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And if anyone asks for locations, even general area can put the lady at risk. This is something they can inquire with the lady in question, for very obvious reasons. If he can't ask her that, ask yourself the many reasons WHY THAT MAY BE. Our DISCRETION is very important, dont think for a second that LE doesnt use these boards to find out info. Other reasons a guy may ask a guy for location are safety related, remember not all clients understand the sp/client dynamic. Or simply wish to drum up trouble if he was declined an encounter.

"At the same time I have read more than once about 'timewasters,' so there is indeed a fine line that you must walk. Follow the lead of the SP and if you don't get enough from her prior to meeting to give you that comfort level then it would be OK in my opinion to not make the date and even explain why." I wouldn't get stuck on it being a fine line. If you are sending numerous emails seeking complete description of everything from the layout of our bedroom to what we will wear, say, think and ask what size we like, and where we like it, was this always the case or did we have other prefrences at another time in our lives....... if we have ever done this extreme porno scene or that one and if not why not etc. etc. Who our neighbors are, and if they are also sp's. etc. etc. Do our parents know etc. etc. This is a breif and somewhat mild version of a time waster, you should be fine as long as you dont make it seem like you are simply trying to get off through email communication I see no cause to worry hun. As long as you show up or cancel with plenty of notice, then no time is wasted.

I agree without a mentioned safe time frame to call back, I decide to play it safe and don't call back at all. I also would consider that they are simply busy for a short while and keep trying. It wouldn't be that surprising that by waiting for a call back, someone else called and reached her, booked a time etc. Prebooking an encounter is generally the best way to go, as there are often many days a week you men all have the same thing in mind. It's always amazed me how every so often my phone blows up.

I don't recall anyone ever asking me this? And not all winnipeg ladies charge same for multiple hours as our hour rate. Perhaps you should not lump us all in a group stating none of us do this, I have posted a discounted rate for 2 hours in all my ads for many months. Anything over 2 hour I would need to consider after feeling out a gentlemen.

Lot's of gentlemen try to do it this way. For myself, I don't become available til I have had a brief conversation. If I say I'm available and I find the guy strange, ignorant or drunk/high when he calls for location how would I then get out of the arrangment without ruffling feathers? I can't say "you're acting like a douchebag so appointment canceled" that would be asking for trouble. Yes I could say I'm no longer comfortable getting together, but here in winnipeg that would get said alot and in some cases the guy may correct his initial contact mistake and try again not drunk or not as agressive ect. Calling to briefly introduce yourself very much helps me dismiss any anxieties of the uncertain, so I can then focus on preperation of an outstanding encounter. But I appreciate that everyone has different needs and prefrences for all sorts of valid reasons.

yes but your a reputable provider. If it's a unknown provider and depending on where you happened to stumble on the ad (escorts canada will not tolerate scammers if reported) bp will allow scammers to post regardless of how many complaints and flags they get or they can simply keep creating new emails to post ads (there are examples of this with a particular lady on winnipeg bp) she is mentioned in warning section but often switches her name (ironically she uses same pics) I had assumed perhaps this may have been a bp ad the OP was referring to. In which case I would be cautious for sure with all the warnings that gentlmen post here and on other boards and on bp itself. Attempting to arrange a good time and having it become a dangerous encounter of another sort would be horrible and I think it's terrible that some people would prey on a industry that has enough safety and trust concerns as it is here in winnipeg.

I would keep in mind their are long term scammers listed in warning sections here, and mr.jetz etc. so perhaps ask why you can't quickly speak over phone maybe, or when would be a good time to get her on the phone.

I would say that any incall provider would be risking her and your own safety and discretion if she were giving out her address as simply as through text. If she is known and reviewed or recod. it would still be riskier regarding incall discretion as she isn't even protecting herself to be making sure she is speaking with a gentlemen before giving out her address. Outcall i guess would be your choice. If I were a pooner I would be weary of giving a home address without getting a confirmation or feel of the sp through a brief conversation over phone. Lots of the gentlemen on bp start their contact texting "what's your addy?" this is totally ridiculous and I don't even bother responding to indiscreet guys (or girls for all I know) when they do this as they clearly have no respect or discretion. Hope that gives you a lil insight.

