Mileage

[Mister T 45020]

Even if you could get full service' date=' I don't know why anyone would take the risk. You're going to pay about 3x as much as you would an SP, and have the stress of getting caught, and then risk arrest. Why?? I guess for some people, that is the thrill.[/quote']

 

Just goes to show, on Mileage, where things can go wrong, or at least too far .... It's not in the area, I know, but still. The Hilltop near Montreal lost it's licence for 25 days for, among other things, letting FS happen on premises. True, the bar and a reputation for it, and was discussed on a local board.

 

I've posted an article here (sorry, it's in french only) : http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=167062#post167062

 

Let me know if you need quick translation.

[Cato 160314]

The article mistert tells us about also reminds us of the need for discretion in posting.

[Guest Ni**t*****t]

Thanks for the link Mistert. I understand French and this article from La Presse is an eye opener.

 

There are limits to mileage in a public place, a bar for example, where there is a line you should not cross. I have been to SCs quite a bit and to me, high mileage does not mean FS or BJ but I was curious as to what it meant to everyone else. I heard about some places where there are very ltille restrictions but have never been to one of them.

 

I also agree that we must have discernment in posting as, for those who read the article suggested by Mistert, personal safety should always be considered, either your own or the girl that you spend time with. As a community, we should all look after each other.

[Mister T 45020]

Thank you Cato and Nightflight for your comments concerning the article i posted. I thought it would be of interest to the community, and it was of particular interest to the thread, especially where FS is concerned.

 

High or low mileage is relative and a matter of personal opinion, chemistry, and dancer, which i agree will differ from person to person in this community (which is why you asked after all...). I've experienced what I consider High and Low mileage in different clubs in the area and even within the same club. To cite Joeblow earlier in this thread "I have been with dancers that were considered by most as low-mileage, but they were willing to strech their boundaries with me because of good chemistry" and Megan : ""High mileage" is more of a dancer-specific thing than a club-specific thing, from my experience. Ie. I didn't become a high-mileage girl when I went to Bare Fax, nor did I tone down the mileage when I went back to Nu Den. Girls change clubs all the time and their dances seem to stay the same."

 

As with anywhere, YMMV and all we can do is recommend, which does not mean everything will be the same for everyone.

[Guest S****an]

I have to admit the mileage discussion always leaves me with mixed feelings. I understand, of course, the desire (and I won't claim any purity on the matter). But the difficulty is, human nature being what it is, that eventually things will tend to escalate and get to the point where it provokes a crackdown. Not only can the dancers lose their job if caught, but more generally it would be unwise to assume that SCs enjoy a lot of support in the community. There are all kinds of busybodies who would like to see them shut down permanently, or moved out of the downtown core. As the saying goes, maybe I'm paranoid, but that doesn't mean they're not out to get you :)

 

As the law about escorting evolves, it will be interesting to see if and how it affects SCs, but I would think it would be better to have boundaries between dancing and escorting (btw that is not a moral judgement, both professions are wonderful and very positive for society in my view). It's just that SCs are more public places. Keep SCs about the tease, and for fantasies made real that's the realm of escorts/MAs. That way we get to have the best of all worlds.

[Guest ****ims**]

I've worked in a low-mileage club and you'd get kicked out if put your hand on the dancer's hip. Seriously.

 

that sounds like the one in kingston where you literally have to sit on your hands.

 

my 2 cents, dan :)

[Mister T 45020]

 

I have to admit the mileage discussion always leaves me with mixed feelings. I understand, of course, the desire (and I won't claim any purity on the matter). But the difficulty is, human nature being what it is, that eventually things will tend to escalate and get to the point where it provokes a crackdown. Not only can the dancers lose their job if caught, but more generally it would be unwise to assume that SCs enjoy a lot of support in the community. There are all kinds of busybodies who would like to see them shut down permanently, or moved out of the downtown core. As the saying goes, maybe I'm paranoid, but that doesn't mean they're not out to get you

 

As the law about escorting evolves, it will be interesting to see if and how it affects SCs, but I would think it would be better to have boundaries between dancing and escorting (btw that is not a moral judgement, both professions are wonderful and very positive for society in my view). It's just that SCs are more public places. Keep SCs about the tease, and for fantasies made real that's the realm of escorts/MAs. That way we get to have the best of all worlds.

