Jasmine Rain

First I don't know what you would feel this discussion is not civilized but I will try to continue the discussion anyway. To the first bolded part, I believe I can speak as an SP because I was a dancer. So if I have experience from both sides. There are many SPs who were in massage and changed as well like I did. So that is why I feel I can state my opinion on both. To get to the point about services offered. SP services are Full Service. That does not mean sex. That means everything including sex. That means the possibility of massage, striptease, sexual services, dinner dates, social outings, overnights, companion trips, etc. I don't know how better to explain it but escort services include MA and SC services. You don't go to a MPA for a striptease, you don't go to a SC for a massage. I don't get your confusion on this. Most escorts, however, are like me and only offer those services in a limited fashion because personally, I want to focus more on the intimate sexual acts vrs the teasing. To the second bolded comment, I don't see where there is judgement happening expect regarding discussion of consent. And as you have stated everyone is entitled to their opinion. Not to mention that some opinions about men licking vaginas of MA's without prior permission are just that. Opinions, not judgments. At least not in my opinion. You are free to disagree. However, I will ask directly, do you think it is okay to do trying for a sexual act first and wait for a no, or should men ask first and wait for a yes?

I work as an SP who offers massage services and have worked in a SC. I am going to agree with Cat. I really wish that while I was working in the SC, I was respected enough by clients and management, to ensure that only SC services were offered and received. The ladies who offered "take-out" made it so much harder for us who did not want to offer FS or BBBJs. Clients would always push boundaries and say "so-so" does it. Management would not care so long as LE didn't find out. Other then that, they did not do a thing to prevent it. If those ladies wanted to escort, they should have just done it like every other escort. When I offer a MA session, I will not allow SP services. Other then some light kissing and maybe a show of my breasts, it is a full massage with HE only. I won't even go as far as a BS because I think if you want the full MA experience you should go to a MPA for it. Sadly, clients, ladies and agents/management are never going to agree and therefore there will be "spas" that are basically incall agencies and "take-out" from SC. And SPs can certainly offer some of the related services of SC or MPA but for me, from me, it is a limited experience because if you want that full experience, I feel you should go where those are offered. I only offer a sample of those as well as my main FS SP session. Having said all that, the facesitting thread brought to light a major issue. Not necessarily about who should be doing what in the business. What was concerning is men feeling that they can "test the limits" by sticking their tongue on a lady's vagina without prior consent. The idea that the best way to get consent is by doing first instead of asking first is the main issue in my opinion. It seems really simple to me - if you want to try something with a SP, MA, or dancer - YOU ASK FIRST. Full stop. You don't try the physical act and wait to be told no. I think that is the shift that needs to happen in society. It has to change from trying and waiting for a no to asking and waiting to receive a yes.

I don't see a need too in my opinion. I work hard to keep my site, my twitter and my ads recent and accurate. I am not hunting down a paper to take a selfie with it daily. That is just too much. My opinion is, if you are that concerned, move on to another lady. I want my clients to feel comfortable, but I will only go so far. Some of that responsibility is on the client. Do tin-eye and google image searches, read reviews, etc. I put in my time and effort as much as I can, and I hope you do as well. I am actually very impressed and attracted to men who take the time to read my site and my ads. It shows me the appreciation for my efforts and I like that. Those guys are the ones who get the extra attention from me. Instead of a pic of BP with a paper that everyone sees, they get a private pic emailed to them out of the blue with a special little sexy note. Now I know not everyone is like me, but do you want generic or do you want something different. Sometimes taking the time yourself, brings about the greater reward.

LOL - it does take some maneuvering. That is for sure.

I know that a lot of ladies don't do it, and I don't do it often, but when you are going down on him in a shower for two. I really like the water falling all over my face while doing it. I think it is a good visual for him and certainly fun for me to perform. Again, doesn't happen much with the makeup, hair done etc. But it is a nice treat when it does.

We understood what you were saying, maybe you misunderstood. We just didn't agree in some way or another and stated that. However, yes - not a debate thread, so getting back on topic....

I have a website that has rates, services discretely listed and has pics. Guys should learn to read instead of wanting instant answers with no effort on their part. If you lack effort in reading my site, I wonder if you lack effort in the bedroom too. Since I am all about the sex, this is something I look out for personally. And I don't understand wanting a "description". Makes no sense and as stated, it is illegal for you to ask so some ladies are actually trying to protect you. Imagine that. LOL If you want something, say it. Why ask such a vague question anyway? What are your services? Or the best one, what are your restrictions? Because you really want to me to list all things I WON'T do to you. That is a huge turn-on right? LOL Just saying I am looking for BBBJ, DFK, DATY, etc etc. Is this ok with you? Easy as pie. Just keep it simple.

