Tempted Monk

And it would be good to know your location.

Lily Just text back politely link to your website, and nothing else. If guy comes back again with question like those, politely black list him.

Ladies and Gentlemen, Any other opinions? Is website needed? Does it really work?

Thank you Casey for bringing that old thread to the attention. Threads liken this one and that one make this site unique and special. Regarding the relationship in escort business... My very good friend, the woman I met as an escort, said to me once something like this: "Really good escort service is not about sex or physical satisfaction (what is a big part of it of course). It is about client fantasy, client dream. Dream can be different: being in love again (feeling forgotten long time ago), having close friend, being himself and not playing any roles... Satisfy client dream and you will make him really happy, he will return to you again and again. And making client happy is the best part of this business. But both party must know the line which should never be crossed, ideally". I think she was right, with escort, we are often looking for a dream which cannot be realized in real life. I incline to agree. Friend whose name you don't know, who you pay for the time together, who can disappear at any moment without notice? It is something different... Of course, relationships can start as client - provider and go outside the business - I have met the most incredible women in this industry. But in the context of escort business, it is rather paid "friend experience" service, exactly the same way as GFE (what is experience during the session, not the real girlfriend). I know it looks like contradiction to my statement above regarding good friend from this business.. She was the real friend, not paid one. At some moment, it became clear there is something more between us then just business. She said that having me as a friend was more important and meant more for her than having me as a client. And if I feel the same way we should stop our client/ provider relationships. Because if we continue I will have doubts if she wants to see me as a friend or money is the most attractive part. And if we have sex without business transaction, she will have doubts if free sex is the most attractive part for me. We decided to be just "pure" friends for a while and see what happens. Yes, later over years, we became "friends with benefits" but it is the other story... She had been my best friend, the only person who knew everything about me for almost ten years until she passed away - cancer... Except my family, this woman was the best what happened to me in my life.

Personally, as a rule (and any rule has some exception of course), I don't meet providers without website. And not just because website gives me more information (what is really good thing and I appreciate Lady's efforts to give the answers to my possible questions). If provider doesn't have website, it is indication for me that she doesn't care much about her business, doesn't really care about her clients, doesn't want to make extra efforts. And I prefer to meet the girl who does. As I said, there are exception of course but I think it is true in general. That question about rate does not always mean that guy didn't read website. There is the other reason for this as well. From my personal experience, rate posted on website is not always the rate charged by provider when I book an appointment. When I ask about donation for booking in the morning for example, I get sometimes lower rate that posted on provider's website as "morning" rate or "special" rate. The other situation, when in respond to my rate request I get the question how did I find this sp. If I mention website, rate is exactly as posted there. But if I came from BP or TERB ad, rate can be 50 bucks less then posted on website. I don't want to say that this is common practice, not of course, but it happens.

Nowadays, most of well established escort Ladies have personal website - sometimes small and simple, sometimes professionally designed and very sophisticated - but not all of them. If you go to Eros, 95% of girls who advertise there have website, many of providers here have site as well. But if you look at REDZONE - just some sp there with website, I don't even talk about BP - it is a different story. Website is intended to answer the most questions client can have: location, rates, restrictions, how provider looks like, etc... And it is supposed to be the reflection of Lady's personality (what is not always the case). But well written ad with photos has almost all info client needs in the brief form. So, does escort website really work or it is just prestigious attribute of well established provider, sort of "sign of quality"?

Maybe not exactly on topic but... Years ago I met 2-3 times one escort girl in Ottawa (I am from Toronto). A year later on one summer weekend I got text message from her. She reminded who she was and asked to call her if I could. I was busy and did not want to call but finally I did, don't even know why... She was in trouble and needed help. Nothing extraordinary - her purse was stolen with all her money, IDs, flight tickets. She HAD to return to Ottawa that day and could not find anyone in Toronto to help her. I just drove her from airport to Union station and bought her train ticket to Ottawa.. Consequences? That girl had been my best friend, the only person in this world who knew everything about me for almost ten years...

