TorontoMelanieJolliet

Maybe that part of it is 'none yo business'. 🤭 😉 No need to worry about their employees. Just worry about ourselves. 😄 (none of this is meant disrespect, just trying make a point, for everyone, not just you hun)

sorry. Just another way of saying you know what's up. You are not fooled. You are aware. You (could be) right.

😉 you know what time it is! 😊

@Kitten idk for sure. But when I think about it, it would seem that not any old person will do. It has to be someone who is known for what they are. If they are not known, then I'm sure they won't count either. That was what I understood when I was told. When I thought about it, that was the conclusion I came to. It's the same as being validated in these forums. Newbs are suspect. And established profiles are legit. Make sense? 🤞🤭

You have to be verified as an SW by somebody else. Just requesting it is not enough. So you need someone else to verify what you are. Then you can be a part of it. So if someone writes a review or another girl (maybe duo partner?) who has seen you doing your job...

More...

Is this what I think it is? I will try to find ground zero ... but will I have to look farther than this ...

seems something may be happening with leolist. so i'm bumping this. I still haven't done cryptocurrency. sigh

Yes that's a thing. That's not the problem. Apparently not needing a full room cleaning and total linen change everyday causes them worry, even tho they post notices inside hotel rooms about Saving the Earth, and laundry demands (more detergents in water, more water usage etc)

I worry about a male being associated with me, he can be seen as a 'trafficker'. Dressed down means nothing now as the 'signs' have been outlined for staff. Nails, very little luggage, not much a need for housekeeping. The checking comes from housekeeping not front desk staff. Any woman is suspect. Even extending a stay is supposed to be a 'sign'. It's funny too cause the hotel I told the story about had many 'workers', so obvious, and 'managers' hanging around for the pick-up...I guess they just wanted to know who they were dealing with, especially with me, since it can go either way. Sometimes I suspect that there are 'deals' ... agreements. Since I'm not part of them (i'm independent) is it the hotel that keeps outliers away so they can continue with their arrangements? Or they don't want anyone noticing what seems to be going on..so if they can't know me then they are scared of discovery...

ah nevermind. I can't get a real conversation with some brainstorming from a variety of people with different experiences. Just delete please.

Not flagged. Or I'd be flagged all over. When I show up with my platinum member card I get treated differently. When I book with hotels or trivago...high deposit and suspicion. Even tho they know im good, im gold member etc SOME hotels (lets say when a new thing is introduced ppl are hyper-sensitive/over zealous in carrying out their duties) And if you read my OP you'd see I wasn't asking about me. I was asking if anybody else noticed. And since you are a male who is an escort, you obviously don't get the same reaction, cuz you are not a female traveling alone. And male escorts are more rare anyways. They are suspecting all female travelers who are alone. So you're in the clear. So you don't know anything about my situation. I wasn't asking for that anyways.

So they asked you to log in? Did they provide a link?

No it doesn't. They disguise it as spotting trafficking while casting a wide net. Right here... low profile. Me...low profile. So no, that's not it. And that is why I'm asking. Low profile means nothing, clean room means nothing, being quiet means nothing. That's why I'm asking.

Hotels, lead by a big name, have decided to train employees to spot escorts. They say it's to help end trafficking but they didn't say what they would do when they 'spot' an escort who is NOT trafficked. It seems like they are not making a distinction. Does the distinction even matter to them? Should it? I have noticed strange and invasive behaviour on the part of housekeeping staff. I have rec'd a call from front desk saying they had to do 'something' in my room (that's what they said, something) then offered up that the mattress cover change was the 'something'. They sent 3 staff to change the mattress cover (more eyes I guess). They have been trained to stand outside doors and listen (so given permission), permission to take photos of room contents if they suspect something and, I guess, bust in for an emergency mattress cover change. 3 housekeepers, 2 female one male, to change the bed. Okay, so they are on guard...but what do they do when they find trafficking? And do they only hassle independents because it's easier (face it, trafficked girls are not going to hang around if discovery will be trouble, and they won't be alone all the time, a male who shows up would not be a sign for housekeeping staff to stand up to him and demand to change a mattress cover, or look for charger that another guest left, yes that was quite awhile ago) So who are they kidding? What is their true intention? Will they just find a way to deny every female a place to stay? Also, what if staying at a hotel is not only for the sole purpose of 'working'? Is that ok? Article: Training Tips

