What happens in CL stays in CL?

[Isabella Gia (Banned) 53881]

I have been giving some thought to posting or not this thread so before I start, please keep in mind this is my opinion only, I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do.

 

With that said, I'll get started. Is at least twice every day that I read threads from guys asking about someone's ad from CL.

 

Personally, I find this very disrespectful to all members of this community, starting with Mod who puts a lot of effort to keep this site safe like for it to become an advertising tool of other sites. Also, to us ladies who care about keeping a reputation and being truthful in our ads and last but not least, to the hobbyists here that do not use that site.

 

So, my point here is everyone is free to meet ladies from wherever they choose but I think unless the site is affiliated with cerb then no posts about it should be posted in here.

 

I suggest out of respect for all members here we leave everything related to that site in there, where it belongs including questions, recommendations and especially the drama.

I have noticed a few ladies that only advertised there and by a guy's suggestion decided to join cerb and they are very welcome here but guys until they do it would be best to keep any comments away from cerb.

 

As I said at the start of the thread, is just what I think I apologize if someone think this is inappropriate just had to get it out :)

[Victoria Banks 21899]

Aren't there enough women here on cerb to ask questions about

[Guest s******ecan****]

Personally I wouldn't miss all the CL references, I do find the "Has anyone checked out _____ on CL?" threads to be a form of clutter.

 

Having said that it does seem that there are several members who participate in these threads. As well, as I understand it, more than a few of the CERB ladies also advertise on CL.

 

I guess it would be one more thing for Mod to have to police so perhaps that is why it is not currently against the rules to reference CL so long as you do not link to it.

 

I am firmly against importing any CL "drama", one can always use the "report this" button if you think a thread is getting abusive.

[Guest W***ledi*Time]

CL certainly should not be promoted, and all its drama should be kept well away from Cerb. This is reflected in Cerb rules.

 

On the other hand, I feel there is room to be made for a distinction between:

1) discussing a

lady

who happens to advertise on CL, and

2) promoting the CL

site

itself.

Just as long as discussion is respectful, I don't think that ladies who happen not to be Cerb members should be unmentionable or undiscussable or unrecommendable -- I like the current inclusive rules in this regard. Otherwise, you may well get into a chicken-or-egg dilemma when it comes to increasing participation and interest in Cerb. Restrictions on discussion would inevitably translate into less content and less traffic. On the other hand -- it seems to me that the more traffic there is on Cerb, the more potential clients will see all the Cerb ladies' ads, and the better for everyone in the long run!

 

I fully understand why some feel differently about where the balance might best be struck, though.

[redmachine 1916]

Although I am not a big fan of cl and have never made a post about cl or met anyone from this site I think I disagree.

 

Many of the most well respected ladies on cerb also advertise on cl so for sure there are lots of good experience's to be found on the site and if someone from this site does have a good experience from the site should they not be able to share with all?

 

As for the has anyone seen so and so from cl post there may very well be someone who has seen this person and can provide the poster with information good or bad and may spare the poster a bad experience or from a dangerous situation. This sharing of information is what I think the site is about.

 

I totally agree with Cindy there are plenty of ladies on cerb

[Grass_Hopper 18263]

Most of CL clients are very young, and SOMETIMES real assholes, but most of CERB clients are no-shows...

 

And also, ladies, what are you complaining about? I mean, I agree that there's a lot of competition, but someone who's reliable and offer a good level of service should'nt be worried about this...

 

I have to agree that it is more dangerous for the guys... B&S is nothing compare to certain situations I've read on the cowboy's diary, so I can understand that a guy won't visit CL, but a lady?

 

You think CL is more dangerous then CERB? Have you ladies took the time to read our section? And what kind of situation we sometimes are regarding men on here? How many thread have been written only regarding the basic guidelines when we have a rendez-vous, only in the Newbies section?

 

Seriously, I do agree that asking for X or X from CL is a litlle too much... Do your homeworks, find a reco, check out CK's blog, and if you don't find anything, risk it if you really feel the need to...

 

As for me, I've been advertising on CL since over 3 years, and I don't really see the difference between the two regarding the clientele. Out of the scams, dangerous situation, spams,... I have absolutely no reason to quit it, since it brings me more clients...

