Eric Northman

It's really a term that transcends this industry and appears in many different online forums. See the Urban Dictionary definitions for variants.

Hmm...pretty sure the title of this thread is "Ladies, what do you expect from your clients?" not "Tell me about that time you saw someone with a stinky pussy" Seriously guys? If you see someone who is a professional, it's their fucking JOB to have a nice clean pussy and everything else. I'm not sure what ladies you guys are going to see but maybe you need to re-think your base price point. You get what you pay for and I guarantee that none of the classier ladies who are charging premium rates would stay in business for long if hygiene were an issue. I would bet that better than 9 times out of 10 the one with hygiene issues is the guy.

piano8950, I know what you mean. I once went through a phase with a lady like that myself long ago. I don't think she needed or wanted saving and in retrospect, I think it was very arrogant of me to assume that I knew better what was 'right' for her. It ended in misery and as I look back, I really have to question my own motives. At the time I felt that I was pure of heart but in retrospect, I think a lot of it was ego and low self esteem on my part. Trying to make myself feel better by being a selfless saint, rescuing this poor helpless girl with no ulterior motives whatsoever. What a crock of shit. Treat women like people and take the time to listen and understand them and don't assume you know the answers to their problems or even what their problems are in the first place. Chances are you're wrong and chances are you're doing it for the wrong reasons anyway.

Stay strong whatever it is. I've been in bad places before and it's no lie that it's always darkest just before the dawn. This too shall pass and all that. Good luck.

I think it's the whole 'Pretty Woman' thing. The guy who wants to 'take you away from all this,' or 'help you out with your ads,' or 'take photos for you,' or some other things that sound borderline pimpish. From a providers perspective it's often considered patronizing, insulting and infantilizing. Implies that they can't take care of themselves and need a man to step in and protect them. It tends to get bandied about on some forums as an insult to any guy who ever steps up to defend a provider. eg: Joe Bunghole: She's such a stupid slut. She wouldn't let me stick it in her arse without a condom. Johnny Whiteknight: WTF dude? Why are you such a jerk? She's a perfectly lovely young lady. Peanut Gallery: STFU white knight faggot. LOL looser.

Would you jack off in a boat? Would you jack off with a goat? Would I? Could I? Think I should? It's so fun to rub my wood.

Perhaps you're not seeing the right ladies or maybe you're overly sensitive to the natural odor of a woman. Nobody is 100% odor free but I've certainly never found ANY of the ladies I've seen to be anything but immaculate in that area. That being said, perhaps some of you guys could quit thread jacking and let the ladies answer? This wasn't a question for y'all.

Every chance I get. Hand held porn devices, aka mobile phones, have made this so much easier too.

My thought process when I look at the other sites (as well as this one) is less along the lines of review specifics and more like a statistical sampling. True, there could very well be negative things posted for the wrong reasons and one needs to take them with a grain of salt, especially in someone who is otherwise well recommended. A pattern of poor reviews, however, is more worrying. I tend to think of it more as a formula where I rank things in importance as follows: 1) Being listed on CKs site is pretty much a deal breaker for me. He seems particularly trustworthy and I'm just not gonna take a chance. 2) Recos here divided by time. No recos, very infrequent recos or nothing recent is something I take as a warning sign. Not a deal breaker per se but perhaps a sign that more careful vetting is required. There are lots of non-sinister reasons why information might be scarce. Some ladies are very low volume or have a lot of regulars or just tend to get the kind of customers who don't write recos. 3) On sites which allow reviews, the positive to negative ratio. You can disregard outliers on both ends of the spectrum since a few overly fawning reviews might be shills and a few really bad ones might be grudges. If there are enough reviews left after that to allow a valid statistical sample, I'm just looking for an overall feeling of more positive than negative. All this being said, it's pretty rare that I ever go to any of the other sites. Usually just curiosity when I see someone asking a question like, "Hey, I saw this Mandy on BP...any recos on her?" It's fun to do research even if you don't actively plan on seeing someone. As a side note, I feel very lucky to have all these resources at my fingertips to ensure a good experience. The funny thing is, in spite of all this talk, I personally tend to not actually do much research at all and just go on my gut and whatever communication I've had with the lady. Seems to have worked out just fine most of the time so far.

This! I know for a fact that some ladies won't set foot on some of the other boards which are "wretched hives of scum and villainy".

Dad at Health Clinic: You know what your problem is? You're putting the pussy on a pedestal. - The 40 Year Old Virgin I think you're probably right about it hurting your interactions. Not necessarily badly or permanently but it's kind of like living alone for a long time. You become set in your ways, your opinions and habits become hardened, you think that 'your way' of doing things is the best or only way. Then you suddenly have a partner and have to unlearn everything. I think that by not jumping in, you'll be getting all your (mis)information second hand, whether from porn or just other peoples stories. This might set you up for confusion or disappointment in the future. No matter what it is you're doing, there ain't no replacement for experience.

I think it's a great idea. Multiple redundant government programs and subsidies could be eliminated. I bet the overhead cost reduction alone would pay for a lot of it. In my opinion, the biggest problem with many welfare/social assistance programs is that they create a disincentive to work. It's not intentional but rather a side-effect of clawbacks and broken taxation rules. Consider, if you are on social assistance and then get work, you lose access to many benefits and other income. You often will be considerably worse off by working. It's perverse but real and people living around the poverty level will often choose not to work, not because they're lazy, but because they can't afford to. Loss of child care or other benefits plus higher taxation make working a losing proposition. IMHO, the greatest benefit of a program like this is that there will ALWAYS be incentive to work. You will ALWAYS be better off by getting a job but there will still be a social safety net in place if you need it. As far as the 'justice' of giving this to people who are making 100k a year or whatever, with the tax brackets these people are already in, much of the 10k would be retrieved anyway. So the claw-back still happens, just at a much higher income level where it's completely unnoticed. For those of you making good money here, would an extra 10k a year really be a life-changer one way or another? For myself at current rates, an extra 10k would probably less than 5k after taxes which isn't much and to be honest, if it meant a better society, I'd probably be happy to pay a slightly higher tax rate to claw more of it back.