Hi Melanie. I would like to book an appt for today. Preferably at 2pm but I am open to between 1 and 3pm. I would like an hour. I looked at your website but I just want to make sure we are on the same page (about fill in blank). If this time is ok with you, please let me know so I can shower and find my way there. If it's not suitable for you today, can I ask that you let me know that please? Just a quick 'not available' will do and I will be happy to try again another time. ☺️ Hi Melanie. I have read your ad and I see you are in my area. Do you take bookings for appts or do you prefer to do things on the fly lol 😉. I would like to make a plan for an appt and was hoping I could see you at 2pm for one hour. Is this possible? 🤞 If including an 'expiry' date: Just simple putting the time of your preferred appt should be sufficient. Or say you would need to know before a certain time to make sure you can keep the appt. No guarantees but suggestions.

I posted this because it DID sound like they were making the advertising sites seem like they were responsible. Most ppl use it with all the laws in mind and with consent given and understood. I was afraid they were going to mention going after the current website to save girls Also note that these cases are still in the 'alleged' phase. Not proven yet. As for sensible screening of a client, a legit provider can still be legit even when she/he doesn't ask for name, rank and serial number. I have been offered info from clients to do a screening but it always crickets when I say ok to it. It's a system that not everyone can take part in. Like I used to think it was for providers who knew each, within a circle. Any outliers had to get into that circle to learn how to and take part in screening. Or it was for higher up providers who had the money to pay for a screening service. Also to call the law on someone when you are making assumptions based on things you could still be wrong about ... even with someone on Ottawa Police Service ... how would a provider who was coerced know where or how to go about contacting them? I once saw a poster in an OnRoute ... it was meant to reach out to offer a place to call. I saw it in one OnRoute, once and never saw it again. I guess they weren't all that interested to carry out the 'campaign' or it wasn't worth to pay for the space to rent for the poster? Or it simple wasn't worth it...cuz no one will call them and they can find these girls on their own without a campaign to offer help? I'm jaded, sorry. I find organizations that offer help are not usually helpful.

