Why is it that good looking 21 year olds think they can get our services for free?

[Tulsa 130]

Hi everyone,

 

First thank you for reading my thread! It's long and more of a rant, but I just wanted to share and see what kind of response I got

 

I'm just wondering, and would like feedback on this topic. It's a situation I've been having lately, specially with 21 years old. Not that they are the only ones but they seem to be the most common.

 

They start their conversations with: "Hi I'm 21 years old, good looking, how about you cut me a deal and I treat you like a lady, you might like it!" When you give them your rate, they keep taking your time asking personal questions, then they say they don't want to book they want to be friends, get to know you and see where it goes from there.

 

When you explain to them that you post because you want to make money, and this is your work. You are not friends, but clients, either don't believe you or ignore it and they keep persisting.

 

I'm just curious if, and I'm sure the answer will be yes, other SPs get this type of client and if they do, what do they say to get them to either book or rid of them?

 

I've used a lot of different techniques and none seem to work. I've even told 1 guy who said:(note: this conversation happened after he told me he was shy and needed to talk to SPs 1st before booking)

 

"I would like to get to be your friend, go out for drinks nothing sexual, just friends and see if we click"

 

I replied:

"Great you want to be my friend, then I will meet you for drink but, I will be accompanied by my fiancee is that OK?" (I figured that would get him to give up)

 

He replies:

"why would he come?"

 

ME:

"Well see, we have an agreement, when we go out with friends we always go out together. Most times that is the only time we spend together, therefore if you want to be my friend then I guess you have to live with him being around!"

 

I then get the obvious response:

"Well I was hoping to be friends and see where it goes from there!"

 

Note for all you hobbyist reading this: (And I'm sure most of you probably know this, so please do not think that I am being condescending to you. I'm just ranting and hoping that this will help people who don't look at life this way, to have at least a different perspective)

 

In my humble opinion, if you see someone posting on any erotic board or boards dedicated to SPs odds are we are not looking for dates. Most of us already have relationships outside of our work. Please do not waste our time by trying to entertain a relationship right from the start.

 

(If you are looking for a relationship, there are tons of dating sites full of women waiting to chat and do the dating thing!)

 

Book our time, spend some time with us (for a fee), then you never know we may just like you and want a relationship! :razz:

 

And for those of you who have this theory "I would never pay for sex!" Ask yourself this:

 

Have you ever picked up a girl at a bar and bought her drinks, supper, movie, clothes, jewelry, etc... slept with her but didn't have a relationship her?

 

If your answer is YES then you've paid for sex.It's not because she was in a bar that you didn't exchange something for the sex you got.

 

This said, the only difference between that girl in the bar and an SP is; you don't have to spend 4 hours trying to pick us up by making an impression all you need to do is call and show up. With her you're not even guaranteed to get any action, no matter the amount of drinks you buy her. With us you are, if you pay of course.

 

So if you want a relationship, pay our time instead of drinks, use the time to flirt and try and gain our attention you never know it just might work!

 

See . Different setting.same result!

[Capital Hunter 18263]

Most of us (I would say overwhelming majority) are here for variety and sex (some of us prefer to perceive the encounter as pay for date than pay for sex but still it is a paid encounter), so I find it very strange that a cerbite (I am not sure if in your rant you are referring to a cerbite or cerbites) would be looking for a relationship on this site!!!!:confused:. Very strange indeed. As you said there are dating sites, dating agencies, bars, ..... for that!!!!. Yes most of us have our own criteria or restrictions as who we would like to pay to see, however a relationship or (free) date is likely not in the mind of overwhelming majority of us cerbites, when we are looking for an escort lady to see on this site.

 

A 21 year old wanting a relationship or date with an older woman is not uncommon (though rare), but again it would be very strange if he would be here (though in your post you said your unfortunate experience is not limited to 21 year olds but others too. This statement is what most surprises me lol.) , however if he (they) is (are) here for that, boy he (they) is (are) on the wrong site for sure!!!.

[BigBlueMachine 112]

Ahh to be 21 again! Most 21 year old guys don't have a whole lot of disposable income - they are either saving for school or a new car or rent. So having said that they typically try to bargain for everything. At that age, they've only been trying to pick up girls at a bar for a few years, so they've probably had some success and think all young good looking women will fall for their charm. I think Tulsa's comments would be shared by most of the dancers at the Strip Clubs - they probably make most of their money from the gentlemen over 30 and spend most of their conversation time with the guys 21 who are trying to get a free thrill. Don't worry overtime everyone ages and matures.