.....blushing..... Xoxo xxx! Additional Comments: .....BLUSHING..... XOXO XXX!

Merry XXX-MAS!!

well perhaps she deletes her ads at night, to avoid calls that will wake her. Maybe try again in a.m hun.

just search her name on bp silly

you mention email and text messages from him, but have you spoken to this guiy over the telephone? Regardless of male or female, he/she needs to be reported to police. They will be more than happy to correct and charge this individual for impersonating an officer of the law and harrassment\uttering threats etc.

I accidently erased my response so here we go again..... My personal reasons behind requesting a phone call to discuss an encounter are.... 1. SAFETY. It is hard to determine a person's demeanor over email or text. The person may be drunk, high, rude, ignorant, agressive, a gang banger, someone I know in personal life, creepy, a client I won't see or stopped seeing or even possibly a WIFE or SO of a client attempting to get info or my location to cause problems for me. Anyone can make multiple email accounts and there are free text programs that you can fill the sender number with whatever you choose. Booking through text or email leaves little we can do should someone harm us, especially without a real number. Winnipeg is brutal for no shows/ no cancelation. We have to take measures to not have our time wasted multiple times by same person who can simply create another email. Sadly there are also a few silly immature providers who will book fake appointments through text, I'm assuming they think this may help them get appointments. From personal experience I have reduced the number of no shows no cancel bookings significantly by only booking after speaking to a gentleman over the phone. This helps me to determine if he seems discreet, polite and uncomplicated. It also gives me the chance to ask if he has any questions as I won't discuss rate or services in person. I recieve well over a hundred texts a day (clients/personal etc.) it is time consuming stopping anything I'm doing at the time to text a bunch that would be easily spoken over a quick call and allows me to multitask. It's also difficult to stay organized when you have gentlemen texting, pming on multiple boards, emails etc. I like getting emails for those with reasonable questions and such, but I can't check my emails and pm's all day for last minute inquires for a visit. I don't take texts all that serious as majority don't intend to actually book or show up. I recieve multiple first contact texts asking my location. If I were to book through text only i would be blowing my discretion, safety and the discretion/safety of the gentlemen who visit me. If you are concerned about phone bill showing numbers you are calling you should definetly invest in a pay as you go hobby phone and keep it at work or somewhere safe. Once I'm familiar with a client, I sometimes allow them to text book. if they need location again, I ask they call to ensure it is them and not a SO asking after snooping through pc history or cell phone. Discretion is extremely important, especially for those providing incall. I would question the discretion of a location from a sp who will give her location to any text who asks. If she were to cause enough attention to herself with neighbors or police or an SO causing a scene, the police could bust the lady for running a bawdy house, and if you were there when it happened you could also be in trouble. To put it simply we screen our clients a many ways that you wouldn't consider. I am not concerned with missing potential clients that cant meet this simple request for an encounter. many sp's ask for refrences, work info etc. What a lady prefers, to be able to feel comfortable and safe makes for a better experience for both you and herself. There's always a method behind our requested form of contact. I have been very fortunate to not have regretted any encounters I've accepted by using this method and wouldn't be willing to see clients who i haven't spoken to over the phone. Just my 2 cents, hope it helps to appreciate why we may ask this of gentlemen. Additional Comments: forgot to mention that you can have all your texts stored online by your cell phone provider. I think you need to pay to do it but I could be wrong.This is how parents keep on top of what their children are texting, in cases of needing them for a court order etc. So i would be a tad more paranoid about someone reading your texts word for word then if you are found out for possibly making a call to a sp. and yes we "realize" that we are losing a few potential clients, this is why we screen people. Despite my profession, I'm not interested in being intimate with someone who doesn't first introduce himself with a brief call. Doubtful that there are many circumstances in our life where we can be intimate with another person without speaking to them. Also, wouldn't a gentleman want to be sure he is at least speaking to a woman and not possibly someone who found or stole her phone, or a guy in general for your safety? What if she was arrested for something related or not, and you were in fact texting with an officer (highly unlikely but still) I doubt you want to be discussing paying for services with someone who isnt the lady you thought you were contacting. you should look out for your safety too.

