent time with her. She is beautiful, bright, happy, seductive and intelligent; all qualities I find very desirable. Kiana was also there on Friday.

Pics are obviously fake. Most of the pics in her ad are of Julia Ann.

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With all due respect, I don't think that's what most people are suggesting. It's certainly not what I said. When I go to a club, I fully expect to spend and it is a luxury that I enjoy. I previously stated that I don't care about the $5. I am generous and tip, so that's not the point. Your frustrations about customers are valid, I just don't see how they fit this conversation about a silly tax that does not go to the dancer. The $5 is insignificant but they've made it an issue by associating it with something the customer doesn't value; a song counter. It would be like Costco charging me $5 at the door for the person that checks my receipt. It doesn't serve anyone and it's not enough money To Significantly change the club's business model. If you want to suggest higher per song rates, higher drink rates, I'd be okay with all of that because it is a luxury to me. Dances and drinks are things I value. To Meg's point, of course they can make any decision they want. That doesn't make it a good decision . I run a business and while it's not a strip club, I certainly don't go out of my way to highlight administrative tasks, create negative experiences for insignificant amounts of money, then yell at my customers for being cheap and tell them I can do whatever I want because I'm the owner. If they want to draw better dancers, then charge more per song and get them paid. If they want to renovate the club and create an upscale club, then add an extra$2 per drink and increase cover charges. They need to figure out what they are trying to accomplish.

Agreed. As I said, I'm not concerned about the $5. It's the principle. All this was caused by a few small isolated cases of overcharging. This lead them to create an entire system that makes customers feel taken advantage of while also fostering potential conflict between dancer and client over who pays. Terrible business practice that wasn't well thought out.

It is a clumsy and misguided solution to an insignificant problem.

I figured. Thanks for the confirmation. I had her number but accidentally deleted it a long time ago. She was inconsistent with hours and clubs, so I had hoped she was still around and we weren't crossing paths.

An ebony dancer named Asia used to dance at the barefax. Curvy. Anyone know if she is still dancing? I haven't seen her in a year or more.

She works a mix of days and nights. It can vary but Tuesday nights, Thursday days are consistent. Almost always works Fridays but can vary between days and nights, sometimes both.

Regarding the free buffet, it's a pretty simple calculus. It either brings in enough people to justify doing it, or it doesn't. It has always seemed like an odd pairing to me, with a strong potential to attract the wrong kind of customer. Any successful business needs to have a clear strategy to reach a defined ideal customer. Any strip club that targets people looking for a free meal is confused about their target market. Good riddance in my opinion.

Eye contact and approachability are key factors. I suspect the OP is shy and that can often be misinterpreted as giving off a vibe that you do not want to be approached. No matter how beautiful a dancer might be, it's a very tough job with plenty of rejection. Dancers are human and averse to rejection too. Make eye contact and smile, even a slight waive when you've made eye contact, make it clear you are interested and you'll have as much attention as you can handle.

That's how we roll. Unless there is a rule that specificly requires we drop'em. Then it gets freaky. Additional Comments: Agreed. Personally, stage plays almost no role in who I choose for the CR; panties or no panties. Aside from general attractiveness, conversation, personality and compatibility are far more important and that is decided at the table. I also often request that a dancer go slow when in the CR. I typically stay awhile and want to let the dancer know she can take her time and get comfortable with me. This creates a comfortable environment that benefits both parties and I've never had a problem with boundaries. Fiinally, I'm not saying the 'no panty ' guys are all creeps. H&K seems like a good guy who really likes strip clubs. I just think they are losing their minds at the thought of vagina and seriously losing perspective and consideration for the dancers. Now I'm off to prance in my tighty whities for guardian.

I don't have any issue with this statement. I used the term undertone with the specific intent you describe. If others attitudes are more nuanced, that's okay. I feel a pretty obvious perspective is being overlooked in this discussion and interjected: purpose of a discussion forum, yes? Despite a lot of noise in this thread, the OP seemed to be miffed about the relaxing of a policy that allowed a dancer to choose to keep her panties on for public and unpaid part of her gig. Before = policy with no choice Now = dancer has choice OP interjected that the vote was about original policy - his own clarification. Second issue is the bogus economic argument. Strip clubs are suffering for many reasons including accessibility of porn, ease of finding escorts and ma who give more for less (ie this forum) - not because dancers aren't dropping panties on their third song. Bottom line - if you want strip clubs to survive and have quality dancers ,then respect the dancers, pay the dancers. I think we all agree that when you're in the CR the panties are dropped, so what's the problem? A problem only exists for those who aren't paying and respecting the dancers.

Sorry, but this isn't about your feelings or your character. You're using a lot of words but they only show that you aren't connecting the dots. You're planting a lot of trees and then claiming you only planted trees, while denying the forest. If you really want to support and respect dancers and the industry, then SHOW them respect and honour their decisions instead of arguing for the reinstatement of old policies that *require* them to remove panties for people who aren't willing to pay for the CR.

Jayda is fantastic. Aside from her beauty, she is fun, sensual, classy and professional. Always drama-free, she is a pleasure at the table and in the CR.

Hunh? I think you need to go back and read your own posts. You not only specified policies, you clarified the type of policy. Popularity?! I almost never post and I posted against a clear majority. I couldn't care less about popularity, just found this thread particularly misguided and decided to speak up. You're pretty terrible at analogies and I think you missed some very clear and basic points. I'm sorry if my response upset you, but I think you need to give it all a little more thought.

I'd surmise that nobody is highly against a dancer removing her panties, so a more accurate comparison would combine 'no' and 'don't care' results, which narrows the gap considerably. The disturbing undertone of this thread is about a 'policy' that 'forces - This subject has a troubling undertone of male entitlement - and I say that as a man. If a dancer chooses to place limits on what she reveals on stage, I fully support that. If I find her attractive, interesting and fun, I will fairly compensate her in the CR for the privilege of expanding upon mutually agreed boundaries. Demanding 'rules' around 'required' panty removal is just creepy and disrespectful, in my opinion. You don't own a dancer because you purchased an over priced beer. Dancers deserve to be treated with respect and are entitled to impose their own limits. If you don't like it, choose a different dancer for the CR. if you're not taking anyone to the CR, then what right do you have to complain? You aren't paying her. Strip clubs attract a lot of people who do NOT contribute to the financial well being of the club, or the dancers. Guys who sit in the front row and nurse a beer with no intention of springing for the CR. These people have an over inflated sense of their worth to the club and dancers.

I guess I'm in the minority on this one. I could not care less if a dancer removes her panties on stage. A free vaginal inspection is the least important factor to me when looking for a CR partner.

I acknowledged that it could have been awkwardly expressed in my first sentence. On the other hand, the thread title and discussion are very clearly focused on black girl cap and the arguments relating to violence and pimps have nothing to do with either but are more commonly associated with racial stereotypes. As I said, hopefully it's just a misdirected tangent.