Why is it that good looking 21 year olds think they can get our services for free?

[fortunateone 156618]

keep in mind that some municipalities have "escort licenses" and this only pertains to social dates!! they could call you up asking for a paid social date and give you a ticket for escorting without a license! these so called escort bylaws do NOT pertain to prostitutes as it is illegal for the cities to license prostitution!?

 

Winnipeg, Calgary, Barrie, Windsor, Vancouver, and probably some other cities too have these municipal escorting licenses. usually 4000.00 a year or more! it's a way to try to police and cash in on anyone advertising prostitution as a "paid escort"

 

charging less for a social date in these cities would be foolish as it could end up costing you a lot more in the long run.

 

 

Vancouver sells escort licenses, but not seriously, and no one gets fined for not having one. Plus, the GVA is pretty large, and all the neighbourhoods nearby are on a different municipality, and literally just across the street or over the bridge. No one enforces it at all. Their interest is primarily the asian massage parlours (have a business front, massage rooms, biz license etc), the micros (illegal workers working out of apartments), and the SWs (street workers). Everyone else goes at it.

 

Edmonton is the other city that HEAVILY enforces the city escort licensing requirements. On a recent sting they collected over $90,000 in fines. They fined drivers and sps who showed up to a hotel for an outcall, because they work without licenses. This is their idea of stomping down on prostitution, lol, but in reality they are just keeping a level playing field for the ladies who do pay for licenses. The cost of a license there is high (2,000?) for an independent, but really low ($200) for anyone who works at a massage parlour.

 

Victoria is another city to add to the list of licenses. A lot of sps get the city license (a few hundred dollars, I believe) and a lot work out of massage parlours and agencies as well. I have not ever once heard of any bylaw fines for unlicensed sps in Victoria, so I do not think they enforce the licensing.

 

In one of those cities tho, an sp successfully took the fine to court and argued that she was a prostitute, going about the legal business of prostitution not an escort and therefore did not need an escort license. I believe she won. But the sp needs to want to go to court over it,

 

Additional Comments:

On topic, I recently read the term "leech" being applied to a guy who tries this carrot dangling approach. Needs to meet first, needs to have several phone calls, needs to go for lunch, wants to hang out, wants to hang shelves (or offer unsolicited financial advice), the list goes on, but we are talking about active board member sps with exceptional reviews, good ads and detailed website. If none of that is enough for a guy to make up his mind, then he is a leech (or looking for an sp SO). Neither possibility is attractive to ladies who are in the business of offering their company for a fee.

 

secret admirer, please STOP referring to the sessions as "just paying for time" sort of thing or only book by phone. It is legal to discuss rates and services and to exchange $ for services in Canada. That time thing is a US affectation and could be a detriment to you spending time with some sps who do not know what you are up to lol. Be straight up, for heavens sake. No one is going to arrest you for asking how much is it for a half hour GFE appt.

[PistolPete 61421]

Being straight up is the only way to be!;)

[Andee 220524]

Tulsa, as an older SP (50), I get these guys from time to time, but I don't indulge them with excessive texting or e-mails back and forth, because it's like, I don't feel I have to justify myself to them.

 

It's pay for play, period. I don't care how good looking or young you are. I'm not running a charity or discount.

 

Oh, and these requests are not just limited to guys in their 20s by the way. I get the same sales pitch from guys of all ages (but, yes mostly younger).

 

I routinely get asked if I offer a "student discount". I used to knock $20 off, but not anymore. In fact, I recently changed my requirements to men over 30 now because I'm tired of these younger guys thinking they're doing me a favour by wanting to come and see me or offering me a lower price.

 

I recently had a problem with a 19 year old who threatened to call the cops of me because I wouldn't service him for $60. I don't need that kind of grief in my life, and neither do you.

 

If it's "free sex" they want, tell them to go to a dating site, not an escort site.

[WildRose 387]

Whenever someone asks me if they can see me for free, it's my sign that I should simply move their email to the "Do not respond" list. I had a guy a couple days ago offering to clean my apartment or cook me food in return for sex! Are people getting broker? Or just more cocky?

[lakersyankees 100]

Just stay with us old guys who know better

[E.D. man 691]

Whenever someone asks me if they can see me for free, it's my sign that I should simply move their email to the "Do not respond" list. I had a guy a couple days ago offering to clean my apartment or cook me food in return for sex! Are people getting broker? Or just more cocky?

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My drugs after my med plan cost me on average $300 a month about 3 years ago it was just a little more than half of that.

[Guest s******ecan****]

[quote=Speedstick;148472... remember blaming your controller for why you failed at playing your old school nintendo?.....

 

 

 

But those controllers were to blame, I knew it then, and I still know it now!