[Capital Hunter 18263]

I fully agree about the drama part to be kept totally away from this classy board however can not extend my agreement on excluding questions or recommendations as well.

 

There are very classy ladies on CL as well who deserve recognition and recommendation so that cerbites become aware that they are out there and they should be encouraged to join cerb and become part of this expanding community. Yes there are a large number of great SPs on cerb but in my view we should keep the door open to new SPs and make this community even more pleasant by having more lady cerbites.

 

I have met a large number of classy SPs on CL, recommended them and some joined cerb and became well known cerb SPs and cerbites thanked me for that. True there are some not so classy ones on CL and some practice Bait and switch (NOT all) but those ones will NEVER be mentioned or recommended on cerb only the deserving ones. The other reality is that many cerb SPs also advertise on CL. Do we exclude them too?. Of course not. In summary I believe we should follow a policy of inclusion NOT an exclusion policy here on cerb

 

On the question part, Yes that should be allowed too. This could save our members some dollars and disappointments. If I have seen a not deserving CL SP or one who practices B & S then yes cerbites should be able to ask about her and I WILL PM the member about my experience as I have done in the past and save the members some grief. That is what cerb is about. Sharing and helping each other and as I said should not be limited to cerb SPs.

 

PS - This thread expresses my personal view on the topic.

[777flyer 1612]

While I wholeheartedly agree about keeping CERB respectful, I do not agree that we should not reference other sites such as CL.

 

Anytime I am looking at an ad outside of CERB, whether it be on CL, EC or whatever, the FIRST PLACE i come to is CERB, and this is where i look to see if anyone has met the lady ( if she is not on CERB ).

 

This is not being disrespectful of CERB, in fact the contrary, it's because I RESPECT the opinion of my fellow hobbyists on CERB, this is the ONLY PLACE that I would seek an opinion on a lady that isn't advertising on CERB.

 

In fact, referencing CERB to others, simply increases the traffic to this site, and spreads 'brand awareness'

 

So KUDOS to Mod, who has done a phenomenal job of keeping this board respectful so we all feel like family, as well as the place to go for questions we may have for advertisers outside CERB.

 

SNK

[Guest s******ecan****]

..... but most of CERB clients are no-shows...

 

...

 

Sorry to hear this Grass_Hopper....it sure is rude behaviour.

[Isabella Gia (Banned) 53881]

SA I knew this thread would get different reactions. Now, I do agree with ladies deserving recognition and that is why I said the ones who decide to join cerb are welcome here, I never suggested not wanting them here. But my perception is if someone is not interested in joining the community it means she is not interested in any of those benefits.

 

As for the ladies from cerb who advertise there, I don't even mentioned that in my original post as my observation/advice was not don't use Cl it was don't bring anything related to it in here and as far as I know ladies who post there only bring it up when it comes to safety issues to prevent others and do it in the SP section.

 

As for a policy of inclusion well, I would not even consider me expressing my thoughts a policy but again, I mentioned ladies are always welcome to join cerb. To me, that is inclusion.

 

There are very classy ladies on CL as well who deserve recognition and recommendation so that cerbites become aware that they are out there and they should be encouraged to join cerb and become part of this expanding community. Yes there are a large number of great SPs on cerb but in my view we should keep the door open to new SPs and make this community even more pleasant by having more lady cerbites.

 

I have met a large number of classy SPs on CL, recommended them and some joined cerb and became well known cerb SPs and cerbites thanked me for that. True there are some not so classy ones on CL and some practice Bait and switch (NOT all) but those ones will NEVER be mentioned or recommended on cerb only the deserving ones. The other reality is that many cerb SPs also advertise on CL. Do we exclude them too?. Of course not. In summary I believe we should follow a policy of inclusion NOT an exclusion policy here on cerb

 

On the question part, Yes that should be allowed too. This could save our members some dollars and disappointments. If I have seen a not deserving CL SP or one who practices B & S then yes cerbites should be able to ask about her and I WILL PM the member about my experience as I have done in the past and save the member some headaches. That is what cerb is about. Sharing and helping each other and as I said should not be limited to cerb SPs.

 

PS - This thread expresses my personal view on the topic.

[M*s*** 162]

Personally I think all the CL drama should stay on CL and not here.