 

Agreed. I don't think your paranoid, and boundaries gets pushed or restricted all the time, and yes, it can be more than tempting to push them in the heat of the moment.... It's a complicated issue hat moves through time. The recent Ontario decision still needs to go in front of the Supreme Court as i understand that the Crown is currently preparing submissions for an appeal in front of the Supreme Court.

 

In any case, even if the decision stays, that does not guarantee that club owners will want to change their business model (i.e. they may want to keep operating a strip club only), or even how it would be regulated locally (i.e. like any other business, having a business permit).

 

I just found a recent article (published in september 2010) relating to this topic. The distinction mentioned in the following article makes the distinction between "entertainment" and "prostitution". Such as it is, SCs are there for entertainment, and i do go there to be entertained. This article is in french as it applies to Quebec.

 

http://soquij.qc.ca/fr/ressources-pour-tous/articles/les-danses-contacts-divertissement-ou-acte-de-prostitution

 

This one (in english) provides a bit of history on the topic (10nth paragraph of part A is interesting):

 

http://dsp-psd.pwgsc.gc.ca/Collection-R/LoPBdP/CIR/822-e.htm#issuetxt

 

Ultimately, what happens in a club is subject to what is judged to be "decent or indecent" by the community, and will another series of legal decisions come into play (see this article in french http://soquij.qc.ca/fr/ressources-pour-tous/articles/echangisme-et-indecence-la-cour-supreme-s-eloigne-de-la-norme-de-tolerance). It will be interesting to see...

[rickoshadows 937]

Ultimately, what happens in a club is subject to what is judged to be "decent or indecent" by the community, and will another series of legal decisions come into play

 

The community standard as to what is decent or not has already come under fire in a decision concerning private sex clubs. The judge said the the "community" in Canada is so diverse that no resonable standard can be established therefore the it should default to whether or not it can be established that any activity causes harm.

[Guest Ni**t*****t]

Obviously there is a line than you should not cross, at least legally.

 

I may not be an expert on all the SCs in this area but my most recent encounters in the SC focused on a girl talking dirty. This, as far as I am concerned, constitutes high mileage also. There are a few girls that I have done this with and really, it sollicits your imagination and you end up having a very steamy session with her. Add a girls that moves very sensually and... well...

 

Cheers

[Max101 154]

I've been basically a lurker since coming to Ottawa on business pretty regularly since last Fall. I very much enjoy the openness of the escort scene up here and I have had some very good experiences with Ottawa's ladies. CERB is a great board, BTW!

 

Now, back on topic....

 

I've done FS in a couple of strip clubs in the U.S. -- Will keep them anonymous for now, but will entertain PMs. The clubs are well-known on U.S.-centric boards if one knows where to look. They are set up for this purpose with "VIP Areas" where there is enough privacy to get the job done. The roll or paper towels in each booth is also another indicator!

 

I basically did it for the experience. Generally, you've been watching her dance and perhaps sitting with her for a while. She will usually suggest going to the VIP area. Or, you simply whisper to her, "Are you a VIP kinda' girl??" Given the nature of these clubs, she knows exactly what you mean. It also gives her the option to say "no," which is good, because not every girl in these clubs provides such services.

 

If she says, "yes," it's off to the booths. They are generally in a curtained-off area and each booth itself is floor-to-ceiling and closed off by its own curtain. She usually checks in with the Moat Dragon who logs her in. I suspect he comes running if girl and date don't reappear within a given time period. There are usually some hand-signal negotiations that go on. She will wait for the start of a song and off you go for anywhere from 3-5 songs (usually *10-15 minutes). It's about as close as "wham-bam-thank-you, ma'am" as one can get. With the music and stobes going on, the energy is intense and high. In short, it can be an absolutely surreal experience.

 

Is it GFE? Hardly, but, that's not the intent. She's a little sweaty from dancing and you're not fresh right out of the shower. Does it cost more that a GFE escort? Yes, or it costs about the same. But, that's not why you're doing it -- at least not me. It's definitely not legal, but, in these clubs, it's tolerated by both management and the local cops. There is some risk involved, but, if you watch things closely on the boards, you can tell when to stay away for some reason.

 

It's just like one of those fantasies where you hit it off with a really sexy girls, take her back to your place, and are just animals for the rest of the night.

