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Glad it was as good for you as it was for me. You can't run when you are tied to the wooden horse lol :biggrin: (though I will always respect safe words) I have faith that some of you will eventually figure out the difference between having respect for women (which I do), vs pandering to women. I've treated none of you any differently than I would treat a man who is guilty of entitlement. The fact that I haven't given any of you special treatment speaks volumes about my respect for women. I listened to your points of view, and pointed out the flaws in your logic, and some of you have put up as good an argument as any man would, forcing me to reconsider some of my own preconceived notions. So identify where you are going wrong, correct the flaws in your thinking, and give yourself a pat on the back, self analysis isn't a trait that just any woman is capable of ;)

That's why there is child support, and alimony...of which many women abuse to trap men into supporting kids that they never agreed to, so cry your own fucking river ;) Your body, your rules, your body your fucking responsibility.

Here you go, wear it with pride, right up until she signs the divorce papers and takes the armor right off your back: Additional Comments:

If the reality is completely different, than why not offer your time free of charge.... LOL ;)

Nah but in all seriousness, trolling would imply that I am in some way disingenuous, nothing could be further from the truth. All of my statements are my unfiltered, truthful, and unbiased observations of female behavior in a gynocentric society ;)

Not at all white knight, rest assured "men" like you with no interest in self preservation are equally to blame for the privilege that women currently enjoy. Women wouldn't have such privilege if there weren't white knights such as yourself to pander to them and kiss the ground they walk on. I see women as human beings as well. The majority are privileged human beings, who have little to no interest in recognizing that men face inequalities as well, but humans none the less. Additional Comments: Not at all, we don't hate women, we just aren't going to let you shove that blue pill down our throats. Your statement is the same as any other woman who recognizes that she cannot control a man, quite predictable ;) Have a wonderful weekend as well, princess!

Cheer up! Princesses shouldn't be sad ;)

Why do you assume I am not happy with my life? It's a beautiful day, I'm engaged in amusing conversation, might take the kayak out for a trip on the lake. What in the world is there to be unhappy about? Sure it would be nice to be able to have sex without bending over backwards for a woman, but I'm not going to let entitled princesses ruin my day ;) Additional Comments: Of course, we wouldn't want you to just be giving it away, your "time" is inherently more valuable than mine what with the cock and balls dangling between my legs. Let me go tend the fields for a few days so as I can afford an hour of mistress's precious time :biggrin:

I'm not seeing a lot of T&A there, are they buried somewhere beneath the F&B? Additional Comments: Misogyny defined in the Mgtow Dictionary: The act of possessing male genitalia and/or holding rational/logical points of view. You are pathetically whipped my friend, just look at us free men living our sad lives, we don't even have chains :( You still open doors long after women have stopped holding up their end of the bargain that is chivalry. Self sacrifice is very sad.

So you pay taxes, just for the benefits, how exactly is that benefiting anyone aside from yourself? Sounds like you are just running a typically corrupt corporation, colluding with the government to steal wealth from those who line your pockets. Men don't want to pay ridiculously high $ for your "time", many of us don't have a choice. Just because you are getting your rocks off and lining your pockets at the same time doesn't mean it is "mutually beneficial".

Doesn't like guys who don't pay their own way, decides to become a woman who doesn't pay her own way...female logic in a nutshell. You employ people, which means you benefit from their work, what percentage of the wealth do you take for yourself? Is it an equal amount to what you pay each employee, or do you feel "entitled" to more because you are supposedly "smart" enough to run a business? I don't think sex is owed to me, I think it should be a mutually beneficial activity. What the fuck part of that is difficult for you to grasp? Do you think money/resources are just "owed" to you because you happen to have a vagina? Additional Comments: Fair enough, this is starting to become tedious, and I think the point has been made.

Selling the most obvious thing of value you have to the highest bidder is not "smart", it is the exact opposite of making a positive contribution to the world, it's called greed and entitlement. Yes there are female police, fire fighters, etc, these women I have respect for (provided they actually have the physical strength for the job), because they are providing something useful to society in the first place rather than something that women should be sharing with men at no additional cost. The world is falling apart, and it's precisely because women don't know when to stop taking, and men don't know when to stop giving. There was a time when women actually had to provide something other than a wet hole to bring value to a relationship. You are not smart for dodging any and all responsibility and taking advantage of high male sex drive, you are just taking advantage of desperate people and providing little lasting value in return.