Aww, thanks baby girl! xo

Deeper/Emily I admire you for still giving your initial starting rate to your true & trusted clients that helped get you where you are today. Showing appreciation goes a long way :smile: I appreciate not only them but all the gentlemen I've spent time with. They all have supported me to accomplish goals well beyond my initial hopes. There aren't words to express my gratitude, so I do everything possible to express this in our encounters..... I've been considering a special similiar to your customer appreciation day specials, but with all the discussion that ladies do specials because they are losing out on buisness, etc. etc. leaves me torn. I would be very uncomfortable entertaining someone I met through running a special who felt the special was created out of desperation rather than appreciation for those who have reservations due to my rate, or have a set max. rate they are comfortable spending. To run a appreciation day that fellas don't view as such would really rub me the wrong way. In regards to suggestions that by lowering rates=more clients. For me having multiple men coming and going from my incall is rather indiscreet for both parties. I am in a smaller block, not a highrise building. I also have made the personal decision awhile back to reduce the number of guests I entertain, as I was not balancing things very well and it led to a few missed appointments and somewhat of a sexual "burnout" period, (which I chose not to entertain til I got my "MOJO?" back. ) Despite everyones differences of opinion, this has a been an informative thread (at least for me) It is dissapointing to see so many stereotypical comments and assumptions from many of the winnipeg gentlemen, I feel this city over many others, has alot of negativity towards local providers and I have seen this negativity growing towards the touring as well, not often here on cerb, but the other erb board. It should be noted that this negativity, along with assumptions INHO is a "JADED" mentality that those gentlemen seem to constantly wish to install on others. I dont know your personal reasons for being this way, what I do know is, pushing those views on non jaded lurkers or newbies and even non jaded pooners is very dangerous to us providers. Seeing those who think the sp world owes them something for whatever reason be it wasted money, bad encounters etc. puts us in an even more vulnerable situation. Like a JADED provider is considered not worth seeing, neither are JADED hobbyists. I should not be made to feel bad over any previous experiences anyone has had. Nor should any other provider who has not caused you bad experiences. I only ask that you please take this into consideration, and should you choose to remain negative about this hobby, kindly don't push to make other gentleman feel the same way. Oh by the way, Happy Holidays!! XOXOXO (I promised myself to not post anymore in this thread)

I still see the gentlemen whom I met at my previous rate for that rate. I do this to reflect my appreciation for them, as they took a chance on me as a non reviewed provider at that time, and helped me to reach personal goals that meant and still mean the world to me! I don't think all the slagging of bp is fair though. Many providers travelling and local use this site, and from my personal experience having only advertised on bp til very recently, I've met all the gentlemen I've spent time with off this site, and all my reviews and recco's came from those gentlemen. To judge a provider based on where she advertises, and to suggest she advertises there cuz its cheap (if this was the case wouldnt all the terrible sp's advertise here on cerb seeing as it's free) My -------- ads bring more inquires than ec and cerb combined, despite many are not ideal and or not serious inquires, I have found no need to advertise elsewhere, and only began to do so because of statements made by gentlemen about bp advertisers. Nor do I use professional pictures (haven't had the time)or plan on developing a website, personally don't want one. It's kinda strange how bp advertisers and bp gets discussed as a total waste of time, yet, your all using it! so when dissing bp and making statements that generalize those who choose to advertise there as crappy sp's and bad providers and SW's, you are calling us all these things, including myself, and many other well reviexed providers. Frankly I find this offensive, especially when said by someone whom I have spent numerous visits with. Please consider this next time one of you is inclined to make generalized statements like ALL providers on bp are SW's and / or crappy urine smelling incall girls. Just like we as providers need to weed through the less ideal encounters to ensure our safety and whatnot, you fellas gotta weed out the risky overpriced, bad service providers. It is what it is.....

