Wolf Knight

I've used the vibrating ones and while it was enjoyable for the lady I personally found the sensations too distracting. I've used the rubber /silicone/gummy ones like the one pictured above as well as one that goes just on the shaft with two viberators one on top and one on bottom for clit and anal stimulation (this one actually started to make me kind of stomach sick with all the vibes on my nuts ). I agree with the hair scrunchy as well, I just happened upon that one once when it was just laying on the bed pulled out during play. I've always felt simple is better when it comes to toy play.

Thanks, Eric. This is amusing and good for Newbies that might waylay some of those fears/jitters the first time. In my experience I've realized that porn videos are essentially the "how to guide" for BAD sex.

The answer to your question, is a definitive yes. Assume it applies to all ladies. Absence of having it specifically stated or written does not automatically constitute an invitation to negotiate. It would serve all clients well from an SP client positive interaction standpoint to always, unless informed explicitly otherwise, assume rates are non-negotiable. Ask yourself, in a situation where I would assume you as a client are seeking out an SP for a pleasurable experience, is it worth the risk for the sake of 20 bucks to jeopardize a potentially mind blowing experience. The fact remains that for ALL of these ladies (non-negotiators and negotiators alike) the better you treat them as a client and the more they feel valued as a woman the better experience you will have. (YMMV) I personally always seek the most pleasurable experience possible and quite frankly can't grasp why anyone would ever want to do anything that might even slightly taint that experience.

In my mind there are two types of respect, personal respect and positional respect. Positional respect is exactly that ie CEO I may respect the position but think that the person filling it is a complete idiot LOL. Hmmmm......After Vittos comment I'm questioning myself. Perhaps I do tend to automatically give respect up front and then only remove it if the person does something that I deem worthy of loss of respect. Thanks Vitto!

Miss Laurence, I did understand the greek symbol ρ (rho) is often used torefer to density and that your original equation was the correct equation for density = mass divided by volume. Also, you were indeed correct in your inference that when volume is less than mass and in particular when volume is approaching zero, density does move to infinity. This scenario that you are describing is commonly known in astrophysics as a black hole. I found your equation post so hilarious because not only did you convey in an unusual form that the posters question was not enlightened but you also described that this thread is quite becoming a black hole, whether you realized it or not. (Seriously, it's so witty and quick that I still giggle at it.) Now, I must apologize to you for taking my own liberties and modifying the variables of this equation to suit my own needs and try to make a silly post of my own. I had no intention to discount you point at all, just have some fun with it. I'll have to be excused for letting the typical man in me come out, thinking that I knew what to say better than others. As Miss Evans pointed out, when it comes to the business models and pricing of all you ladies that choose to offer your companionship to us gents you, and only you are the A (alpha) and Ω (omega) (beginning and end) of the discussion. For those silent majority out there and any other newbies who read this thread I'll say that in a environment where pleasure is (or should be) the ultimate goal of a client, it's not worth it to risk tainting what could be a fantastic human experience to satisfy your inclination to haggle or negotiate. If haggling is what ultimately gives you your kicks, go to a flea market instead it's much more cost effective. If pleasure is your ultimate goal then find a lady that appeals to you, grab a fat wad of cash that you know is at least twice what the rate that she might charge then contact her. For you newbies I added the little tip of having at least twice her rate because trust me there is nothing worse than enjoying your time with a lady and finding that you're having so much fun then having to just up and leave with a feeling of wanting more. By having twice her rate then you be in a position to ask her to extend the date for another hour. Trust me from experience, you'll be glad you did. Just pay up and have fun.

I'm not sure why but I've never been drawn to one particular hair type or colour. I really love the diversity of different styles. I've been more an eyes and lips person. However, a very short pixie cut on a lady of whatever colour always makes me turn my head not sure why though.

You've got a sexy new tat to show off. Update your album.

If you paid the photographer of your original photos with paper $100 bills. Update your album.