Violating my rule of never getting into a debate with Mod but I would provide a counterpoint by example. I saw an ad for a lady not too long ago who didn't have any recos here. She wasn't on CK's page either. I went searching elsewhere and what did I find? Review after review describing her as cold, rushed, unprofessional and disconnected. Distracted with her phone, etc. Not mean or biased reviews (from what I could tell) inasmuch as they all described her as very beautiful, just like her pictures. Just that her 'bedside manner' was very lacking. Someone like that falls in the cracks. People wouldn't necessarily be able to say something nice about her for a reco here. But on the other hand, she's not a bait and switch or a scam either so she doesn't really go on CKs page either. I get that it's a fine line. If you open the floodgates to 'critical' reviews, the site can become a cesspool like some other sites. I believe you've made the right policy choice here as evidenced by the quality of discourse on CERB. On the other hand, obliquely suggesting to someone that they might find some useful information elsewhere might truly be doing them a solid.

Heh. If we're gonna talk cover bands, I much prefer Walk Off The Earth. Their Little Drummer Boy has doggies!!! Yay doggies...everyone likes doggies right? ;-)

You're right. I'm just being being a grumpy cat. Apparently I'm in a mood today. Alright then WBS, vaya con Dios. One of the things I love about this place is I'm sure you'd be welcomed back if you ever changed your mind.

Exactly my point. If you want to challenge peoples perspectives then you better be able to take a bit of heat. I posted a prickish reply here and I expect a few people aren't going to like it but I knew that when I wrote it and I accept the consequences. The reason for my harshness is that I don't see a purpose for making a production about leaving. If there were some people he was close to then he can PM them and say bye but I question the motivation for starting such a thread in public. What is he trying to say? "You people are mean and I'm leaving -pout-". It seems designed to elicit some sort of reaction, to manipulate opinion in some way. Is he looking for some form of affirmation or for people to beg him to stay? I don't know but it sounds more like something you'd hear from small children in a playground than something posted in a forum for adults.

I'm going to take a different tack here. Don't let the door hit you in the ass. This is the internet and if your skin is so thin you have to take your ball and go home after one rough thread, you should stay off of computers. Hell, that thread wasn't even that bad. Yeah, you were a bit of a prick and got called on it but damn son, someone can get flamed pretty damn hard around here when they get out of line and you got off easy. 3 encounters in 8 months means the ladies aren't really gonna miss you. You're not a major revenue source and they don't know you well enough to have a real opinion about you. You don't want to be here any more? Well then just stop posting and disappear. Don't start a pity-party thread looking for us to beg you to come back. Either that or go out like a real man and start a massive flame war and get yourself banned. Then you can really tell people what you think. Like Neil Young said, "It's better to burn out than to fade away." (JK Mod...not trying to incite a riot. ;-))

Funny how things happen sometimes. Just after posting to this thread I came across this article in my newsfeed: http://gawker.com/on-smarm-1476594977 It's talking about the counterpoint to snarky negativity on the web often being smarmy, obsequious "positivity" that is just as bad or worse than the nastiness that it was meant to counter. Maintaining a civilized discourse on the internet is an incredibly difficult challenge and I'm not convinced anyone has solved it yet. CERB does pretty well though IMHO.

I think an escort, by virtue of her standing in society, is in a very different position than a physician. Women in this profession have often been victimized, marginalized and denied protections that would normally be extended to others. If you go to some sites which allow unrestricted 'reviews' you will see some fairly nasty and hurtful things said about various ladies for reasons that may or may not be remotely legitimate. CERB has taken a default position of not allowing ANY negative commentary about providers. While this may seem to be 'unfair' or 'biased' to some, keep in mind that this may be one of the very few places some ladies can openly be themselves without fear of negativity. This is not to say these ladies are delicate flowers that need protection. I'm simply suggesting that much like various affirmative action programs or hate speech laws, society sometimes needs the social justice pendulum to swing far off to the opposite direction before finding a happy medium.

In the past I've also replied to people asking for recos with something along the line of, "There are reviews of her on another site that rhymes with this one," which is sufficiently vague and allows someone to go get information with which to make up their own minds. If a date didn't live up to your expectations, you may find out by doing more research after the fact that your expectations were perhaps set too high for the lady in question. A little research can sometimes go a long way towards preventing disappointment.

I totally look EXACTLY like Eric Northman...trust me. ;-)

Funny how everyone is like, "Ooh, controversial subject..." and yet no controversy. Clearly what's controversial in the US South is not controversial in Canada. I blame our educational system. I've heard of a concept called "The God of the Gaps" where creationists keep getting pigeonholed into smaller and smaller 'gaps'. "Well, you scientists are so smart, then explain the gap in the fossil record between austrolopithicus afarensis and some other fossil..." or whatever. I enjoy the concept because when I ride my motorcycle, I too worship "The God of the Gaps," who, in his mighty wisdom, sees fit to grant me gaps in traffic just big enough to allow me to commute at 150 when everyone else is doing 100. Blessed be his speedy goodness.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Loaded+handgun+seized+from+caught+soliciting+prostitutes/9200017/story.html Sounds like they're using undercover officers to bust johns.

That song is so fantastic. You may not get it but maybe you're missing the point. It had its 15 minutes of internet fame, spawned a number of clever memes and was generally a fun and silly bit of light hearted humor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fox_(What_Does_the_Fox_Say%3F) Cheer up man. The world isn't coming to an end.