Going all the way back to the original question. Sweetie choose a rate that you feel comfortable with. I myself wouldn't set my rate same as those who travel, as it is my opinion doing so can and will cost you more encounters than you will gain finacially. (consider that rate includes airfare and hotels etc) Again is only my opinion but may help to determine a rate. Whatever you choose your rate to be, always keep in mind that fellas would like the entire time they are paying for, and to be treated like your guest (one who's clothes you can't wait to tear off) If you go out of your way to provide a wonderful, unrushed experience to those you see, they will feel your rate is worth every penny!

I didn't see it before it was removed, and wouldn't waste the money, I'd simply flag it for removal Additional Comments: thanks for all the info, I will be doing this very soon. I have found who it was that used a photo of mine, so if need be I will simply email her to grow up.

could you pm me on how I might do that? and thanks for the suggestion.

I recieved a private message that someone was using my pictures in their ad earlier today. Unfortunetly it is no longer there, does anyone have an idea by telephone number or other, who may have been responsible for this. I always have my name in my ads and my number hasn't changed so please, if you see an ad using my pics, please let me know.

I was trying to quote a post at top of page 2 in this thread here. Consider how it may Psychologically affect US to have you assume that all providers are being forced to lower rates simply cuz some are. Does it not occur to you that the ladies lowering their rates are perhaps those you consider to be SW's, who's services I have yet to see being recommended or reviewed. It's assumptions like we are going to HAVE TO lower rates because a few have, that are the exact reason the OP shouldn't entertain negotiations to her rate. Might I ad quickly that BP is getting out of hand. I have recieved threats for not agreeing to a lowered rate just yesterday, followed by abusive emails calling me a good for nothing this and that. This alone is plenty of reason not to lower your rates to what someone thinks he should pay.

If a GENTLEMAN isn't ok with a specific ladies rate DON'T SEE HER! It should occur to some that what a lady chooses to charge for you to be ALONE and INTIMATE with her is for her to choose. By attempting to FORCE lowered prices to match those of the lower rate extremely high risk offering (likely desperate and or drug addicted) ladies currently advertising on winnipegs bp, you are asking us to take further risk to OUR HEALTH and the HEALTH OF THOSE WE SELECT TO INVITE TO BE INTIMATE WITH US. I am not interested in spending time with anyone who negotiates my rate, as this completly turns me off. May I ask what fellas are willing to compromise for the negotiated rates you think we should be charging?! Rates went up when expectations for BBBJ, and many other services did. Providers are taking way more risk to their health, so it makes sense to me that rates would rise also. In winnipeg our rates are much lower than plenty of other provinces. As much you may wish, you won't turn Winnipeg into Montreal, end of story. If you want to endanger yourself seeing high risk bottom budget service providers, by all means do so. Don't think it is acceptable to haggle a ladies rate, she set her rate to what made her feel ok with providing services at a risk to her safety and discretion. I'd suspect by seeing a lady whom one has haggled down in price would result in a less than average encounter simply for making the lady feel you did not think she was WORTH HER RATE!! I will add that I am in no way suggesting ladies with lower rates than myself are that which I have mentioned above. I am only reffering to the woman whom take whatever they are offered, and those who are advertising as "down for whatever" Guys, reading these conversations about our rates on the other erb are enough to make a lady want to raise her rates, PLEASE do us a favour and don't see us if you don't like what we charge as it will not ever be good enough if you feel you are paying more than you should. At the end of the day, there are plenty who DO and WILL pay our rates.