[E.D. man 691]

I have a feeling their personality sucks thats why they can't pick some up in a a club.

So next tme tell them when it comes to your looks your an eleven out of ten, but if I add your personality to the equation your a negative 5!!!!

[roamingguy 300292]

I have a feeling their personality sucks thats why they can't pick some up in a a club.

So next tme tell them when it comes to your looks you an eleven out of ten, but if I add your personality to the equation your a negative 5!!!!

 

They probably can't pick up a woman in a club because they ask her to pay for the drinks LOL

And is it just me or do these 20 year old kids act like they invented sex

My 2 cents

RG

[777flyer 1612]

Hey Tulsa !

 

Excellent post..

 

One of the things I have found, as I grow older, now that I am 29....err, 39....well whatever.....anyway, is that don't assume the person you are dealing with actually 'gets it'......he may be naive, a smart ass, or just REALLY thinks he can date you.

 

As an SP, no doubt you get all kinds of requests, I think then the only option is to be polite, re-enforce your rates, service etc., then if the individual is persistent, just say good-bye....

 

Some people just DO NOT GET IT.....which is why I hear of some SP's receiving 5-10 repeat calls from an individual asking the same question, over a short span of time.....they just don't get it......

 

Positive re-enforcement, repetition and if that don't work....then cease communications.....

[etasman2000 15994]

"I would like to get to be your friend, go out for drinks nothing sexual, just friends and see if we click"

 

My social rates are ..... and to be clear there is no private time after.

 

And for those of you who have this theory "I would never pay for sex!"

 

Even Kleenex cost money, right antlerman ? :)

[Guest s******ecan****]

My social rates are ..... and to be clear there is no private time after.

 

Perfectly said etasman.

 

You'll find Tulsa that you will need to be firm in these sort of situations otherwise you will end up in endless conversations/debates. Always remember you are a business person, be polite but firm whenever someone wants to blur the lines.

[drlove 37204]

Some younger guys are immature, which is partly why there are ladies who prefer to see only "older" gentlemen.

[Megan'sTouch 23875]

When I was a stripper, I would have several young guys tell me: "It must be so great getting to dance for a guy like me rather than these old farts."

 

Truth be told, I'd take a respectful, mature man in his 40s or 50s anyday over a cocky, hot, young dude.

[Capital Hunter 18263]

OMG, guys in their 40's are regarded as old farts by some (20 year olds)!!!:shock:. My God, time to prepare my will lol:).

[Cowboy kenny 50799]

Yeah, i remember being 21... your perspective on life is quite different at that age, which is why as Megan points out many providers prefer their clientel to be on the fair side of 40. I was 21 and working in strip clubs at the time I had a better understanding and respect for these ladies than some other cocky 21 year old. This understanding along with my natural charm worked in my favor :)

 

20 some odd years later and still working the charm ;)

[Kubrickfan 12836]

Getting in line with the other "old farts" that have already responded (SA and CK ... smile), I have heard from both dancers and SPs that they would much rather be with a respectful, (ahem) "experienced" old guy that they feel safe with as that allows them to feel more comfortable and not worry about things.

 

Remeber the scene from the movie "Top Gun" (paraphrasing):

 

Cuise: I'm here to stop you from making a big mistake with that "older guy."

 

McGillis: "Why? So I can make a bigger mistake with a younger guy like you?"

 

Cleary, the old farts are the guys who should get a discount if anyone does! :roll:

 

Seriously, I'm glad that younger girls are physically attracted to younger guys ... its the way it should be ... but younger guys need the experience a more mature lady has to offer. Maybe not the same thing applies to younger girls and older guys, but if a younger lady wants to see how she should be treated, there are a lot of gentlemen on this board that can show them the way. :wink:

[Isabella Gia (Banned) 53881]

SA I'm not going to say is every day that I get a request to 'be friends' in here but in the almost 5 months I've been on cerb I have gotten four (that come to my mind) invitations to coffees, lunches, etc ... followed by a 'I just want us to be friends'.

 

As I recently commented I don't mind having conversations on chat or PM with members who may not book with me but I can feel really enjoy chatting with me but are not trying to take advantage of me in any way. Hopefully this doesn't sound rude but and I'm not here to make friends, , not that way and if I say not that way is because I am lucky to have found some friends in here (ladies and gents) but under different circumstances than what guy's like the one Tulsa got the email from.