When your album has pics of you when you were 21 looking all taut and pouty but now you're much older and young men have started calling you "Ma'am" out in public. Update your album! I love ladies who embrace their maturity :)

Definitely not, and I'm sure you must have made that post just to see if you could get a rise out of people. Good one though :) I would challenge you to pick any of your so called "high end" ladies and attempt to see if she's got any wiggle room built in. They charge that "high end" rate simply because they know that they can get it from a gentleman like me who enjoys (not just any company) their specific company and can afford their rate. I travel all across the country so experience most of the different major markets so I feel I can speak to this point. Truthfully, I'm not sure where you are looking but I consider $500per hour and up the highend in Canada. Anything below that is pretty much standard rate. Plus rates vary across the country. In St. John's you'll be hard pressed to ever find anyone with rates below $300 with most well above that. Thanks for the smile though. :)

@lipualipua..... LOL, Don't go losing faith in humanity yet. :) You chose to stick your neck out and promote a perspective that's extremely unpopular on a very emotionally charged topic. You were bound to get beat up on. You get points for using the word "pontificate" though. Additional Comments: Now my thoughts on the issue of "excessive" rates. There is no such thing as an excessive rate for a luxury like we are discussing. A ladies rates are just simply her rates. Because one can't afford her rates does not make them excessive, it just simply means that one can't afford them. What she chooses to charge for her time is determined only by that specific lady and what business model she happens to decide works for her life situation. Perhaps she prefers just one or two clients per week at a high rate as opposed to 10 at a lower rate. I would not dispute either model as it's only for her to determine. Could the higher priced lady potentially make more money by dropping her rates and seeing more clients? Yes, perhaps but as cyclo referred to she may have a life situation that dictates that she doesn't have the time or even the emotional ability to be a higher volume provider. Just a thought from Chuck.

RG, as usual you are a man of class and a great example of how clients should view their experiences with the wonderful ladies of CERB. Thanks for taking the lead in expressing the sentiments of a whole group of clients who try to hold themselves to a higher standard for the betterment of everyone in this industry. Ladies, I whole heartedly express my thanks as well. There might be those out there that might roll their eyes and mouth the words "ass kisser", however as I've been fortunate enough in my short time on CERB to lay my lips on some very fine bottoms of you ladies I'll be the first to admit, "I love kissing ass". Stay strong, beautiful, unique and awesome ladies. Kisses from Chuck

First, I always check and view every ad related to my specific region of the country to see what ladies are offering their companionship whenever I log in to CERB. So really I can't say that any one ad stands out from another in that respect. (Perhaps due to my location the volume might be smaller meaning that I don't need to decide which to look at, I just look at them all) I do travel frequently so I do have interest in looking at ad's outside my area as well. Speaking strictly to ad's that I might see posted on the main CERB dashboard one of two things happens. Based on what's visually available to me on the main screen I have just a title/tag line/heading to see and the posters name. So it will have to be one of those two things that grabs me and makes me want to click the link. I'm naturally very cerebral and tend to gravitate to ad's that show that a lady is intelligent and confident. In that respect I like an ad that is well put together and conveys a smart, witty, sexy vibe. I don't necessarily need a lot of info regarding acts or prices, just a link to the ladies website where I can find it will do. That ad only needs to reflect a sense of personality and a unique charm. I've learned through discussion postings that certain Cerb ladies convey that intelligence and confidence and usually also create ad's that speak to that part of me. In that case I need only see the ladies name as the poster to know that I want to click to see what she has to say. In the other situation it will have to be the title/tag line/heading that catches my attention and makes me want to click. Usually in that case very witty or funny shocking will do the trick. Once I click the link though, the ad better deliver in the smart witty, sexy, vibe category. So gratuitous and excessive use of vulgar wording and descriptions beyond the initial title can just serve as a bit of a turn off for me. Just a little of that can go a long way. Once a lady here had a three word title to her ad and only five words in the ad itself and I thought it was perfect and conveyed a great sense of wit and personality. Ad's only need to catch attention not necessarily provide mountains of information. I'll seek a lady out if she's managed to pique my interest. If I personally find that a ladies ad really appeals to me for whatever reason I usually message her and let her know that I thought it was great and why it appealed to me so she can use that info for future ad planning.