Toronto human trafficking arrests shine spotlight on popular classifieds site. Sex worker advocates fear another crackdown By PETER EDWARDSStaff Reporter Wed., Feb. 6, 2019 Story here (L**L**t.com mentions) After a series of human trafficking arrests involving the same online classifieds site, a Toronto sex worker says she worries a crackdown on internet sex ads could make her more vulnerable. Toronto police have charged eight GTA residents with dozens of charges in four separate cases this year involving the website L**L**t.com. In one, police say a 17-year-old schoolgirl was taken to a series of GTA motels by a man with a gun and forced to sell her body to strangers. The latest bust was announced last week, after police say a man physically assaulted a 28-year-old woman several times, including one attack that left her with broken ribs. In all four cases, alleged pimps forced women to place sex ads on L**L**t.com and took all of their earnings. In one, an alleged pimp even threatened a sex worker’s pet, police said. None of that violence surprises Dave Perry, a Toronto private investigator who was the detective in charge of the Toronto police’s old Juvenile Task Force for eight years in the 1980s and 1990s “I can tell you stories that will fill your head,” Perry said. But the Toronto sex worker, whom the Star is not naming because she fears for her safety, said she worries a sweeping crackdown against human trafficking on the internet could push independent adult sex workers underground. The 30-year-old sex worker, whose real name is known by the Star, is a member of B*****f*y, an Asian and migrant sex workers support network. She said she has been a sex worker in Toronto for two years. She said sex workers use the internet to vet their potential clients and even ask for references. “They can screen,” she said. “They can increase their safety.” Toronto police declined to comment on L**L**t.com. The Star attempted to contact the website by email and at a toll-free phone number listed on the site’s contacts page, but received no response. L**L**t.com’s terms of use ask users to immediately report suspected human trafficking to police and say the site will cooperate with law enforcement “to the fullest extent possible.” There’s a major difference between sex trafficking, in which girls and women are coerced into prostitution, and the sex trade where adult women make independent decisions, said Karen Campbell of the Toronto-based Canadian Women’s Foundation. The 2018 shutdown of the site B**kp**e.com, once a popular host for sex workers’ ads, was distressing for many, Campbell said in an interview. “It pushed a lot of people back onto the streets,” she said. Cracking down on online sex ads also won’t help undocumented women who are reluctant to go to police, she said. “If they were to go to police, they would end up detained and deported,” she said Perry said the average Toronto sex worker when he was on the job entered the sex trade at age 14. There seemed no end to men wanting to prey upon them, Perry said. “We had a mandate to rescue these kids, get them help and go after the pimps,” Perry said. “Every time we arrested a pimp, there were two or three to take his place.” Perry said fewer sex workers could be seen on the streets after pagers became popular a few decades ago, a change he said made it tough for police to monitor their safety. “A lot of the girls that used to work the streets were suddenly carrying pagers,” Perry said. “At least when they were on the street we knew them.” When sex work was more visible on downtown streets, it was easier for social workers to try to help women and for police to keep an eye on their customers, Perry said. “They may be in a more vulnerable position now because they have no interaction with police,” Perry said. “Prostitutes don’t generally walk into a police station and report intimidation.” Some Toronto sex workers were local residents while others came from abroad, smuggled into the city on the hopes of getting a job, Perry said. There was some organized crime involvement, often connected with bikers and strip clubs, he said. Perry said he fears pimps now use websites to fly under the police radar and exploit women. Some websites are out of the country, presenting jurisdictional challenges for police. “We’re almost giving a license for pimps to be anonymous and control women,” Perry said. L**L**t.com, which bills itself as “Canada’s classified site,” automatically redirects to the address l**l**t.cc — using the internet country code of the Cocos Islands, a tiny Australian territory. The contact page refers to Unicorn House Ltd., a company based in Budapest, Hungary. To post an ad, users are charged a cost ranging from free to more than €2.50 ($3.75 Canadian) — the site bills in euros — depending on region and category. As of Wednesday, a personals ad for a female escort in the GTA costs the poster €2.65. That same ad in Hamilton costs €1.79; an ad for a male escort in Ottawa is free. The personals section contains dozens of recently posted ads for male and female escorts across the GTA. Many of the site’s other classifieds categories — including for vehicles, housing and jobs — appear little used. The site’s landing page boasts it has more than 150,000 registered users and millions of total ads. L**L**t.com appears to have become more popular since B**kp**e.com was shut down by the FBI last year; before B**kp**e.com, classifieds site C***gsl**t was one of the most popular sites for advertising sexual services. A study of sex ads on C***gsl**t released this year by researchers at Baylor University in Waco, Texas, supports the Toronto sex worker’s comments that the internet can make the sex trade safer. The study suggests that the old C***gsl**t “erotic services” ads made sex work safer by helping sex workers screen out the most dangerous clients. The internet allowed women to do background checks of clients, even seeking references, the Baylor team found. It also “may have caused outdoor street-based prostitution to transition to the safer, indoor channel,” researchers found. Scott Cunningham, one of the study’s authors, said in an interview he suspects L**L**t.com is absorbing a market once filled by B**kp**e.com. “The market is probably adjusting in Canada,” he said. Cunningham said he wasn’t surprised the Toronto woman said internet ads make her feel safer and freer of pimps. “Sex workers have been saying this for years,” he said.

Roses are Red Violets are blue It doesn't go to my head But I got good reviews 😉 You will find that your time with me is un-rushed and relaxed. I provide a good atmosphere that is welcoming and comfortable. A dance, I find, is always a welcome ice-breaker, so I offer that if you are so inclined. It is important to me to make sure you are having fun and you enjoy our time together. I am accepting pre-booked appts now for the duration of my stay. Same Day appts also available. As well as Short Notice appts (with minimum 1 hours advance notice).