Meanwhile men are risking their lives in dangerous jobs actually doing physical work for far lower wages. No the job doesn't justify the really high wages. The reason escorts are so expensive is because men have a very high sex drive and women are naturally inclined to take advantage of it. Men are providers, women are black holes for resources. Additional Comments: There's always another escort. Additional Comments: No, we just need women to start taking equal responsibility for the privileged position they hold in society. Women have a natural advantage due to the male sex drive, whereas women are seemingly just as happy with a vibrator. The fact that you can separate men from their wealth with far less effort than they put into earning it is called "privilege". Women seem to be incredibly adept at either not seeing or not admitting to their own privilege, because then they wouldn't be showered with so much sympathy and free handouts. We've taken the red pill, we are mgtow, we are awake to your games, to your mind tricks. Even now you are all trying to twist my words in the op and play innocent. I called it as it is, you are making a lot of money for significantly less work than many other people in similar trades. A little appreciation of that obvious fact would be appreciated, but instead you want to take my money and tell me that you have it so hard in life. You can have it one way, or the other, if you are going to open your legs to take an easy path in life, don't get all butt hurt when people call it for what it is.

Advice and whining seem to be interchangeable for entitled princesses. In other words, most women are just as entitled here as in any other aspect of their lives. I've rethought my career choice for now, but entitled princesses may be bearable when they are paying me heaps of cash... There it is, really quite shameful. If you aren't making twice a nurses' measly salary then you are either doing something very wrong or you may not be overly attractive. Of course, let's pretend I'm an idiot whom has never priced a hotel, so as we can also pretend that you have any sort of logical point here. I thought every woman wanted to be a princess? Can't go 10 minutes without hearing about the entitlements every princess deserves in a tv/youtube ad. In other words women "deserve" more, because vagina. Business as usual. I don't resent all women, just the ones who don't smile, listen, and empathize when they are paid to do so ;) I hear there are even a rare few who can do all of the above without compensation, I'll have to dig out my unicorn hunting kit :biggrin: Seems the average woman would happily leave a pile of excrement on the ground and consider it to be very valuable information. Value is in the eye of the beholder princess ;)

Of course, anyone who disagrees with entitled princesses is a misogynist. The term misogynist might as well be a synonym for male at this point.

I don't have the patience for this anymore. It's a service job, a very high paying service job. It pays higher than any other service job including many that require specialized training and dealing with a lot more crap than what you deal with. I dare you to walk up to a Nurse and tell them that you work just as hard and face just as much difficulty as them while you make twice their salary. There are plenty of ways to maximize profit while minimizing potential danger and the work you put in. If you want to run your business out of an apartment and do all the cleaning/laundry yourself, then have at it, but you could just as easily pay a cleaner for it, or run things out of a hotel. Most of us don't really care if the place is sparkling clean, as long as it doesn't look like a drug den, we are focused on the attractive woman and little else. Of course I have some resentment for someone who has the gall to compare their high paying service job to other low wage service jobs, or backbreaking trade work. You have opportunities that I do not have, women in general have opportunities that men do not have. We don't ask all that much as men, just a little bit of acknowledgement of the fact that attractive women literally have us by the balls via our sex drive, and can get pretty much whatever they want out of us. Instead we have a thread full of very high earning service workers with entitled princess syndrome, getting all fired up when I state the obvious that your line of work is a better deal than a lot of other opportunities. Any of the escorts I have met with have been reasonable people, but if I had to deal with many of you in this thread then I can understand why there is a lack of respect for people in your trade. The rampant theft doesn't help either, but I'll take the risk with budget women, to avoid the extra entitled "high class" escorts. Men can't just sell themselves to the highest bidder when they are in danger of ending up on the street, that's why the majority of the homeless are men, that's why the lifespan of men is shorter. I'm not going to engage in your entitled delusions, you have it pretty easy in life, accept it and move on, this isn't a who's the biggest victim contest. Most men don't care about much other than whether or not you have a nice body, that's where the big bucks are really coming from, deal with it. Additional Comments: Some people are honesty/truth/logic averse, they'll just have to suck it up. I don't tiptoe around princesses for fear of triggering the waterworks, no safe spaces in this conversation. If she does put more effort in it certainly doesn't show, her incall hotel room is usually a mess, used towels all over the place, the sheets probably aren't that clean, barely any makeup, and yet she very affordable, open minded, and has more positive reviews than any other girl in the area, go figure. It's almost as though guys have one thing on their mind that overrides their giving a crap about minor details. As long as they are friendly, submissive (or really dominant when I'm in that kind of mood), and attractive, I don't really care if we do it in a 5 star hotel or behind the dumpster out back :p