I had an interesting experience in such a situation (and it is not awkward at all in my opinion). There were two sp girls working from the same apartment, very different girls regarding appearance (one was curvy blonde and the second one - slim brunette) and personality. On my first date with the blonde one, she recommended me to try her friend as well. When I booked the second girl, first one was there too. They both greeted me, we had small talk, and then we proceeded to the bedroom with the girl I booked. It was this way for a while but finally we came to the better arrangement. I booked an hour with both of them: first HH with one girl and then HH with the second one. I had to say, it was very nice and refreshing experience! PS. Interesting that both of them preferred to be the second one (?)

I'd like to add some remarks based on my personal experience regarding this topic. Escort or private companion is a business of course and many business rules are applicable including the rates depending on market. But at the same time it is very specific, very personal one and the best escort service is always based on some sort of relationship. And because it is very individual - again, just my personal impression - higher rate does not mean better service, at least not for every guy. About being regular client...Over years, I was a loyal client of several Ladies. And, except maybe one case, I never had any direct rate discount. But I always had the other signs of appreciation which were really important for me. That could be keeping specific day and time reserved for me, not booking any other clients close to my session, spending more time with me just talking over the glass of wine or being my "shrink". Several times I got a free session as my birthday present - and the best thing was not free session itself (what is really nice:-) of course) but the fact that she remembered about my birthday. Or special lunch prepared for me with my favorite pancakes - that woman was (and is) really special. She retired from business now but we still meet from time to time. A lot of good memories when I go back remembering my escort "relationships" (or maybe relationships without quotes?)...

If you are looking for Asian sp in Downtown Toronto, Rachel (http://rachel9285.escortbook.com/) should be on the top of your list. This girl is the hidden gem. She has something special what makes us to come and see some particular provider again. Rachel is really attractive physically: pretty face, nice smile, excellent model type body with nicely shaped full size breast but many girls have all this. What separates her from many other women in this business is her passion and ability of being natural. She makes you believe that she has a good time and enjoys being with you, she is completely into it. That is something what cannot be imitated or learned - girl or has it or not. She is very responsive - you will know if she enjoys herself - and energetic partner who likes different positions and let you know what is the most pleasant. And her massage is way above average, better than with many professionals, plan HH for massage if you into it. I have been "in touch" with escorting for more than twenty years. I have met women of all possible races, skin colors, body types, and personalities. And I think this girl could be a real star in this business if her English were better.

Client recommendations by providers is pretty old idea. It is implemented the best way on TER where every client can have the "white" list of Ladies recommended him. Several discussions were here regarding this. The latest one is here: http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=210074 The idea is not supported by Ladies unfortunately.

I learned from my good and bad experience over years that when you become loyal regular client it can develop in two directions. First one: Lady likes you to be regular client. She gives you small signs of appreciation like remembering all your requests and habits, booking at convenient for you time (sometimes even reserving this time for you), never moving your appointment, never booking other client close before or after you, etc... Second way: Girl considers you to be "close person", sort of "friend" who will understand if she is not ready on time, or if she moves your appointment at last minutes, or if she has to book someone very close to you. You have proved your loyalty and that you like her already. You are supposed to be happy to help her keep her business running by accepting some inconveniences on your side. Both approaches have the right to exist, it depends on provider's personality. And it looks like the second approach is OP's case. But this is just disrespect of both clients. I would not come back again in such a situation.(IMHO)

It is well known that most Ladies have sort of "black" list of clients (no show, time wasters, rude and disrespectful, etc...). Do you have an opposite list - favorite or preferable clients who you are always really glad to see or maybe even ready to adjust your schedule to meet such a client?

From the recent experience, not sure about the best one but definitely surprising: Her: "I will have large size condom next time, that regular one is a bit small for you." Him (looking down): "Really? It doesn't look like really large to me..." Her: "Who cares how it looks like, it feels like extra large!"

Very well said!

Happiness? Seeing beloved around. And being remembered and thought about

Such members as Cato make Lyla the special place, very different from other escort sites. Congratulations! And hope to see you here long time ahead! :-)

The term "small BBW" looks really senseless if you consider it literally. But from my observations, the abbreviation "BBW" lost its direct meaning ("Big Beautiful Woman") and it is used more as a definition of body type - something completely opposite to "spinner". So, "small BBW" is someone who is not really big or tall but who has really curvy feminine body type. It is widely used in this sense.

