PK EXPERIENCE, X 3, Nikki, Brianna, Stella...

[xxxAxxx 21016]

Under the Canadian Criminal Code:

 

(1) The act of prostitution is legal, i.e. you CANNOT be arrested for being a prostitute

 

(2) The practice of independent outcall prostitution is fully protected by Federal law. Third party involvement in solicitation of business or profiting from it is a crime But enforcement varies widely since the attitude is to support individual rights as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.

 

(3) Advertising in public print is protected as a right of free speech which has been upheld by the Canadian Supreme Court. Advertising on television has not yet been tested but the issue is whether its in line with community standards.

 

(4) An independent outcall escort has the right to discuss specific acts of sex for money in private. Hotel rooms, telephones and private homes. The Canadian Supreme court has ruled that a land based telephone is a private communication. When one places a phone call, they have a reasonable expectation of privacy, and that is the test. The same is easily extended to cellular phone communication. One would have to have special equipment to intercept such communication.

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the above was quoted from : http://www.sexwork.com/montreal/law.html

 

i just wanted to point out to jessica, that making a profit from an escort , (if you are not the escort) is illegal. Wether you tell them what to do or not... ( see italics in (2) )

[mod 135640]

That law was made to protect the ladies from pimping. Sure they could make an example out of someone at any time if they wanted to by charging the agency under this act but I highly doubt any judge would sentence someone if they were not actually pimping the ladies. The law was written very open to appease the public and to protect the ladies and was intentionally written in this open way so that it could be used if needed to convict someone (when someone truly deserves to be convicted).

 

Properly run agencies and even the girls "Drivers" are technically living off the avails... then again anyone who accepts money for a service from a prostitute would be living off the avails if this law was taken literally.

 

Hmm, lets see... cerb sells advertising in the form of banners... who else performs services to the ladies and takes money for this... the newspapers, the online directories, yellow pages, the phone company, the hotel owners, etc... the list is very extensive.

 

If the agency sets up the business to work for the ladies as a receptionist or marketing company and is not pimping the women (Anything like: Telling them when they have to work, physically abusing or mentally abusing them, selling or forcing the use of drugs, generally controlling them) then really why would the law want to get involved? Exactly! They wouldn't as the ladies are being treated fair. If the ladies who work with the agency are being abused the law is here to protect the ladies.

 

The thing is the agency is providing a service (answering phones, placing ads, marketing, booking, security calls, end of session calls, arranging drivers, etc. etc. (All the things the escorts often hate to do) and the price or commission the agency received for this service is agreed on way before the escort ever takes a call and she can simply say sorry I am going to go work for someone else that takes a smaller commission.

 

In a properly run agency the girls are not forced to pay the agencies, if they wish to continue using the services of the agencies then they continue to pay the commissions per call (the agency does not collect the money from you and then pay the girl with it - you guys pay the ladies directly!). This would be a legal business transaction (same with placing an ad and paying the ad company or paying a phone answering service for taking you calls and forwarding them to you).

 

Now I am sure many agencies exist who push the legal lines here.. greed will do that to many people. The good news is I think we have more good agencies these days then bad ones (unlike we did before the time of the internet).

 

What we do have a problem with in Canada is the illegal forced sex rings that are being found all over the country where the girls are promised good money, accommodations, etc... then come to the country and are treated as sexual slaves. A number of these rings (mostly Asian from what I have read) are being busted and the conditions the women are subject to is painful to read about. This is the reason for this law and any person who would do this to another human being should be punished by the full extent of this law!

 

Please correct me if anyone knows otherwise (This is just from what I have been told, read about and researched on my own) but from my understanding any charge in Canada under section 212 for living off the avails has only ever been made a conviction with one of the prostitutes or witness taking a stand and giving a testimony of either witnessing or being subject to drugs, forced to perform sexual acts, slavery or control and/or physical abuse. I am not aware of any agency owner or operator who has been convicted without the courts proving that some act of harm took place.

 

If anyone can prove this statement to be false I would encourage you to post some links and references here as I have tried to dig up details of such a case if one exists with no luck.

 

My disclaimer: I always say I am not qualified to give legal advise by any means so this is just my opinions and should not be considered accurate or correct in any way.

