GoddessHRC 8411 Report post Posted January 2, 2016 Happy New Year folks! :) So yesterday I posted in the shoutbox with a clever caption about starting the New Year with a b.a.n.g. A witty, appropriate figure of speech. But because some people are idiots, we have autofilter. Now my shoutbox awesomeness looks like I said start new years with a f***. I would never write such filth. The problem with autofilter is that it takes away the chance to educate people on the etiquette of escorting, and limits those who are above that behavior. If we didn't have autofilter, we could teach people that it's not okay to say things that could get us arrested. We could report and ban people who repetitively violate this. Most importantly, we wouldn't wind up with posts that look like you said something much worse than it was originally intended. Witticisms are okay. Any lawyer can destroy a case over cleverly written lurid humor. Sorry CERB, it's time to evolve. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest discr33t Report post Posted January 2, 2016 Interesting the auto filter also affects pms, which can lead to other difficulties when communicating Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mod 135640 Report post Posted January 3, 2016 unfortunately some people need to also be educated on the laws and post all sorts of things here that thanks to the last government are illegal so the censors (as annoying as they are for all of us including me) were a necessity (at least for the last year as we educated people about the new laws and what they can and can not post)... yes lawyers can easily knock down all sorts of stuff BUT that costs money as lawyers are not free (at least good ones are not)... so we will evolve (council has actually been discussing censors for a few months now) and we are taking it slow. Now if you wish to fully remove the censors here PM me, I am sure we could work out a deal where you pay the retainer fee to a lawyer and we could probably get rid of them off the site all together? 30-50grand should do it. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest *Ste***cque** Report post Posted January 3, 2016 I agree. The word filters feed the hysteria over bill c-36 and reinforce people's decisions to no longer post or in some cases, even leave this forum. I've noticed a drop in participation on here since this bill was passed and the filters activated. Was part of the reason the filtering? Maybe, maybe not but the newly elected government, while they may not repeal the bill soon, don't seem too concerned with enforcement of it. I'm not looking to force the mods hand here. Just giving feedback. It's their decision how they choose to manage this issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ice4fun 78407 Report post Posted January 3, 2016 I don't think anyone is asking the site owners or the MOD to take any steps that would cause them to incur greater legal liability I think what is being expressed is a huge concern that as things now stand there has been a significant impact on this board in terms of both the level of contribution members are continuing to make and in fact fact actual retention of previously active members. I have spoken to a number of members who were previously very active who either no longer post or if they are ladies only post ads... well if this site wants to attract and retain male members it's crucially important that the ladies participate in the discussions and make connections with members. The dialogue with the censorship is certainly harder but not impossible but I think we have a real problem. Just my Opinion Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoddessHRC 8411 Report post Posted January 4, 2016 unfortunately some people need to also be educated on the laws and post all sorts of things here that thanks to the last government are illegal so the censors (as annoying as they are for all of us including me) were a necessity Allow me to redirect my final point, I apologize for blaming CERB itself. I understand it's a government mandate (I agree and take extreme issue with the failures of the new law) I was going to edit my main post to include my apology and realization, but can't figure it out. In regards to legality issues you currently deal with... Maybe a sitewide wikipedia style fundraiser could help with that. Minimal effort, who knows how much support? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meaghan McLeod 179664 Report post Posted January 5, 2016 Allow me to redirect my final point, I apologize for blaming CERB itself. I understand it's a government mandate (I agree and take extreme issue with the failures of the new law) I was going to edit my main post to include my apology and realization, but can't figure it out. In regards to legality issues you currently deal with... Maybe a sitewide wikipedia style fundraiser could help with that. Minimal effort, who knows how much support? I think if you bought the site, and took that chance personally, you might feel differently. The owners of this site want to ensure they have no legal issues to deal with until this law is amended, discarded or just plain taken to the Supreme Court. The owners are the ones who would have their necks on the lines. All fine and good to say "let's get a fundraiser going", but are you willing to risk going to jail? I'm not, and I'm sure others feel the same way. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drlove 37204 Report post Posted January 5, 2016 ...but the newly elected government, while they may not repeal the bill soon, don't seem too concerned with enforcement of it. Perhaps, but with all due respect, the government (Parliamentarians) make the laws - enforcement of those laws is left up to the discretion of the individual police forces across the country. So far, it seems that LE has taken a rather prudent approach by focusing only on sex trafficking, underage individuals etc. as they should. However, it only takes one overzealous police chief to change things. Granted, that's a worst case scenario but it could happen. It's only been a year and a month since Bill C-36 became law, so it's still early in the game, imho. That said, I hold out hope that in short order, the Liberals will do the right thing by creating new laws which respect the SCC's decision, while at the same time taking into account the safety, ideas and concerns of all the incredible ladies who choose to do sex work. I feel a bit disheartened that it has come to this... having to deal with censors, negative effects upon our community etc. all because of the closed mindedness of the very people who were elected to (ostensibly) govern with the best interests of all Canadians at heart. E.g.