WealthyCowboy

Hey everyone, I haven't posted in a long while but thought I'd share my experiences about sugar-dating as I have used the SA site for several years with great success. I have enjoyed about 30-40 incredible sugar baby relationships and the women were (for the most part) amazing, sweet, classy and some were ridiculously good looking. 80% of the time it was a hot fling that lasted 2-3 months and we end it on friendly terms. I never get upset or give someone a hard time. 20% of the time, we became long-term frisky friends, and more importantly, friends. Some of these ladies still keep in touch with me even though we are no longer intimate/moved away and just want to catch up. No money or gifts involved. Others will contact me from time to time looking to hook up and need a bit of help with expenses. I also have 3 occasional frisky friend relationships that have been ongoing for 2-3 years. The fun thing is that over time you can develop a black book of ladies that come back to you. You get to know the ladies well. Yes, there a flakes and fakes on the SA site and you have to weed them out. Many of your messages go without a response. What I have seen is that 10-20% of young women in my City become members at one point or another in their 18-27 stage. So many come and go. Most of them go on there for a week, see guys are idiots and move on. I suspect that many men don't know how to talk to women and just try to "buy" them (like property) and send them inappropriate vulgar messages offering sex for money. DON'T DO THAT!! I suspect these are the same fools that get blocked by MA/SP. Many of these ladies on SA are not MA, SP or seeking multiple partners. These are often students or ladies with full-time office or government jobs. Most of them close their SA accounts after we start an arrangement. I've had hundreds of them tell me they are just tired of young broke guys that are rude and cheat on them so they give up on traditional dating. If you can catch them in their first week online and show them you have class and will treat them well they often will accept to meet you for a drink. After that, it's about your skills, appearance and ability to connect. Also, this site works best for those aged 35-50 (unless you are older but have a youthful appearance and style). It's the honest truth. Many ladies have an age cutoff and you have competition. If a younger, more attractive, more generous guy comes along, you may lose out sometimes. I did my homework and operated a free female account on SA for a week before joining just to size-up my competition Usually, I buy a 3 month SA membership. I ask for a number & pics from all the ladies I am interested in and start texting within 48 hours or dump them as flakes. I get 20+ phone numbers and start to narrow down. I would end up meeting 8-10 ladies and choose 5, keeping a constant rotation. When I dropped to 2-3 women, I would open a new SA membership with different username and pics (**because some sugar babies get jealous and monitor your old account to see if you're active) and start the process again. If you are meeting a lot of ladies and not closing I think it's on you. I have a 50% success rate, which suits me fine. This site is worth it if you have time to engage women and can spare $2,000-$3,000+ a month. It is not like MA or SP where you just go for an hour. Most of the ladies would meet up for 2-6 hours and want both social (dates) and intimacy. Sometimes it can be a weekend away or even a week vacation together. Many ladies are willing to be your girlfriend for a week if you pay their way to a nice vacation in the sun or to Europe. Costs you $1000-$2,500 for a week of their time. Considering gifts and financial support, I operated in the average range of $200-$400 per meet. I don't pay or go for platonic; I have lots of friends. Usually, it takes 2-3 dates before we become frisky friends. It's a different approach though. It's not like giving cash in an envelope. Sometimes, it's cash. Sometimes, you hook up without any donations. Sometimes, it's overnight. Sometimes you make their car payment, you buy them gift cards, a laptop, new phone. Sometimes, you'll give them a ride or send them an Uber. These ladies often tell me they don't want to feel like an escort. Personally, I think it's BS because I like the MA/SP ladies too and I don't judge. But many of these SA girls are from different backgrounds and see it that way. I dated 2 ladies who were from wealthy families and their real-life daddies were lawyer/doctor/executive types. They were used to their dads giving them cash allowances and gift cards. Lol. If anyone here has had some luck on the SA site, PM me and perhaps we can bounce off some ideas. **P.S. These are simply my observations and experiences. Please... no haters or thread hijackers. The Wealthy Cowboy