 

My point is it is possible to develop a friendship here with someone that made the effort to book an appointment with the lady and they happened to get along but not with a guy that only wants to rip you off making you think he wants to be friends.

 

so I find it very strange that a cerbite (I am not sure if in your rant you are referring to a cerbite or cerbites) would be looking for a relationship on this site!!!!:confused:.

[PistolPete 61421]

When I was a stripper' date=' I would have several young guys tell me: "It must be so great getting to dance for a guy like me rather than these old farts."

 

Truth be told, I'd take a respectful, mature man in his 40s or 50s anyday over a cocky, hot, young dude.[/quote']

 

Megan, from the respectful,mature men here at CERB

WE THANK YOU:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

[777flyer 1612]

I totally agree about us 'older guys' being more respectful, and really understanding what this is all about ...or perhaps we have been properly broken in !!!.......

 

Young Buck #1 - I had 2 orgasms in 1 hour !

 

Young Buck #2 - I had 3 orgasms in an hour !

 

Young Buck #3 - I had 4, and could have had a 5th in the hour but didnt want to

 

Us Old Bucks - I had 1 orgasm in an hour.......she had 4

 

Enough said.........

 

SNK

[Capital Hunter 18263]

SA I'm not going to say is every day that I get a request to 'be friends' in here but in the almost 5 months I've been on cerb I have gotten four (that come to my mind) invitations to coffees, lunches, etc ... followed by a 'I just want us to be friends'..

 

Yes as I mentioned Isabella, I find it very strange for this happening on cerb. I thought (some of it at least) can be mis-understanding of some sort. For example on one occasion I PMed a lady asking if she would like to have a Date on Saturday afternoon with me (and in the same PM I asked for her hourly rate but referred to it as her hourly donation) as most cerbites know me already, I prefer to perceive our paid encounter as pay for Date (my perception and choice lol. Right or wrong it is mine) and she got the impression that I was looking for a Rendezvous rather than paid encounter!!!. Mis-understanding of this sort even can happen with me (much more likely with newbies) even though I have been here for long reviewing over 100-150 different ladies (escorts, dancers) on this board alone and variety is my main reason for choosing to elect hobbying!!.

 

So, I thought may be something like this has happened but from what you have written based on what has happened to you yourself (they have invited you to coffees, lunches, etc. and asking for just to be friends!!!) there is no mis-understanding. It is the unfortunate fact that a few cerbites are treating this site as a dating site rather than an escort site (unless all four of them wanted to pay your full rate for your time while you were having coffee with them). It is both strange and unfortunate since they are in the wrong site to search for dates and relationships lol and are here for plenty of disappointments.

[Meg O'Ryan 266444]

I totally agree about us 'older guys' being more respectful, and really understanding what this is all about ...or perhaps we have been properly broken in !!!.......

 

Young Buck #1 - I had 2 orgasms in 1 hour !

 

Young Buck #2 - I had 3 orgasms in an hour !

 

Young Buck #3 - I had 4, and could have had a 5th in the hour but didnt want to

 

Us Old Bucks - I had 1 orgasm in an hour.......she had 4

 

Enough said.........

 

SNK

 

Very true!

[Isabella Gia (Banned) 53881]

Well I think the lady you sent the PM to misread it as you asking the hourly rate makes very clear you were not looking for a rendezvous.

 

Yes as I mentioned Isabella, I find it very strange for this happening on cerb. I thought (some of it at least) can be mis-understanding of some sort. For example on one occasion I PMed a lady asking if she would like to have a Date on Saturday afternoon with me (and in the same PM I asked for her hourly rate but referred to it as her hourly donation) as most cerbites know me already, I prefer to perceive our paid encounter as pay for Date (my perception and choice lol. Right or wrong it is mine) and she got the impression that I was looking for a Rendezvous rather than paid encounter!!!.

 

I can assure you they have no intention to pay for my time. Only one member who expressed wanting to meet me in a personal way (to be friends) after me explaining my reasons not to do that and several chats he decided to book an appointment to show me he was sincere which showed me his intentions were good but that was an exception of the rule IMO.

 

(unless all four of them wanted to pay your full rate for your time while you were having coffee with them). It is both strange and unfortunate since they are in the wrong site to search for dates and relationships lol and are here for plenty of disappointments.