[Capital Hunter 18263]

SA I knew this thread would get different reactions. Now, I do agree with ladies deserving recognition and that is why I said the ones who decide to join cerb are welcome here, I never suggested not wanting them here. But my perception is if someone is not interested in joining the community it means she is not interested in any of those benefits.

 

 

As for a policy of inclusion well, I would not even consider me expressing my thoughts a policy but again, I mentioned ladies are always welcome to join cerb. To me, that is inclusion.

 

Isabella, first off you are welcome to express your views. This is cerb and we are all friends. But even best friends sometimes have differences of opinions. That is normal.

 

As a friend I differ with your views and debated for the other side, however, what I am not clear from your post above is how do we know if the ladies on CL want to join cerb or not unless we meet them, recommend them on cerb, let them know about cerb (some haven't heard about cerb) and asked them to join:confused:??.

 

In my experience with CL (and I have invited a number of CL SPs and some have joined cerb and some of those some became popular cerb SPs) there are some beautiful classy ones who are not aware of cerb. I recommended them (if they deserved it) and second time I saw them I showed them their reco thread and also showed them where they advertise for free and encouraged them to join cerb. True some never joined, but some did. Those who were recommended but did not join was mostly because they were in the game for just a short while but still classy and beautiful. And lets not forget some did join cerb (starting from CL) and became popular cerb SPs.

 

Also, lets remember the very important point. Cerb is a safe place to be and where to meet safe classy gents. I feel good eveytime I am able to convince a lady advertising on CL to join cerb and advertise on cerb instead, bacause I strongly believe that she would be safer here and I feel I am doing another human being a service by showing her this safe haven and encouraging her to stay off CL and be here instead. I feel good about myself everytime. This safety net should include and spread to everyone (or as many as possible) and not limited just to those lucky ones who were or became aware of cerb and have joined already. My personal view.

[Isabella Gia (Banned) 53881]

Ok I will re-read your response so will not make any comments about most of it now but seriously you think they join cerb and stop using CL?

 

I feel I am doing another human being a service by showing her this safe heaven and encouraging her to stay off CL and be here instead.

[Capital Hunter 18263]

I don't have such statistics. I guess some do and some don't but even those who stayed with CL partially, they are here and meet some of the gents on this site. So, overall eveyone is safer relatively. I wished they all stay off CL completely once they learn about cerb but I cut the line here. I advise what I think is the best for lady and she is the decision maker. She runs her life NOT me.

[Isabella Gia (Banned) 53881]

Hmmm ... I was going to stay away from the thread as it is becoming a dialogue between SA and myself but IMO and I know as I can see MANY here will not agree this is the perfect example of all those who complain about something but keep doing it because everyone else still do it and that is how it never ends. My point is the less men use CL the more SP's will have to find another place to advertise and yes, hopefully a safer one.

I don't have such statistics. I guess some do and some don't but even those who stayed with CL partially, they are here and meet some of the gents on this site. So, overall eveyone is safer relatively. I wished they all stay off CL completely once they learn about cerb but I cut the line here. I advise what I think is the best for lady and she is the decision maker. She runs her life NOT me.

[Andee 220524]

I don't see anything wrong with guys enquiring about girls adverstising on CL. I advertise there myself and not all girls on CL are scammers. The ones who are eventually get found out

 

What I do object to is threads where we are talking about specific posts, eg. "The 12 friends I saw today" which may or may not have been posted by the SP in question.

 

Since the lady in question has not given her input, then it's all speculation as to whether she actually wrote the post or not.

 

Speculation breeds false rumours etc. and negativity which is not in the spirit of what this board is all about.

 

I personally believe that particular thread should be deleted.

[Capital Hunter 18263]

I may have misread your original post. If so I apologize. My impression was that you wished that the ladies on CL not to be recommended here on cerb (those who are not also cerb SPs) or no questions should be asked about them because they advertise on CL.

 

As for guys not using CL, well I believe in freedom of choice. Not sure even if all cerbites stop seeing CL ladies, that would cause a big dent in CL ads but you do have a point though contrary to the freedom of choice and speech that I strongly believe.

[Lowdark 5613]

I understand Isabella's point. If you were a hockey player that worked your butt off to make the big team but you overheard some of the scouts asking about prospects from another organization, one with a very questionable reputation, while you're right there in their back yard, well, I can't think of anyone in that kind of situation who might not be a little confused.