I've done things like that before. I email, explain the 'hardship' that is caused by the ad remaining up (old number, old info, old pics etc) I have never gotten an actual response but later I can check and it has been removed! I don't think they intend to mess with a real girl, but the fakes/unaware girls seem to serve a purpose for their website, unknown what that is, but it must cuz why do they have it in the first place? 😉

"The vast majority of the men that were seeking sex industry workers were looking for adult females, so the vast majority would turn down the offer." ...and they seem to be off the radar of law enforcement. But not Larissa Maxwell, director of anti-human trafficking programs at the Salvation Army. Just can't resist an opportunity. The focus should have remained on the possibility of the exploitation of underage. Or she should take up a cause that works on a solution to prevent exploitation of adult individuals in the first place. Why are they exploited? Why can't they earn a decent living in the first place and they are able to be exploited? To be the director of anti-human trafficking programs seems to be there only for the 'after' instead of prevention. Raising the minimum wage was a start. But more needs to be done. Also...you can't save everybody. So even in that case, the 'after' is an up-hill battle. People need to be accepted to be helped BEFORE that becomes a option in the first place. And teenagers? They are trying to find their way in this world, open to the promise of things they perceive, will never happen for them. Open to being exploited. How do we stop that? In that case a higher minimum wage means nothing. Where do they even get the idea in the first place? High school/College culture? Social Media? Where everybody comments on their risque pics and through admiration and reinforcement/feedback that encourages more of the same? Who are THOSE people? So glad I don't have a daughter!!!!! "What's disconcerting is the small group of men … who discovered the person they were communicating with was underage and were excited about that." ...uh huh.

Pls don't try and bait me. I'm not a guy and competition is not in my genes. Also I don't care what ppl think about me if I argue it or not. I'm not here to win anything. I posted it cuz I think it's a step over boundaries. Full grown adults, full grown adult images, all fine. But images of kids... I thought because of what kind of lines are toed here on this forum and others like it, that knowledge of what goes on out of our view should be known...so it doesn't confuse someone to think that it is acceptable. Grown ass men trying to discuss as though they were scholars, about the right of and perhaps the benefit of (questionable) the image of children to be used to do adult things...It's like some kind of twilight zone... You have no influence on this issue. You cannot collect stats and do research on an informal forum that discusses CONSENTING sex between CONSENTING adults. There are places where pedos congregate. Maybe you should set up your wing-back leather chair in amongst them and try to discuss this while trying to have and open mind and a want to work towards a solution. Here, its just bs. Sorry..not sorry

Nah. It can be viewed as 'gateway'. And after reading the article I believe that these would not be the end of the line for those types of .... Part of the attraction is the grooming, its not just that (this is so ewww) You know what? To talk sensibly about pedos is a ridiculous thing to try to do. It's a sickness and at no time should it be acceptable. Just ask the many ppl who have personally been affected by it. Many years ago childhood was created. Before that there wasn't much distinction between children and adults. So lines (well, lack of lines) were non existent. Once society smartened up and made the distinction based on many, many things...well it's not acceptable in any form. The ppl who do it obviously have trouble relating to adults. Look at all the female teachers who 'relate' to male students in ways that make one wonder where their damn head is at. It ruins lives. It forces children to grow up to soon, and takes away their opportunity to experience their sexual awakening in a natural way. To let 'them' have their little dolls doesn't mean that is enough. They want someone to love them, emotionally and physically. Their arrested development means they will have to ruin lives to get that, but they really don't care. Do you?

The dilemma of life-like sex dolls Excerpt from story: Canadian border officers have seized dozens of sex dolls with child-like dimensions and features — an emerging trend child welfare advocates fear could fuel exploitation of real children. Records obtained by CBC News under access to information law show the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) intercepted at least 42 child-like dolls designed explicitly for sex between January 2016 and August 2018, seizing them as illegal child pornography. Border officers in Vancouver, Edmonton, Calgary, Toronto, Hamilton and Quebec have come across dozens of these child dolls and reproductions of child-like body parts, such as chests and pelvic areas. Of those documented seizures, 30 took place in Quebec. Officials estimate the dolls they seized can range in value from $50 each to nearly $8,000.

Of course being majorly deceived is not good. The story you tell is example of a very obvious case of deception. But there are the subtle things, that face it, in order to get thru this life without a drama around every corner, you have to either forgive, or except. In EVERY service/product business their is at the very least, a hint of deception. The truth is not always all out in the open. The fact that so much truth and openness is expected in this industry when it only reflects business models of the most successful companies... just on a smaller scale... and you want to take it down for every infraction. One little lonely person, but leave the big, money backed company alone to deceive, maybe even excuse it... 🧙‍♂️👨‍✈️🤦‍♀️