If I am understanding this right from the previous posts... Door fee (80$) + agreed upon amount ($100-$200) = $180-$280 for an hour? I certainly can confirm what other posters have already said that some spas have an all-in set rate ($180 for an hour). However, you should know that extra tipping is common practice there too, so keep in mind that if the guy right before you tipped heavily... you may appear as the cheap bastard that didn't. Rightly or wrongly. Just saying. I have never been asked for more than $180 for 1 hour at the outset. What happens in a session, happens, and I recognize the extra efforts and show gratitude afterwards. I then repeat at the higher rate and for more time, so the lady knows what to expect when she sees me. I have gone as high as $300 for an hour and $550 for 2 hours if the experience was amazing and there was a connection that warranted an ongoing relationship. So I would say that for me $200 is my minimum and $300 my maximum for an hour. Most of the time, I give $220-$240 (on average) I also expect that if you have a particular fetish you may be asked for more. I have never had this happen as my desires are within the normal range of experience. Hope this helps.

Someguy: I know what you mean about those coming out of retirement. It can wreak havoc on those you are already seeing regularly. I've had the pleasure of spending a dozen hours in a week at a spa and it is quite enjoyable, albeit hard on the body at times. It's as if working is unimportant after that. Lol. I will share with you a piece of advice my father once told me when I was young: Do not spend less money, just make more! (And then spend it all on those beautiful ladies who deserve it).

I am a big fan of getting messy with MA's. A shower is pretty much a must at the end because we are oh so sticky and, well, extra sticky... So it helps if the shower is in the room. Otherwise, your shower robe will get... (you guessed it)... sticky. In my opinion, if you don't have water splashing all over, lips and tongues everywhere and completely drenched... you're not doing it right and missing out on the shower passions. I am ever so grateful that the MA's I see are willing to shower with me before and after and none have complained of getting too wet... (well, maybe in some spots :icon_lol:). I stand by my favorite recommendation... CMJ is beyond amazing!

Boone: I love the trifecta, but I think I have the one-up on you... I've already had a quadfecta (4 girls, 1 guy) at CMJ and will not soon forget it! You just have to ask for more... Jasmin is very accommodating. At CMJ, guys get treated like royalty :icon_smile: Anyone on here not a CMJ member yet? Lol. What are you waiting for?

My suggestion is to spend $2.99 on a can of whipped cream and lick them silly. :tongue: Now that is a tip! (And also throw in extra $ too, of course)

Boone: I don't think you can bump someone with money, unless it's a huge payoff: $5,000 for a weekend, maybe. You can't expect anything in return just for being generous. The male mind probably functions this way and expects a better experience. However, guys may be let down... That is not to say that some ladies won't go the extra mile the next time around because they remember you as the guy who takes extra care of them. But expectations may lead to disappointment. I think you should give because you want to and not worry about a return on investment. If you don't have any extra to give, then don't and I do not believe you will be penalized for it. For example, I've been known to give 100% tips to certain massage girls only to have a very boring experience the next time. So, tipping does not always ensure that you will get a better experience the following session, even if she remembers you. You can't buy chemistry... and some girls just have a lot of restrictions no matter who you are or for how much. Gotta love the girls that play hard to get... :icon_smile: My suggestion is to find a girl who is actually into YOU, spoil her silly right off the bat and see what happens. Besides, why would you want to spend time with someone who's not into you?

Ahh, but there are no horses at CMJ... only babes (like Kellyxo). :icon_biggrin:

Kissing is the gateway to a lady's soul. I start gently, softly and invite her to unleash her inner passion. It is my favorite part of a massage with my CMJ girls, especially Melodie and Bre. :icon_smile: And CMJ has a bowl of mints at the front door, so no excuse for ANYONE there. There is a reason they call them lifesavers, after all.

I must say I haven't met a lady yet who acted like a bull or had horns, though some were devils. :icon_lol:

RG: You sure are up early! I was not implying in my previous posts that ''feelings'' necessarily mean love (although it can), so I guess it will mean different things to different people. Perhaps puppy love is a good way to describe how it begins. I would say it is a feeling that you really like this person (more than just chemistry) and you could perhaps see yourself dating this person or being in a relationship with them if it is mutual. I believe love is something that is built over time and knowing the other person a lot better, but it can happen here too. Also, when you said ''A lady wants a good client, not a boyfriend'', that is not always the case (but most of the time yes). Speaking from experience, this has happened to me on more than one occasion (she, or I or both wanted more). Some of my best relationships came from unusual circumstances. I realize some ladies here will never entertain a relationship with a ''client'' but others certainly will. It happens more often than you seem to think. And let's not forget another scenario here where a lady meets a client she likes, leaves the industry and then chooses to pursue a relationship. This happens too. In the end, have no fear: Life is complicated and even if your feelings get hurt, you'll bounce back over time. Now I hope no one gets me wrong and thinks I am out there actively trying to find a gf on here (there are certainly better ways for me to do so), but I'm just saying it can happen naturally without expecting it. I also agree with Tempted Monk's comment about being able to have feelings for someone and not being weird about it. I don't think non-mutual feelings = death when it comes to a cerb connection, as long as it does not make the time spent together awkward. In my experience, mutual feelings will take its own course. I realize my view may not be popular, but it is based on my life well wasted. :icon_biggrin:

Cristy, there certainly are contradictions everywhere here. But I'd like to point to the ''hybrid'' scenario where you are both friend and frisky buddy. I give another example from my life here on cerb and the Ottawa scene. Some ladies maintain regular communication with me outside their work. In some instances, the lady is initiating and continuing contact with me by text, calls or emails. I've had some ladies that must have spent 2-3 hours of their day sending hundreds of texts back and forth with me playfully. And I was very happy and grateful to receive them. I believe it was mutual. So to put it in perspective, if I am seeing someone for 1 or 2 hours in a week and they spend 3 hours texting, talking and messaging, I take it as a sign that perhaps we are a bit more than just a business relationship. Especially if they are sending personal photos of themselves, their pet and friends. These are the kind of people that I could be connected to for life, even if we didn't keep a physical interaction. I'd still offer them a helping hand, a shoulder to lean on and my time and companionship when they needed it. In these cases, if it unfortunately has to come to an end, the ''break-up'' really feels like a break-up. I personally don't like hurting anyone's feelings and I'm telling you, it happens more often than you think. Also, I am reading some posts here focusing on the paid friendship aspect. I have personally always seen the exchange not so much as payment but as me taking care of someone who is taking care of me. I think folks get caught up on the paper currency aspect of it, but on a more primal and basic level, the male is providing the female with resources (money for shelter, food, clothing, etc). Isn't that often the case in some male-female relationship? (I recognize that there are many women out there who do not depend on a man, and some women are the ones taking care of their man. Just saying.) I perceive some sort of negative reaction when we talk about paying for companionship. It shouldn't be, IMO. In my non-industry relationships in the past, it was not uncommon for me to drop tens of thousands of dollars a year on a girlfriend in cars, gifts, travel, restaurants, shopping, etc. None of my past gf's ever asked me for something. I gave because I wanted to give and we had a great time exploring the world together. So why focus on the payment? Why can't we just look at it as taking care of or helping a casual gf or a friend? (and if the lady is already wealthy and I'm still paying her, then I'd have to amend my position and say that I am spoiling someone I care about :icon_biggrin:)