You just described my Friday session, LOL. It is really awesome to be able to have that with a client, or in your case as the client.

I bet they are pretty but screw 'em if they don't like them. How else are you suppose to balance with boobies, right? You need feet big enough to do the job! :wink: I have 3 dogs. Pomeranians to boot. They are crated and in the basement for my appointments. Even people who like dogs don't get to see them. You are here to see me, not my dogs. Let's not waste time on them. Clearly, I don't use them for protection. The bear spray and Louisville take care of that if needed.

There is a thread on another board about a guy looking for a lady with 9.5 or larger shoe size. I have tiny feet. I find that guys really like them because they are so cute and dainty.

Don't ask me something like that in a session. I will be totally turned off and it will ruin things for me personally. I can't speak to others. If testing is a big deal for you, don't get into this hobby. Any lady's response would have to be taken with a grain of salt. The standard reply is every 3 months, but if you think a lady/agency is going to say anything different or say, "I don't get tested" or " I get tested during a physical, maybe once a year" - I have some land in the Sahara for sale for you. No one is going to say something that will be hurtful to their business like that. Having said, I don't think anyone owes you or any other client, information of their medical practices. Unless the person actually has an STD, is on their period, etc. - when and how often they get tested is their business and you just have to trust they are professional. Plus most women are not going to take a huge risk with their money making body so most take care of things naturally anyway. There is risk involved in this hobby. Either accept those at face value or don't partake.

Very recently I had a client say " THAT gave me the feels..... :biggrin:

I get turned off by the attempt to by-pass my screening. I am not talking about the one time email from a guy who has never seen an escort, wants me to be the first and asks how that can happen if he can't provide a reference. I am talking about the guys who say they are great guys, but just don't feel comfortable giving their info. and they keep trying and trying after you have said no. Why do I have to change my comfortability for you? You are not comfortable giving a "hooker" your name and number, but I am supposed to be comfortable bringing a stranger into my private home????? But I am a good guy, I have daughters, I would never hurt anyone. Ok, but I can't take your word for it which is why I ask for a reference. Does anyone let a person into their home they don't at least know their name and phone number????

Well, I guess we are not talking about the same thing. Because I was not talking about random people. The OP was talking about a friend, so I was thinking along those lines. Why would I think about "random" people? Why would you be talking about random people? They don't seem to have a place in this conversation. And just because someone is a good friend, doesn't mean you agree with the same things or have the same stance on polarizing topics such as involvement in the sex industry. Good friends, even families, have been divided in the US because of their political views coming to light years after the friendship was made.regarding Trump/Clinton. We or I should say I, am here to post for the OP. I don't care about the "friends" possible opinion after time or discussion on possible relatable issues, or getting them to "relax" so they open up about their opinion, or opening their mind to new possibilities. That is just too much to get into. He knows his friend and should judge it according to what he knows now, not what they may think if he does this or that. Should he tell his female friend about his life in the hobby? Unless you know for sure she is accepting of the industry, the answer is no. It will ruin the friendship. Period. You said at first to tell her his hobby, you changed that to FWB and now we are just talking in circles about change opinions, opening people up with "truth or dare" and "drinking". That is beyond childish if I am being totally honest. You seem to choose to use this strong language to paint a picture with and then when called on the said language, you change your stance. Change it to something along the same lines but "less" then what you originally said. You say a "few bottles of wine", which would allude to drunkenness due to the volume you state, but then say - "Oh I only meant a couple to relax" I was going to get out this thread before, I probably should have just left it there. My brain wouldn't be dizzy with this circle chasing. So I will do so now. However, my advice to you in the future : Either say what you mean or mean what you say. Would make discussion much easier.

Maybe it is that "chosen way to express myself" that is getting in my way, but you were the one who brought up drinking to loosen someone up, you were the one that brought up talking in pieces and half statements to gather intel. You also brought up that a person's opinion is not always their opinion and unless you probe them a bit you don't find out their "real" feelings For me, if I want to know someone's opinion on something, I ask them and I take their answer at face value then call it a day.