 

Additional Comments:

I understand Isabella's point. If you were a hockey player that worked your butt off to make the big team but you overheard some of the scouts asking about prospects from another organization, one with a very questionable reputation, while you're right there in their back yard, well, I can't think of anyone in that kind of situation who might not be a little confused.

[fortunateone 156618]

Most of CL clients are very young, and SOMETIMES real assholes, but most of CERB clients are no-shows...

 

And also, ladies, what are you complaining about? I mean, I agree that there's a lot of competition, but someone who's reliable and offer a good level of service should'nt be worried about this...

 

I have to agree that it is more dangerous for the guys... B&S is nothing compare to certain situations I've read on the cowboy's diary, so I can understand that a guy won't visit CL, but a lady?

 

You think CL is more dangerous then CERB? Have you ladies took the time to read our section? And what kind of situation we sometimes are regarding men on here? How many thread have been written only regarding the basic guidelines when we have a rendez-vous, only in the Newbies section?

 

Seriously, I do agree that asking for X or X from CL is a litlle too much... Do your homeworks, find a reco, check out CK's blog, and if you don't find anything, risk it if you really feel the need to...

 

As for me, I've been advertising on CL since over 3 years, and I don't really see the difference between the two regarding the clientele. Out of the scams, dangerous situation, spams,... I have absolutely no reason to quit it, since it brings me more clients...

 

 

Well said. CL is simply an advertising site, just like any other. There are paid and unpaid sites out there, and the chances of good and bad experiences come equally. Before they used CL, the scammers used other venues including paying for ads which sounds unbelievable but true.

 

Personally as someone who uses it, I plan to continue because no other site (or combination of sites and other venues) can compete with the traffic that we get as working sps from that site. No other site can offer someone testing out the business as an sp an opportunity to set herself up to get to that place where she has fancy ads and websites and pictures. And no other venue has the ability to find absolutely new to this clients who don't have a ton of expectations or concerns about setting up an appt and just having a good time. They don't flit from sp to sp, as do those on the other review boards. They become long term regular clients, are as respectful, courteous, wealthy, hygienic, as any one with more experinence in this hobby. They are as likely to be rude or not as anyone who finds us on sp advertising forums, and as likely to show or no show as well.

 

Neither the clients nor the sps who use CL are the dregs of society, or less worthy or less reputable than the sps and clients of other sites. CL is not the place to go only when you want to find some cheap date with questionable services. It is extremely offensive to me and others I am sure to be lumped in with some broad brush strokes, sweeping everyone who uses it like something distasteful. we have experienced escorts who charge 350-400-500 per hour with extremely good reputations and very well reviewed use it regularly. If someone thinks they are too good for CL, or somehow thinks they are "better" than those who use it, or that the cliente is less worthy of their time, I wonder what they think of these ladies who place ads there? You really think someone who advertises a special at 400/hr daytime rate is going to have to deal with a lot of 80 buck offers lol?

 

I think that I really really get offended by such statements as this not just because I and many sps I know and admire use it, but also that the clients who come from seeing my ads there a truly wonderful men. I feel distressed that anyone would consider that these guys are unworthy of their consideration, or less than human because they use CL. I feel sorry for anyone who is so narrow and judgmental about this topic, that they would prefer to view the advertisers as subpar or not capable of a professional attitude.

 

Fact is many of the well reviewed and reputable ladies of cerb use CL. Diss CL and you diss us all, imo. Also, if you haven't used it, then perhaps sit back and listen to the advice and experiences of those of us who do. If after 3 years, neither grasshopper nor myself have abandoned using CL, there must be something to it, no?

[Lowdark 5613]

I don't think Isabella was insulting CL or judging any of the ladies who use it. I get the impression that she was just saying she was wondering why so many threads were started inquiring about ladies from CL as oppossed to the ladies who use CERB. But I don't think she was trying to make any sort of moral assertions or insult anyone.

[fortunateone 156618]

I don't think Isabella was insulting CL or judging any of the ladies who use it. I get the impression that she was just saying she was wondering why so many threads were started inquiring about ladies from CL as oppossed to the ladies who use CERB. But I don't think she was trying to make any sort of moral assertions or insult anyone.

 

 

Ok, maybe so. I just see it an awful lot on this site, and find that it is one of my rants to vent lol.