 

I hope this puts the whole idea into some sort of context from someone who has done it -- not very often, but enough to have satisfied my curiosity.

[slurp 7020]

Nice insight Max. Do you realize there are a few SC like that in QC? Unfortunately the closest to Ottawa is almost 90 min but that's not terrible. That is a smaller club. A better one with more choice would be 2 hours away. since technically these are illegal I will not post names here, you can PM if you need info.

 

There is value IMO to going into one of these places and looking over the selection, watching them dance and when you see the right one you don't need to wonder how far you can get. The girl of your dreams (or immediate lust) can be yours for the asking. I pay the premium now and then for that reason. Another choice for hobbyists and that can't be bad.

 

If you wouldn't mind shooting me a PM about the boards in the US you refer to, I would love to see where you are getting info. I go to the US often and frequent AMPs so use a few sites I will share if they are not the same as yours.

 

I have not been to a lot of SC in the US but will say the mileage here is consistently higher compared to the ones I went to in US. I'm excluding FS places in that statement in case anyone wonders.

[mikeylikesthat 1767]

I have been to one FS club in San Francisco (it is famous and yes it is the one with women) and it has all sorts of options ranging from lap dances in a large theatre while some dances on the stage, to peep shows, and FS in small rooms. The FS was quite expensive but some of the women are centerfold material so it was one of those opportunities that I could not turn down. Agree that it is rushed but very exciting and intense. Would also like to hear about the other FS clubs in the US as I travel there quite often. I have not been to the Hilltop in a couple of years. Use to stop in there on my way back from Montreal all the time years ago and met a few very hot women there. Also had some interesting chats with biker guys there.

[Max101 154]

Sorry -- I hadn't read your post before PMing you.

 

Sounds as if you have been to MB. It's something every guy should do once, but, man, it's way overpriced! When I went once or twice, the place was full of Asian businessmen. Back in the early days, they used to have live M-F sex shows in the rotating theater with the individual small booths which is behind the rest rooms. There used to be plexiglass on all of the booth openings. These days, they are wide open and the ladies will climb right in with you -- for a steep price.

[survived70s 582]

To start with, did you ever hear of the Michel brothers ? They were porn producers, one killed the other over a girl that they had both gotten involved with. He did his time and runs the club in San Francisco.

They get adult porno stars and also features in adulkt magazines there. The place is a sexual smorgasbord ! 4 or 5 clubs in one. I highly recommend it if you get to cali - it is worth it, but it can get to be very expensive !

I was there a few years ago. One of the girls I was with was a feature in one of magizines that I just bought. It was quite the experience !

[whiteman 14028]

If you play your cards right, you may get FS right here in Ottawa. No need to go to overpriced clubs in the States.

[Juice 2105]

In this city I don't think high mileage includes FS or bj in most SCs. It happens sometimes, and once to me years ago, but it is quite rare. You could waste a lot of $ looking for it.

 

However I spend some time at the PM and there are sure a lot of girls passing phone numbers to the patrons and I have been propositioned for further business off site. Last night the line up was very good. My guess is that maybe a quarter of girls are open to business at your place or hers. This is a really good improvement and makes it more exciting to go for a drink at the PM. Let's try to support these girls, discretely of course so that the establishment does not suffer.

 

Maybe other bars are the same, but I have not ventured forth to them yet.

 

 

Juice

[mikeylikesthat 1767]

To start with, did you ever hear of the Michel brothers ? They were porn producers, one killed the other over a girl that they had both gotten involved with. He did his time and runs the club in San Francisco.

They get adult porno stars and also features in adulkt magazines there. The place is a sexual smorgasbord ! 4 or 5 clubs in one. I highly recommend it if you get to cali - it is worth it, but it can get to be very expensive !

I was there a few years ago. One of the girls I was with was a feature in one of magizines that I just bought. It was quite the experience !

 

 

Ya O'Farrells is quite the place. Went there 15 years ago and had a blast. Been there twice in the last 3 years and it is waaay tooo expensive now. You do see some centerfolds etc but man it is expensive now. Still worth a visit to check out.

[Mister T 45020]

Just a quick reminder to all of us when discussing "high Mileage" and FS clubs ... as they are illegal in Canada (falling under the Bawdy House section of the criminal code), it can become touchy.

 

Besides, weshouldbe discussing anything that would be illegal, now would we, as we can read here ...

http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_discussillegal