[Emma Alexandra 123368]

I think we all have had this happen at one time or another...The - "I'm so hot you should do me for free" guys. They come in all age brackets and try to disguise it in many forms ...be it..just plain bluntness and saying it...or... can we meet for coffee- i would like to take you to dinner- Also lets not forget the gents that say- I don't pay for sex i just want to be your friend....all in all they only want one thing....sex...just different ways of going about it....I have had members from this board do this to me...a few were clients at one point and yes became friends...some friends with benefits...until one day after not hearing from one of them for awhile i emailed him asking why? He said "I've moved on....all the best to you". That's fine but i didn't know friends moved on....haha...guess i was fooled and it made me feel very cheap and used.

I'm a very trusting person and thought i choose my friends wisely...we can all be fooled....From the 21 year old guys to the 60 something year old ones...it's very hard in this business to know who your real friends are male or female....clients or sp's...it can be a very lonely world...so tell your dudes with the attitude to take a hike and trust your instincts...kisses

[Carrie Moon 68826]

The worst thing you can do is humor them with any kind of explanatory reply. Be clear.. straight forward that you don't date clients for free and that would be considered a date. It matters not whether you have a boyfriend or not.

 

I personally don't even offer a lower rate for social time... it's the same fee regardless of whether or not we're in my bedroom visiting or out on the town for dinner/drinks.

 

If you do offer a social time rate be sure that they know any indoor time is at a different rate and don't drink too much if you do on the date. Guys paying for social time can get cocky after drinking and think that you like them so much that things will 'naturally progress' to bedroom activities.

 

That's my advice anyway :)

[Suzirider 737]

"....how about you cut me a deal and I treat you like a lady, you might like it!"...

 

Does that mean ?.....If I dont cut you a deal, You'll treat me like a #@$%^, and I wont like it !!!

Hmmmm, thanks for warning me.

[Tulsa 130]

Suzirider,

 

I'm not sure where you're going with this... but I was simply saying what kind of interaction I was having with this client.

[Andee 220524]

Suzirider,

 

I'm not sure where you're going with this... but I was simply saying what kind of interaction I was having with this client.

 

Tulsa: I believe Suzirider was joking...or at least I hope he was.

[Carrie Moon 68826]

I am often speaking up for the younger guys but this one takes the cake today..

 

so..speaking of dumb 21 year old request.. I get a text from one asking if I'm available a few days ago. My reply an hour later. Yes. His.. Sorry for wasting your time but I found someone more economical siting student budget issues etc. Mine: seriously? etc etc..

 

So last night he texts me again. Asking if I can get him into porn. That's he's good looking and large 'down there''. He'd be good at it he texts me. I tell him ''no'' this morning when I reply.

 

Then he asks me if I can hire him! at this point.. I call him (enough of this texting back and forth crap) to tell him off..that if he can't afford me not to contact me then.. and that in no way shape or form do I hire guys to do porn! and then I hung up on him. Told him to quit texting me. His text back.. ''sorry''.

[Suzirider 737]

I was trying to be subtly sarcastic to the dude that would say such a line.

To me it implies there is an opposite. (I pay more, I be bad boy)

[Tulsa 130]

lol... thank you for clearing that up suzirider. It was the exact same thing I was thinking when I had that conversation with him!

 

I would also like to take the time to thank everyone who replied to this thread and to fortunateone and ggstyle for nominating my post. I have had a great time reading all your post and some gave me insight on how to deal with those people, some made me laugh and others made me appreciate just how friendly this board really is.

 

I hope that you all enjoyed this thread as much as I did. Please don't take this as I am done with this thread, I would like to see as many responses as possible.

 

Again thank you and enjoy!

[Guest **n****er]

This is weird. When I was 21 I wasnt dumb enough to try and pick up an SP. It's pretty self explanatory that you're not in it to meet guys.:confused:

[Nicolette Vaughn 294340]

This is weird. When I was 21 I wasnt dumb enough to try and pick up an SP. It's pretty self explanatory that you're not in it to meet guys.:confused:

 

Understood but many 21 year old guys lack the maturity to define the boundaries of an SP-client relationship. While there are a few 21 year olds who may be the exception, 90% of young guys that I have dealt with as an SP have always wanted some sort of interaction outside the business. It was almost like seeing an SP was an extension of their other social activities and many just wanted to "hang out as friends". While not to be condenscending as I was once 21 and in the business at that age and probably just as immature as they were, I still had to explain to them that this was a business and they were paying for my time. Plus when more mature men call me, I don't receive the introduction of "Hey wassup. U free 2day? Let me know your address. I would like to do it with you in your backyard." And yes folks, that was an actual text message I received a few weeks ago.

[Sens_win 852]

LOL, it's the equivalent on internet message boards of the saying "don't feed the trolls". The more interaction and feedback you give him (emails, texts, etc.) the more he'll keep coming back.

 

I'm in IT/computers so frequently when I'm at a party someone (who I have never met before) will explain a computer problem they are having and ask if I can come over to their house and fix their computer, which is almost always hours of work to do it right. I've learned to reply: "Sure, while I'm fixing your computer can you clean my house?". Always gets a laugh and gets the point across. Friends and family are another story of course.