First time meeting with the new Lady always remind me two things: - Spy movie: I usually need to call first time to get some instructions like street address, then go there and call again for new instructions... - One way blind date: I know something about that Lady - at least what she wanted me to know from her ad and website. And for her it is really blind date, she know almost nothing about me, especially about how I look like. On the other hand, one girl told me that waiting for surprise behind the door is one of the most exiting thing in this business. Not sure if many Ladies share this opinion.

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Ideal client definition can be different of course. It depends on the context and the point of view. One of the interesting one I heard: "Ideal client is the guy who comes, puts envelope with money on table, and immediately leaves. And repeats this every week". Lol. If you think it is just a joke - you are wrong :-). Financial domination is one of the forms of BDSM, and such a client is called "cash slave" there. Here is just an example of such a practice: http://www.kalaudiakink.com/findom.html And about other definitions: Fortunateone gave the excellent - clear and precise - definition of a good client. But what I asked about and what that girl meant is something above and extra, "icing on the top" of that good client "cake". Let's assume two things first: 1. All clients we are talking about are good clients according to the definition above. 2. We are talking about professional client - provider sessions only and NOT about any sort of "romantic" relationships or dating client outside the business - nothing about expectations like this. I will give let's say 3 "use cases" with the brief definition of two clients in the each. And any Lady can choose which guy she would like to have as her client (or regular client). CASE 1. Client #1 - 30+ tall, handsome, athletic guy. Client #2 - 60+ guy, not very attractive physically. CASE 2. Client #1 - Happy guy with easygoing personality who can easily keep the conversation going, has great sense of humor, makes you laugh. Client #2 - Shy guy, who is hard to establish contact with and who cannot support the conversation. CASE 3. Client #1 - The guy attractive for you in any way, the TYPE you could date IF you meet him in real life, outside business. Client #2 - The guy who is not attractive for you at all, the TYPE you would never spend time together IF you meet him in real life outside business. Remember? - all these guys are good clients by above definition. And if anyone says that she would prefer to see (professionally) the Client #2 - I won't believe her, sorry, it is pretty obvious. I guess, there is some sort of image of ideal or preferred type of good client who sp would like to see (professionally). Of course, it is personal and very different but I think that girl I asked gave pretty good general definition: "The TYPE of guy with whom you would enjoy time together IF YOU MEET HIM IN REAL LIFE, no business involved".

I returned to Lyla (CERB) after several years break (due to some circumstances). And I had a mixed feeling about it that time. It is like you return in several years to the neighborhood you grown up in. It is somehow familiar but very different: the other generation occupies it, landscape is changed, familiar faces are very rare. But this friendly and positive atmosphere was the same and that was the most important. Lyla is unique virtual community where providers and hobbyists live together as Ladies and Gentlemen respecting and supporting each other. This community built around escorting but the best part is amazing people you can meet here. I enjoy reading threads, participating in the discussions, asking questions. As escorting itself, this is virtual world, temporary escape from the reality, and this is a good place to come. If this atmosphere is changed there is no sense for me to stay here.

It is a question to Ladies (and maybe to Gentlemen as well). What is your definition of ideal client? There are several threads here with the discussions how to be a good client, what to do or not to do for this. And most of discussed qualities (like being on time, being polite, respectful etc...) are obvious qualities of normal business client who is interested in the business deal. But escorting is very personalized area, being polite and respectful is not enough for being attractive and expected to return. I ask you to look from this "personalized" point of view. I asked this question one girl several years ago. Her answer was: "It is easy. The ideal client is the guy with whom I would get intimate in the real life, outside the business". Do you agree with such definition?

I went through this old thread and caught myself on interesting observation. It is considered to be that we are romantic in our young years. And later we become much more practical and cynical, much more interested in "material" things and much less emotional. But it looks like most mature guys are looking for (or incline to) the "dream woman" provider type where emotional part is very important. And physical part prevails for most younger guys. Maybe we start value more personal qualities and emotional connection with age?

Over years, I had many "fantasy rendezvous" but I had "dream encounters" with one woman only... After I met that escort girl, I stopped seeing anyone else - this just didn't have any sense. From that day, I always waited for our next date and I missed talking to her, her smile, the feel of her body when I hug her, taste of her kiss, her laughing eyes, her silky hair... And this made every date with her the "dream encounter". I forgot long time ago that I can feel something like this. And I will be always grateful to this woman for that year when I felt really alive again.