Not doubting any of this, haven't made any unreasonable assumptions either. I've stated that this occupation appears to be very rewarding for the amount of effort expended, and that it is very profitable even for those who don't put in as much effort as many of the ladies posting here. That's all I've said, it's right there in the op, and my response has been the same to everyone else who may have misinterpreted the op. I stand behind what I've said, and no one has yet provided evidence to change my perspective :) It's funny that I've conceded throughout this entire thread that many of you do work very hard for the high payoff, and yet when I explain my background in a 12 hour day hard labor job, many of you are still trying to convince me that escorting is such a tough gig in comparison. One of you even suggested that women don't want male escorts, and that I should try plumbing, carpentry, mechanic, landscaping, all relatively low paying jobs for the work involved. I get it, you work hard (though some escorts certainly don't and still do alright), but can we at least be honest here? 3 hours of cleaning per day and some laundry is not even close to the same experience as 12 non stop hours on a construction site. There are plenty of occupations that are more difficult on average, and as a male escort, I'd have it easier than many women, because I'm better able to defend myself physically in dangerous situations, and there are somewhat fewer expectations on me for grooming/appearance. Unfortunately the demand just doesn't seem to be there. So I'll say it once more and for the last time, go ahead, convince me that escorting is a hard life if you really feel the need. One of the members here has provided a lot of useful info on escorting, opening my eyes to some potential difficulties involved in the job, but they are also honest enough to concede that it is a highly rewarding gig for the amount of effort expended. Hammering me with the same repeated "you don't understand how hard life is for us" line isn't going to change my mind, if you don't agree with the points I am making and my perception of life as an escort, then provide some info to change my mind. There is something to be said for the ability to appreciate what you have in life rather than trying to convince others that life sucks more for you. Sure construction is a tough gig, but it pays the bills, I live a better life than many other people, and I'm grateful for the opportunity and physical strength to do the job. Why not take a moment to just be ecstatic that so many men are willing to pay so much for your time, rather than focusing on the negative side of it?

Thanks, oh well, it was a fun discussion in any case :)

Yeah, I didn't say it was easy. There is a difference between "easier" and "less work relative to the payoff". Alright so you mention laundry and house keeping, let's separate those out for the sake of this discussion. Do you know of any house keepers or laundry workers that make more than $20 an hour? If men in general are more critical of women's appearance, then surely there are plenty of women who can't just get it for free? I think you've hit the nail on the head regarding male sex drive. Many high class escorts go through a lot of effort to present themselves in the best way possible. A high class location, well designed website, impeccable/tedious grooming, interaction with potential clients online. For a lot of average guys though, much of this doesn't really make a huge impact on the quality of the service. When I'm in the mood for playtime, all that's really going through my mind most of the time is "do I find her attractive", "can I arrange things quickly/painlessly, or does she have a lengthy/tedious screening process requiring advanced booking" "does she have any reviews", "do her photos check out as legit" and "is she offering a good value for her services". The finer details like how fancy her webpage is, or how fancy her location is, how intelligent/sophisticated she is, or even how much time went into to her grooming beyond the minimal effort, doesn't often cross my mind, because it doesn't really add much to the experience for me personally. So yes I have no doubt that many of you put in a lot of effort (though I'd still take it over hard physical labor or min wage service jobs any day), but there are also plenty of women on backpage who put in the minimal possible effort, and are making more money per hour than I could ever hope to make without very specialized education. So I stand behind my words, this occupation can be extremely rewarding for the level of effort expended, and not everyone has to go great lengths to be successful at it. I know of a provider who is incredibly popular/successful in my area even though the effort she puts into it, pales in comparison to some of the "high class" providers. I don't think there is any getting around the fact that the big bucks are paid because men have an incredibly high desire/drive for your...ahem..."time" :p A few additional bucks might be paid by those men who have an appreciation for the finer minute details.

First post indeed, I think we know what's going on here ;)

Not at all, I think that is an interesting topic in and of itself. Why do you think it is that women don't seem to be nearly as inclined toward paying escorts? Men in general seem to be a lot more critical of women's appearance, so I would think that would leave a number of women who can't just easily get it for free if they want, and would be inclined to seek out an escort? Do you think women just have a lower drive for sex, or maybe there is something else going on there? Additional Comments: All 18 pages? I appreciate any insight, but I'm a little short on time for a short novel :D Anything in particular in there that you could draw my attention to?

Lol, sorry ladies, didn't mean to offend. I tried to be very specific with the wording, less work relative to the payoff, not less work in general. My last job was working 12 hours a day on a construction site slinging concrete and lumber by hand :p Before that I did 8 hours a day of min wage drudgery in retail. Perhaps it isn't less work for everyone, but it seems to be a lot more rewarding. Enlighten me, paint me a picture, dispel my ignorance? I guess the way I am looking at it, is the time typically invested in and the enjoyment of it vs other occupations. A mechanic, carpenter, landscaper, they work hard all day long in a physical sense, some escorts probably do as well, but they don't necessarily need to. Someone working a trade is going to be bringing in significantly less money than an escort, so they need to work more hours to earn a living wage. Low volume escorts with a semi permanent location or outcall only, can make a living wage a lot quicker. Of course there is a risk vs reward tradeoff though. Someone doing outcalls is putting themselves in more danger than an incall in a secure building, but I was also putting myself in more danger on the construction site than I was in retail. For me personally it would be less real work for a greater reward, but I'm sure that's not true for everyone.

Just a quick update, I think I've found a healthier outlet/source for more extreme fantasies in the form of literature/literotica. Not only are there plenty of kinky stories in every imaginable category, but I can also craft my own from my personal fantasies and contribute to the community. Seems to be a good way to avoid visual porn that is just to "extreme" for me to avoid irrational obsessions over the performers wellbeing.