RG, everything you say is absolutely true about a haggler trying to make what really amounts to a trivial monetary gain for himself from a lady at perhaps a vulnerable moment in time. Thankfully there are many gentleman out there who realise this and have enough class, and respect for the wonderful women we have the privilege of knowing try to defend the cause. I realise that men like you and I hold all of the ladies we know with a great deal of importance for the pleasure of the companionship (even friendship) they bring to our lives. So I understand why you choose to fight so hard against apparent disrespect for our friends and their livelihoods. Sadly, there are those "boys" among us that consider the SP's they visit as nothing more than the next cum shot. I have chosen to stay away from this thread beyond my first post because like you I have very strong feelings on this matter that would in all likelihood get me booted off CERB for expressing my real feelings on this matter. I have to agree with Miss Laurence I think you're wasting your valuable time trying to convert those wayward boys to see the ladies many of whom we consider our friends as something more than an object for their use. At this point you're only helping the one trick pony Craigyboy build up his post count. Let it go RG and send some of your friends a thank you for putting up with the bad ones out there so that we can continue to experience the joy they bring to our lives. Cheers from a surprisingly calm Chuck. As an after thought I decided to add this because there does seem to be a lack of understanding by some of the proponents for Negotiating/Haggling as to why many gentleman and ladies here seem to so vehemently defend our CERB ladies and friends on this issue. You see as a "rule", our Cerb community is one based deeply on respect and a mutual admiration that has built over time. There are many reasons why this has happened however this "Happy Hobbiest" post by Old Dog is a reflection of many of the relationships that have been built here over time. Some relationships going well beyond the physical interaction of clients and SP's to a level of friendship of sorts. If you read this thread you'll get a small glimpse of why some seem to attack you so harshly when it might be seen that you as a negotiator/haggler may not be applying what we deem to be sufficient levels of respect to those we may care about. http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=436687&highlight=heart+attack#post436687

Saving up for a month for a special extended encounter today. (Special in the sense that I had a date planned for the lady that was all for her enjoyment and relaxation and not about me as a thank you for being so awesome). Getting an email that she has to cancel. It sucks big time. Sure, it can all be rescheduled for another time but I feel deflated. :(

Personally, I'm an typical introvert and like it that way. By nature introverts can easily come off in social situations as cold, distant or even rude. In the corporate world as you climb the ladder life for an introvert can be difficult. Be exactly who you naturally are and you'll find yourself stifled in your progression to the top. Through my career progression I found that to be successful I had to easily interact with many different people successfully even to the point of schmoozing with them. I'm bright so I learned to adapt and evolve my personality depending on the environment I found myself in. Truthfully it's to the point that now I'm like a chameleon quickly reading my environment and determining what me needs to show up. At first I was acting, it was something that I had to constantly think about however, over time I came to do it subconsciously. Now it just happens without thinking. Am I acting now? No, because "acting" requires deliberate transformation into someone else. I don't try to do it, it just happens however I can be a different person in different situations. In this world I'm likely different with every SP that see's me. I enter the room, read from her what type of client makes her the most comfortable then evolve into that , again with no real thinking involved. I'm not sure if that qualifies as lying or being deceitful but I just thought I'd pass along my perspective.

I do the separate pre-prepared envelope thing as well but I prefer Miss Laurence's surprise idea to the usual passing it to her (which I find awkward at the end of the date.

So glad that you were able to reduce your inner turmoil. Stress is extremely unhealthy. I think that you handled it very well.

Attempting to justify why a guy would think attempting to negotiate is acceptable? Best read my post again! Perhaps you might be on the wrong board. Thinking an argument in favor of negotiation is going to fly on CERB? Be realistic. We're about respect here!

Slipping while building a deck and having a floor joist abruptly meet my groin. Ouch!!!! Having to cancel some playtime plans do to the parts being tender. Double Ouch!!!