This seems to be a sensitive topic, and I am not surprised. I have been on both sides of the crossed lines and have had to end a cerb connection more than once (favourably and unfavourably). I sincerely did the best I could to be respectful and mature, but sometimes it just got ugly. I observed in all of my experiences that someone felt rejected in some way and it caused discomfort to say the least. Now some will deny the rejection and say they have no feelings for any of their connections. However, in my own experiences (can't speak for everyone), this was not true. To me, it's that 1 out of 20 that tugs at your heart. Guys and gals here have genuine feelings. Be honest. And just because you have not yet met someone in this industry that triggers those emotions, it does not mean that there isn't someone out there that can't touch your heart. It is possible. And if that happens and the other person ends it abruptly, rejection will occur. The nature of human beings and their chemistry make it very challenging to remain unattached to everyone you see. Some people will inevitably develop feelings for another. I know I have. And I have had others who felt that way about me. At first, I tried to brush it off as infatuation but I quickly realized the signs were there and I was denying those emotions. And I recognized those same patterns when the roles were reversed and someone wanted a relationship with me. So when it ends, it can be hurtful. I see that some ladies and gents here are suggesting they have the ability to control their emotions and always keep it professional... A wise policy and I admire their dedication to establishing defense mechanisms to prevent those awkward moments. However, I would wager some individuals in this industry are not the greatest at self-control. Just saying. I know you must have all met someone at one point or another who was not playing with a full deck, was in a financial jam or was under the influence of something that would affect their mood and perception. In my experience these people are even harder to reason with and ''break-up'' with. Have you ever tried to end it with a lady who gets really upset, yells and curses at you, calls and texts incessantly and then says they hate you? Well, it happens. And when they are intoxicated, it's a disaster. You can get hurt, physically. Been there, done that. How can we expect to control our feelings? I think the better word may be ''manage'' them. But in the end, if you had real feelings for another, wouldn't you take the shot to find out if it's mutual? If it is not mutual, then you move on and fast... and gracefully. I really don't think that having feelings or ugly ''break-ups'' in this industry is that uncommon, regardless of whether it's on the man or the lady's part. I understand the point some have made here that in an ideal world it should be dollars for dildos, but I know I am not built that way and I am sure other cerbites will feel the same way (even if they won't post about it for a number of reasons). If someone you've seen 25 times for years just disappears or blows you off, it will sting. Human curiosity and rejection will prevail. In any case, I think the topic took a tangent again and, although I did not believe myself capable of this, I think I just rambled more than Roaming Guy. :icon_smile:

Jobin and DB: I have been navigating these waters for about a year now and have to admit that I do gravitate to one woman in particular, although time and money in my case permit an endless supply of beautiful women if I so choose. Yet I still gravitate to this one... It can be scary to admit you genuinely feel a strong connection with someone. And you know you're in deep when you think of her every day and you think of her when you're with another MA. It almost feels like you are being unfaithful to her. Now I know some of you will want to slap me. Boundaries are being crossed. Playing with fire. All true, I suppose. But I resonate with the OP. I guess it's because I see these women as just that, women. If I like them, I like them and their present occupation is of no consideration for me. I make no distinction. So if I meet a woman I really like I would consider a deeper relationship if she feels it too. If she does not, I will keep it professional. I believe you know if it is more than just mutual infatuation. You just know. I expect the connection I speak of may be rare, but there are cases where a client and a lady have an actual romantic relationship. I expect this is way beyond what the OP is seeking: he probably just wants to get to know them better and I expect it may be as a result of years of healthy relationships with women where sharing things becomes normal. It can be difficult to turn that off and to become a fox in the henhouse. I believe the true you will emerge in the end. Some sensitive romantic guys may get attached, most guys will not, and the dirty ones will be just that... dirty. :icon_wink:

LadiesFirst: we do what we can. :icon_biggrin: My life was not always so. I started off with nothing but bad home memories and being broke-ass. It was not pleasant. It took a lot of hard work, great sacrifices, getting my hands dirty and having a good masterplan to turn things around. And there is always some luck, but no lotto tickets, involved. So now I am making up for lost time... The ''quad'' I was referring to happened at the infamous CMJ. I had already tried a Trifecta (3 girls) at the CMJ Halloween party and decided I should push for more excess and go for a Quadfecta (4 girls) at the CMJ Christmas party. It was loads of fun. I brought some champagne, chocolate dipped strawberries and a can of whipped cream for the girls. Lol. If you're going to go overboard, might as well go big or go home. :icon_lol: It was very enjoyable to try and keep track of where each of these girls were at times, but so much fun. And you have to be comfortable with yourself to have so many eyes on your body. It kind of feels like being at some nudist event or perhaps even being a female stripper. I have to say it made me appreciate those ladies' confidence and guts to be seen naked by several people at once. Maybe next time I can try 5 or 6 at a time. I'm game. I'm all about pushing limits and experiencing new things. And if there's no room to fit them all on the massage table, well they can just sit on my face!!! I also enjoyed the art of the full threesome in Ottawa. But dammit... this always happens: the ladies ravage each other more than me! Don't get me wrong, I love to watch girl-on-girl. Life is so difficult these days... But to go back in the vicinity of this thread, I pose a question out of curiosity as to how many gents here hook up on actual holidays (i.e. Christmas Day, New Year's day, Easter, etc...) and if that impacts the ''budget'' for some.