[xxxAxxx 21016]

i agree 100%, the same goes for incall servcies, 100% illegal (like an agency) but LE won't get involved unless there is a reason, GENERALLY SPEAKING....But SPs and clients alike should know what they are getting into....and agecnies too (3rd party)

[d*mm*y 887]

That's what I am trying to say, it is silly for everyone to pretend that a large part of our hobby is legal, although tolerated. It's like speeding it's only illegal if you get caught, so everyone needs to be careful it's our own asses that we are protecting lets not get all noble about it. As for value it is in the eyes of the spender, if it is not working for you move on, don't blame others for your inability to get your imagination around it. These are fantasies that we are buying and the dates need to be helped with the screen play or it won't work. If you need a porn star they are available however you will need to travel to them and it is usually around $1200 for an hour. If you want to spend $150-200 something is going to have to give and your imagination will need to help make up the difference. PK you guys have your hands full with marketing and answering the phone, I wish you would stop responding to cheep comments and get the pics of the girls and the web site and the roster up, this would help me, also there is a bit of a tendency to oversell, then the girls are left in a position to under deliver and it doesn't help anyone.

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i agree 100%, the same goes for incall servcies, 100% illegal (like an agency) but LE won't get involved unless there is a reason, GENERALLY SPEAKING....But SPs and clients alike should know what they are getting into....and agecnies too (3rd party)

 

In-calls are usually busted because of public disturbances and public complaints (from neighbors). Occasionally in some towns/cities the LE is pressured into doing sweeps of in-call location busts where they pass out a lot of charges but this varies from city to city.

 

PK you guys have your hands full with marketing and answering the phone, I wish you would stop responding to cheep comments and get the pics of the girls and the web site and the roster up, this would help me

 

I think PK has every right to come and respond to threads that involve them. I know I would defend my companies reputation if I felt someone was threatening it. I may take a slightly different approach myself but still I feel they have the right to come on here and publicly respond when someone is making a statement.

 

As for the other part. My suggestions would be that since they are so busy it would be a good idea to hire someone as a webmaster and handle the website and ad placements to make sure everything is up-to-date online. They are quickly finding out how important it is to everyone to have photos right away and ad details online as soon as possible. You all keep pressuring them to stay on top of this and it is getting much better.

 

also there is a bit of a tendency to oversell, then the girls are left in a position to under deliver and it doesn't help anyone.

 

This is the agencies responsibility. They market the ladies. They interview the ladies to see if they want to represent them and to agree on price and such. Then the agencies market the ladies to you (the customer).

 

Of course they are going to over sell them! They would not be doing a good job marketing if they did not! Come on people, it's not that hard to figure out!! Some of you take this personally but it's business. Do you think the people that sold the pet rock thought they had a great product? No... it was just good marketing! Luckily for you PK seams to choose many good ladies to represent and that makes them look great and if they continue to weed out the bad ones based on your feedback then everyone will continue to use them and the reputation will only get better as time goes on.

[PKjessica (PK is now PKJas 103]

All this feedback is really awesome! thanks.

We do have someone doing the new website for us...should be up soon. Yes, we should be updating pics more frequently and yes we are continually weeding out the bad girls.

Soemthing to think about...PK is not our only business so we are balancing many things daily but honeslty we take all your feedback and comments and complaints and use them to make positive changes here!

So bear with us!

[Guest HotStuffHeidi]

Hi,

 

I dont know anything about Pink Kitty to be honest with you.

 

I just go abouts my own bussiness.

 

I am independant because I had a really nasty experience with a former agency that I used to be with and I just work much better on my own.

 

I am the epitamy of "independant" thats why I am.

 

I really appreciate your compliment towards me though honestly. This is extremely kind of you. The more support you get told, the more you strive to succeed.

 

Thank you so much.:)

[Guest BONEHER]

my experiance with pk i would have to say its a hit or a miss. but its all part of the game i guess. the only real issue was dirty hotel rooms, but girls will be girls

[loneskater 25635]

my experiance with pk i would have to say its a hit or a miss. but its all part of the game i guess. the only real issue was dirty hotel rooms, but girls will be girls

 

Are you trying to say girls are dirty??? I have done business with PK and IND many time sand have no complaints about cleanliness. And the service was great in 99% of my rendez-vous.