Really I started but I couldn't even read the whole thread. This is just too stupid to talk about. I'll just make a couple of points based on the discussion points that I did actually read: First: Any guy that attempts to equate this luxury with any other industry in an attempt to justify a reason for negotiation and is arrogant enough to come on CERB to try to make his case, just comes off looking like a douchebag. (Go on another punk board you might find some like minded sympathizers to pander to you) However, if you do try to negotiate with a lady where the (usually written rule) of no negotiation is EVERYWHERE then you sir don't just look like a douchebag, you are one! My uncle once told me something about luxuries that really stuck with me. I asked him how much he paid for his new Corvette and he replied, "Son, let me tell you something about money. If you truly have to ask the price of something, then you can't afford it." If the fact that a ladies requested donation might be 50 bucks lower after a negotiation and that is actually going to sway your decision to see her then you really shouldn't see her because you can't afford it. Or, quite frankly if you feel negotiation might get you $50 off and then you'll feel good because you bested the lady in some way, you're just an asshole! Second: I have visited with ladies with a rate structure from 200 per hour to 500 per hour and I can unequivocally say that rate is in NO WAY a reflection on quality. It is purely a business decision that the lady has made that works for her and her life situation. Bottom line, if you've got $250 don't go looking for a $300 lady.

Man seated in a chair facing a full length mirror, legs slightly splayed. Lady seated in his lap facing the mirror with her legs hung out over the outside of his (so that she's spread wide open). Usually she's positioned with her body just to the left of my head. Either her right arm around the back of my neck so that I can turn my head and suck at her breasts or her arms rest on the arms of the chair and I can kiss at her neck. I'm positioned so that I enter her at such an angle that I constantly stimulate both her g-spot and perineum with every thrust. my right hand reaches across her thigh to allow my fingers to softly stroke her clit, while my left hand either run through her hair or plays with her breasts. To watch it all unfold in the mirror and see her orgasm is fantastic. Heck if your lucky and she squirts the mirror will get a wash. That's my hands down favorite position.

IMO a significant part of being a "good" client is doing your research on a lady that you want to visit with and that includes viewing all information available on the lady including her policies. Now me, I might be a little different in that I almost never do a last minute apt and prefer to try to have some level of communication/rapport building with the lady before an encounter. As I'm sapiosexual (thanks Miss Laurence) I always look well beyond the pretty face (or insert the body part) to the lady behind it. as this requires so time I book well ahead for a new lady and usually a week ahead for a repeat. I have visited with ladies that have had cancellation policies and as a client booking in "good faith" they have never bothered me. I wanted to visit with the lady and if that was part of her business model then so be it. I have also visited with ladies with no firm cancellation policy however it was never a factor in me making my decision to she her. I have cancelled twice on ladies that I booked weeks in advance and both times I cancelled a few days before. Once I was sick and once my trip was cancelled. Neither of the ladies had a written cancellation policy however on both occasions I asked her what her policy was and offered to pay it if there was one. BTW neither of them took me up on it. Bottom line for me is that I want to be known (by the SP's I've visited with and their friends who I might want to see in the future) as a good, gentlemanly client and would never jeopardize my rep over a few bucks.

Intimacy is different for everyone. My first visit with an SP I was very excited and had done all my research and knew exactly was and wasn't on the table for the encounter. The lady was an absolute sweetheart but when she moved to offer a BJ I got a bit freaked out by the level of intimacy of the session and wouldn't let her do it. Truthfully, I had expected a colder detached business transaction but what I got was a tender intimate experience. Every part of the session felt "too intimate" for me the first time. After the visit I was able to process the encounter and I was left with a completely different idea of the SP client encounter. Just as every client is different so is the encounter from client to client. Hence YMMV. SP's may be "professionals" but they are PEOPLE first and as such this dictates that they connect to each client in a different way. Some on a more personal or intimate way than others that's just the way it is. Bottom line, this business is not like McDonalds where no matter where you go in the country, the product and service is pretty much the same and can be depended on as such. Each experience is as unique as the lady that is providing it. Forget trying to pigeon hole experiences into what's not intimate enough or too intimate or try to determine a standard of what SP's prefer when they interact with the hundreds of clients they see. Just connect with a lady and enjoy the experience for what it is and be glad everyone is not pulled from the same mould.