[Isabella Gia (Banned) 53881]

When did I mention hobbyists or SP's using CL not being worth or being less than the ones in here?

 

In fact I did not once mention any of the points you bring up ... my comments were not referred to respect, no shows, reputations, etc.

I actually said it is great that the guys ask ladies they meet from there to join Cerb and that is very admirable that ladies here only mention the site when it comes to warn others from a safety issue so I invite you to re-read my post as apparently my message was misunderstood. The thoughts I tried to express are that IMO is not right to use a site that does not agree with the way this other site works as a tool to find information that can't be found there due to the lack of professionalism from the people who run it.

Well said. CL is simply an advertising site, just like any other. There are paid and unpaid sites out there, and the chances of good and bad experiences come equally. Before they used CL, the scammers used other venues including paying for ads which sounds unbelievable but true.

 

Personally as someone who uses it, I plan to continue because no other site (or combination of sites and other venues) can compete with the traffic that we get as working sps from that site. No other site can offer someone testing out the business as an sp an opportunity to set herself up to get to that place where she has fancy ads and websites and pictures. And no other venue has the ability to find absolutely new to this clients who don't have a ton of expectations or concerns about setting up an appt and just having a good time. They don't flit from sp to sp, as do those on the other review boards. They become long term regular clients, are as respectful, courteous, wealthy, hygienic, as any one with more experinence in this hobby. They are as likely to be rude or not as anyone who finds us on sp advertising forums, and as likely to show or no show as well.

 

Neither the clients nor the sps who use CL are the dregs of society, or less worthy or less reputable than the sps and clients of other sites. CL is not the place to go only when you want to find some cheap date with questionable services. It is extremely offensive to me and others I am sure to be lumped in with some broad brush strokes, sweeping everyone who uses it like something distasteful. we have experienced escorts who charge 350-400-500 per hour with extremely good reputations and very well reviewed use it regularly. If someone thinks they are too good for CL, or somehow thinks they are "better" than those who use it, or that the cliente is less worthy of their time, I wonder what they think of these ladies who place ads there? You really think someone who advertises a special at 400/hr daytime rate is going to have to deal with a lot of 80 buck offers lol?

 

I think that I really really get offended by such statements as this not just because I and many sps I know and admire use it, but also that the clients who come from seeing my ads there a truly wonderful men. I feel distressed that anyone would consider that these guys are unworthy of their consideration, or less than human because they use CL. I feel sorry for anyone who is so narrow and judgmental about this topic, that they would prefer to view the advertisers as subpar or not capable of a professional attitude.

 

Fact is many of the well reviewed and reputable ladies of cerb use CL. Diss CL and you diss us all, imo. Also, if you haven't used it, then perhaps sit back and listen to the advice and experiences of those of us who do. If after 3 years, neither grasshopper nor myself have abandoned using CL, there must be something to it, no?

[FineWineDiva 7343]

I've never had a no show CERB client

Yikes , I hope I haven't jinks myself

 

Sorry to hear this Grass_Hopper....it sure is rude behaviour.

[Grass_Hopper 18263]

What's very sad is that some reputable SP(s) is(are) bashing CL when that's where they first started...

 

As for CERB, I use it in three ways... The first one as the recommendations section. I put it on my ad on CL, and try to have something add to it pretty regularly.

 

Then, I post my ad on here, in the morning, wich is almost the same as CL.

 

An then, if I have the time to, participate in discussion...

 

I believe some SP(s) have forgotten they were doing the exact same thing? Prehaps, I will continue to use CL, post the link to my reviews, and if somebody wants to register to check them out, good for them...

 

As for those bashing, remember that who are you to judge my way of advertising?

 

Anyways, enough drama, I don't even want to read it anymore... Good night...

[Capital Hunter 18263]

I don't think Isabella was insulting CL or judging any of the ladies who use it. I get the impression that she was just saying she was wondering why so many threads were started inquiring about ladies from CL as oppossed to the ladies who use CERB. But I don't think she was trying to make any sort of moral assertions or insult anyone.

 

I agree. I don't think either that Isabella intended to insult or judge anyone. I exchanged PMs with Isabella and she is very nice and clarified that her posts may have been misread. She only expressed her views regarding CL and she is entitled to have those views.