It would be nice if bp had an option to buy more letters, I always have to remove half the ad I create due to their letter limit, I would have no problem paying a bit more to not abreviate nearly every word on my ads. I doubt you creeped anyone out if you treat the ladies as you have mentioned. I myself have a made a few rather large slip ups regarding appointments. (Usually due to jotting it down somewhere random and not putting all in one place) and also when I was moving from hotel to temporary rental and again to an apartment. This is something I have been working to fix, to prevent doing so again.

As much as I hate to admit it, -------- is how I met the majority of great guys I've entertained, many of them multiple times. As was suggested I never book anyone without quickly speaking with them. This has helped cut out the WOT and non serious inquires to which there are plenty. I also think there is alot to be said about guys who text for address as their first contact. I'm not sure why anyone would think this would be an acceptable introduction, regardless of them being cautious to areas of city, it will never come first to my safety and discretion. Generally I find the early a.m to dinner time inquires to be the most uncomplicated, many will attempt to book extremely short notice (which frazzles me, personally) but there is a large "man with a plan" group who will book with notice and follow the basics that you ask them too such as call from car when you arrive etc. I always took preference to those who would text a short introduction about themselves, along with when i felt would be the best time to call. I always thought this was sweet and very respectful. If you can handle and weed through the b.s there are many gentlemen hidden within the nonsense enquires and rude downright weird risky morons. The positive side of -------- is these guys are very transparent, so you will quickly discover if they are not worth seeing. The downside is that some hobbyists will test you with rude inquires for bb services as this is how they minimize their risk on a personal level. Which I sorta can appreciate given the increase in sp's offering these life threatning options. I actually had an ad flagged and removed within 5 mins for simply posting "if you are seeking services = russian roulette I AM NOT YOUR GIRL!" Apparently this isnt aloud to be posted, but no restrictions, and down for anything, anywhere, anytime is?! Advertising here is also helpful, as is maintaining a profile to help the guys get to know you better. (and you can post longer ad, as bp has very small letter limit!" Also when I book encounters, I ask them to call to confirm the encounter an hour or two before the time booked. This helps me to confirm they are still serious at which time I then provide my location. that way it is far less likely to have given my address only to have them cancel. When booking in evenings to late night I often have them drive to a location or intersection close to my incall and then have them call from where I asked them to be, and then provide my address. This has cut out no shows almost entirely as of recent. If you get bad vibe, trust your instincts! I also think it is very helpful to get any questions they may have, this simple question often offers surprising answers that would have otherwise been asked once you are at your encounter together. Such as "if i only have 80, what can we do?" or "I assume your down for anything" and "so no restrictions?" " do you do greek" "can I bring my friend, can my friend use the rest of my hour after im done?" "can i just come by quickly and jerk off in the corner for free cuz im new in town and have a six pack" "how much for a 5 min bj?" "do you like black cock" can you take 13 inches?" in all holes?" "will their be anyone else at your place?" " can I bring drugs?" and so on and so forth. Asking them if they have any questions as you prefer to get all that out of the way so you can focus on having a fabulous encounter, has many, many times, saved me from otherwise inviting individuals to my location that would have wound up negotiating me once in my door, or compromising my safety or just plain creeped me out and been a regrettable awkward encounter. It also helps to save weird or WOT callers as such to remind you of them when and if they attempt further b.s. with you. Last but not least, if someone is asking alot of questions with services and your location do a search of the number on -------- to ensure you arent wasting your time responding to a lady who has nothing better to do than ruffle your feathers. This isn't unheard of as many of the ladies on -------- have no sense to focus on improving themselves instead causing issues for providers they feel may be a threat to them. You may want to look into escorts canada's 2 week trial offer, as EC is far more reputable to hobbyists, I only just did this myself today so don't have an opinion just yet. Welcome to cerb, and I hope all your encounters are respectful, enjoyable ones. Feel free to pm me should there be anything more you may want to enquire. I myself started out as an indie earlier this year, and found cerb to be full of answers to questions I had yet to consider asking myself. Props to all the members for all the threads I've read into the wee hours, many, many nights. I learned many, many inportant things from this site and all the great members that contribute here. xoxo