[Heartburn 155]

Did you try this approche;

 

Sure we can meet and be friends and go for drinks. When you book me at my rates we can do what ever you feel like doing. But there are ways much less expensive for you to have drinks with a girl and actually have a chance to a relationship. But, I will be your friend as long as your money lasts.

[Capital Hunter 18263]

Well I think the lady you sent the PM to misread it as you asking the hourly rate makes very clear you were not looking for a rendezvous.

 

 

True, I did ask for her hourly donation (not hourly rate as not being a lawyer I am not sure of its legal implication referred as rate) but In all fairness to the lady (who will remain anonymous) I did refer to our encounter as Date or Rendezvous which may have been misleading. This is copied from my PM, the part that I am asking for her hourly donation:

 

*****************************************************

Your hourly donation? (please note that the donation will be for your time and companionship only and I regard our time as date (rendezvous) and mutually enjoyable encounter.

*****************************************************

 

Anyhow I am twice the 21 year old guy this thread is about, I am just saying that mis-understanding can happen even with me who has seen and reviewed many ladies on this site alone, never mind a newbie and we can not rule out that possibility. From now on I will be more careful when I PM asking for dates (encounters) though.

 

I can assure you they have no intention to pay for my time. Only one member who expressed wanting to meet me in a personal way (to be friends) after me explaining my reasons not to do that and several chats he decided to book an appointment to show me he was sincere which showed me his intentions were good but that was an exception of the rule IMO.

 

Well then you have every right not to be pleased with them. I put myself in your position. If my employer asks me to come to work with no pay saying that because I would love my job and spending time in the office with drawing boards and computers or building sites and therefore should not be paid for my work. I would not be pleased either. This is my work (and your work) and my source of income (and yours too).

 

 

 

 

[Guest S***dst***]

Inexperience. Our experiences, or lack of, make us who we are; not our age. Some people have an over inflated ego and are too arrogant for anything to affect it... remember blaming your controller for why you failed at playing your old school nintendo?

 

I suppose this has shed a bit of light on the issue of why younger ladies, or same-age range as myself, will not see me because I'm still in my twenties.

On the back end of that however I feel I have to chime in on the other side of this conversation.

 

Arrogance and ignorance are some things most people carry with them their whole lives.

Age is just a number.

I have various male friend in their 30's and 40's who are more immature and irresponsible than I ever was. Some of them even pout, cry and complain when they lose in a sport, game or contest.

 

Gets kind of depressing reading all the time about how immature, cocky and disrespectful I should be because of my age.

My skin is think enough not to take anything I read here personal.

I've worked hard to get where I am.

I know who I am and I like that person.

Give me a chance and you will too :)

[Capital Hunter 18263]

It is wrong to generalize a population based on certain attributes (age being one) and I am sure this was not the intention of anyone here on this friendly classy board. I sincerely apologize if you were offended Speedstick..

 

There are many people much older that are immature. Maturity is state of (evolution of) mind not the number on birth certificate. There are many 20 year olds by far more wise and mature than people two-three times that age and vice versa. For two years I had to teach classes with very young people and I encountered students in their late teens/early twenties who were more mature than some of my colleague professors and some who were more immature than my 7-8 year old nieces and nephews. It is not the age it is the state of mind which determines maturity. My 2 cents.

[mod 135640]

keep in mind that some municipalities have "escort licenses" and this only pertains to social dates!! they could call you up asking for a paid social date and give you a ticket for escorting without a license! these so called escort bylaws do NOT pertain to prostitutes as it is illegal for the cities to license prostitution!?

 

Winnipeg, Calgary, Barrie, Windsor, Vancouver, and probably some other cities too have these municipal escorting licenses. usually 4000.00 a year or more! it's a way to try to police and cash in on anyone advertising prostitution as a "paid escort"

 

charging less for a social date in these cities would be foolish as it could end up costing you a lot more in the long run.

[PistolPete 61421]

keep in mind that some municipalities have "escort licenses" and this only pertains to social dates!! they could call you up asking for a paid social date and give you a ticket for escorting without a license! these so called escort bylaws do NOT pertain to prostitutes as it is illegal for the cities to license prostitution!?

 

Winnipeg, Calgary, Barrie, Windsor, Vancouver, and probably some other cities too have these municipal escorting licenses. usually 4000.00 a year or more! it's a way to try to police and cash in on anyone advertising prostitution as a "paid escort"

 

charging less for a social date in these cities would be foolish as it could end up costing you a lot more in the long run.

 

What a very interesting post,thanks Mod!