That would be a matter of opinion and not reflective of facts. I am sorry. I also think that getting a person drunk to "open them up" would only invite BS when they were sober. But I assume you would then pull the hypocrite card if they did change their opinion the morning after. I guess I see in a way some of what you are saying. A cunning con man will wait until the right moment to lure a person into whatever the con man wants like talking about a little here or a little there. Always hinting so that you are the one to actually bring it up and then they pounce. Or kind of like the person who wants to borrow money. They will talk about their hard financial issues hoping you will offer to help instead of directly asking. It all seems like games and manipulations to me.

Again, I have no idea what that has to with his thread or my post so I have no idea why you posted it. I think I would find it easier if you just stuck on point and didn't try to cloud said point with creative writing attempts. But that might just be me.

I quess we are both speaking English just not the same English apparently. I know who you were referring to when speaking of hypocrisy. I don't see what that has to do with him telling her anything. Maybe because I don't play "games" or get people drunk to get to know them. IDK Anyway - moving on past that, I think we both gave our own advice on the issue so I will bow out now.

I am sorry this was a thread about him, not what you think or feel is hypocritical behaviour. I don't know why you keep discussiing that. Maybe a topic for another thread??? Your advice read more at the beginning like he should just tell her that he used SPs and if she was a "real" friend, she would accept that. The FWB part I guess came indirectly later if you want to look at it that way, but it read to me that your advice was for him to tell her about this hobby. I simply disagree for the reasons stated. Reality is 9/10 you will be judged for it, so I would never advise someone to do it unless they knew all the risks involved. You can't know another persons risks by a few post on a forum. Not on something like this, so play it safe and refrain from talking about this hobby. My opinion is all.

To the first bolded statement - I know many men who hobby and never tell their male friends, yet the friendship lasts no problem. People who have been friends for 20-30 years and never share a single hobbying experience. Friendship lasts no problem so I don't see how that information has to come out at all. To the second bolded statement, dating multiple women in the eyes of a most civil woman is not nearly has bad seeing escorts. There is no better or worse there. Hobbying will always be 99% worse then having FWB type relationships. Unless he really knows her personal stance on the hobby, I would advise him to just keep his mouth shut. The risks are very real for him. The loss of the friendship, her telling others that he knows about what he is doing. The stigma, etc. You can call it whatever you want, hypocrisy or whatever, but it is not about your opinion on the difference between what women do and what they say. This is about reality and for him, he runs a real risk for telling her. To the OP: 1. She does not need to know about your hobby. 2. Don't stop going on civilian dates just because you hobby. 3. Don't date others only if you don't want to and if you don't, then just tell her you are not interested in dating right now because that would be the truth. Good Luck

I didn't think I was making a big deal. I thought I was just asking about your reasoning behind using the language that you did. I don't know how you came to the conclusion of "funny" or "direct" but you are entitled to your opinion on the words you choose to use. I can't comment to Exotic Touch Danielle. I can only comment on what I see, but if you left the comment was indeed insensitive, then I would suggest doing what I did by politely pointing out the offensive reasons as to why better language should be used in the future. Have a wonderful day.

I am sorry, I don't want to banter on however since you are polite enough to reply, I just want to be clear here. You think the best way to describe a turn off to use insulting language as descriptors?

I don't understand your reasoning on your choice of words for "walking pin cushion". It seems like a passive insult to those who enjoy piercings. I understand the first part of your statement. That is completely acceptable to say that you are not a fan of piercings and prefer not to see women who have them. However, I question why you felt the need to add to that opinion with such a snide comment. As for the second bolded area, I also feel that is a little over the top. Considering that is not why most people get sleeve tattoos. To imply drug use to all that have sleeves, is pretty insulting to those who simply enjoy tattoos. I just felt these two comments needed to be pointed out for what they were. Passive insults to women for no reason. At none that I can see. I know this is a Turn-offs for men thread, but that type of behaviour can certainly be classified as a turn off for women. In case anyone wanted an example from the other side.

Friendly advice in general is one thing but there are lots of assumptions here on your part sweetie. Just sayin'

Yes, I have an app on my phone I use to watermark pics. Also, even though I know it is a pain sometime, I do watermark the centre of my pics. I take tons of boobs shots for obvious reasons and I have found pics of my tits all over the place before I started watermarking. Not just with other escorts, it was on mainstream sites, pic sharing sites and databases. I had to stop using a couple of my own pics because they were scooped and used so much that when you GIS it looks like I am using fake pics from around the world. Even though they are my pics that were taken and used. LOL So now I watermark everything. eZy Watermark Lite is what I use.