[Tulsa 130]

Understood but many 21 year old guys lack the maturity to define the boundaries of an SP-client relationship. While there are a few 21 year olds who may be the exception, 90% of young guys that I have dealt with as an SP have always wanted some sort of interaction outside the business. It was almost like seeing an SP was an extension of their other social activities and many just wanted to "hang out as friends". While not to be condenscending as I was once 21 and in the business at that age and probably just as immature as they were, I still had to explain to them that this was a business and they were paying for my time. Plus when more mature men call me, I don't receive the introduction of "Hey wassup. U free 2day? Let me know your address. I would like to do it with you in your backyard." And yes folks, that was an actual text message I received a few weeks ago.

 

Funny you should mention the backyard thing... I had an 18 year old wanting me to do it in the bush down the street from his house... I finally showed up and he was hiding in the bush... poor kid was so nervous that I had a driver that he ran like a rabbit.

 

You are right they are just that kids, but some of the incidents are funny none the less.

[Nicolette Vaughn 294340]

Funny you should mention the backyard thing... I had an 18 year old wanting me to do it in the bush down the street from his house... I finally showed up and he was hiding in the bush... poor kid was so nervous that I had a driver that he ran like a rabbit.

 

You are right they are just that kids, but some of the incidents are funny none the less.

 

LOL. That's funny. I had one guy sneak under my radar yesterday because he did sound mature on the phone. He gets there and he wasn't probably a day over 19, fresh zits and all. And of course as I predicted, I knew how it was going to be. Nothing like the usual GFE encounter I provide. All pornstar type action, treating me like I'm a blow up doll wanting to flip me around different ways. I was a good sport about it until he started to talk nasty and I got mad because he kept saying "You like that bitch?" I felt like I was scolding a child when I told him he shouldn't be saying those things. It's almost like he thought he was in some rough porno type movie. So in return, I called him a couple of names (which btw I never do with a gentleman) and i don't think he liked it too much.lol. It all went downhill from there. Rough as can be and I kept having to slap him away from my thighs because he was grabbing them so hard. He was out of there in 15 minutes ( shower included). I toftt because I didn't realize about his age and decided to go through with it anyways but I was right. And this happened to be on the day where I forgot to include in my ad that I was only seeking mature gentlemen. Never again....too immature for my liking.

[d2gOntario 100]

Greetings Cerbites,

I'm new to Cerb but i've been on Terb for a while. I apologize that my first post is not a recommendation but Tulsa's post really caught my attention.

 

Why is it that good looking 21 year olds think they can get our services for free?

 

I find the question particularly interesting because, I was in that group not long ago. I'm probably a bit young (25) , but I would like to think that I'm mature enough for my age.

 

I've never asked for free service or any kind of discount but I do, unfortunately, remember feeling that I deserved a discount with a girl I became friends with once.

 

Here's how I see it now, and maybe this explanation will work for some of your ?younger? clients:

 

When you find a barber who you like, you go there more often right?

If the service is good and you go there a lot you'll talk more and you become better ?friends? right?

When people like their barber they never beg for free hair cuts, they give them a BIGGER tip.

Same with a good mechanic, a good waiter, etc... So why no do the same for your favorite SP?

 

I don't think these guys are all out to rip you off (all though maybe some are) I think they're just confusing things.

 

If your best friend becomes a barber then yes maybe he'll give you a free hair cut here and there (although in general I'd still pay and tip well because he's my friend) but you never try to make friends with your barber and then ask for a free cut.

[Carrie Moon 68826]

When people like their barber they never beg for free hair cuts, they give them a BIGGER tip.

Same with a good mechanic, a good waiter, etc... So why no do the same for your favorite SP?

 

You got it! I think the post should have been started with why do arrogant guys think they can get sex for free.. because in reality it's not the age it's the attitude.. You obviously have the right attitude.. and welcome to cerb.. I left turd some time ago and spend my free time on here :bddog:

[PistolPete 61421]

I left turd some time ago and spend my free time on here :bddog:

 

LMAO!! I use to lurk over there,and it is a lot of BS and a lot of nothing positive to read from comments from some members on there. (and actual fact have the same handle of here too....is that like speaking from both sides of the mouth? )

[Capital Hunter 18263]

Agree. Arrogant people can be found at any age lol. And yes asking for service providers' time and not willing to compensate properly for her time is both arrogant and selfish. There is no other way to describe it. Just to know how it feels, I put myself in her shoes. My employer asking me to come and work for free or for half the pay because I love my work, I would be mad too lol

[Carrie Moon 68826]

My employer asking me to come and work for free or for half the pay because I love my work, I would be mad too lol

 

Whatever you do SA don't smile and whistle at work.. it may happen!

 

Guys have even had the nerve to look up and smile at me after making me cum and say.. ''you should be paying me''.. ugh..