(The former Harper Conservatives). I'm just glad they're gone, and maybe, just maybe we can all get back to having fun without fear of reprisal and sanctions for something that comes naturally anyway. :icon_cool: Just my two cents worth for today... Additional Comments: I think if you bought the site, and took that chance personally, you might feel differently. The owners of this site want to ensure they have no legal issues to deal with until this law is amended, discarded or just plain taken to the Supreme Court. The owners are the ones who would have their necks on the lines. All fine and good to say "let's get a fundraiser going", but are you willing to risk going to jail? I'm not, and I'm sure others feel the same way. Just a thought... some other sites of our ilk have changed their domains to areas outside of Canada e.g. ( ending with .cc instead of .com or .ca) Is that something that may alleviate the problem? From what I understand, it creates a bit of a grey area since the information contained on the site would then technically be outside of Canadian jurisdiction... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roamingguy 300292 Report post Posted January 5, 2016 Just a thought... some other sites of our ilk have changed their domains to areas outside of Canada e.g. ( ending with .cc instead of .com or .ca) Is that something that may alleviate the problem? From what I understand, it creates a bit of a grey area since the information contained on the site would then technically be outside of Canadian jurisdiction... Just an FYI Lyla is already hosted outside of Canada....the server is in the USA RG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mod 135640 Report post Posted January 5, 2016 Correct, the site is hosting outside canada. Those other sites if run from canada are still at risk as the FUNDS when a payment is made if those funds come to Canada it means nothing where the site was hosted.... unless those funds stay in a offshore holding company or financial offshore account they are still screwed if transferred to Canada technically its proceeds of crime and worst of all if they are brought into canada in another way it could be tax fraud or money laundering charges they could be looking at. Hosting in another country helps protect you guys, not necessarily the site owner if they remain in Canada. Why? it is VERY VERY difficult for one countries law to subpoena a hosting company outside of the legal borders of that country to try to acquire server logs. In most cases those companies have no legal obligation to hand over that info. If it's for a murder case or something really big interpol (International police) would be used but for server logs for this sort of thing I can't imagine it would get much priority or any allowance! Now on the flip side say local police want your IP cause of something you posted, they can subpoena the owners of the site requesting specific info on that ONE member and the owners would be obligated to handing that over (if the owners lived in canada) and if they refused to hand those over they could be facing charges of obstruction. As far as I know the sites with the .cc and other domain names are still RUN in canada (May be harder to track down the owner as the .cc domain privacy may be protected better but tracing a payment made would be a fairly easy way to find the owner ... who claims the payment). I think it makes it more difficult to find and prosecute the owner but not impossible. P.S. domains ending in .ca fall completely under Canadian law (why we changed from cerb.ca to lyla.com) .com domains are USA jurisdiction. The Canadian courts could force a owner of a .ca domain name to shut down the site, they can not force you to shut down a .com site. The US government can do that but why would they for a issue on a site outside of legal boundaries of the US laws. What is done on here pertaining to Canada is not breaking any USA laws. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phaedrus 209521 Report post Posted January 5, 2016 I must admit, I hate the automated censor too... but the simple fact is that what Mod said about the cost of lawyers and the impact of a zealous LE person who's gone on a mission is true, and unanswerable. As for losing members - my feeling is that that was something that began before the laws changed, and has actually picked up again over the last few months. People come and go (and come back) in this industry all the time, and for all sorts of different reasons. The laws undoubtedly silenced some, but I think other issues - usually unique to each individual - have been more important. Hell, I don't post anything like as much as I used to... 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoddessHRC 8411 Report post Posted January 5, 2016 Okay, and I cannot state any more clearly.... I wasn't trying to attack the moderators. Im sorry that I quite obviously ruffled some feathers but I was opening a topic for discussion about an ongoing, industry-wide issue.. Offering a possible suggestion to the aforementioned retainer fee was just a thought. It was in no way meant as a demand. Seriously, I sincerely apologize, and dont worry, ill try to limit my debatist topics from this point forward. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest *Ste***cque** Report post Posted January 5, 2016 We're just posting opinions. Some opinions may differ from yours. No need to apologize. If we don't think alike or if we focus on one particular aspect of a post it's just meant as respectful discussion ...most times. :) Myself, I would like to agree with most people's opinions on here, but then we'd both be wrong. :) LOL All the best! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ice4fun 78407 Report post Posted January 5, 2016 As for losing members - my feeling is that that was something that began before the laws changed, and has actually picked up again over the last few months. People come and go (and come back) in this industry all the time, and for all sorts of different reasons. The laws undoubtedly silenced some, but I think other issues - usually unique to each individual - have been more important. Hell, I don't post anything like as much as I used to... I don't disagree with anything you have said but having an open discussion on what we as a community can do to attract and retain members can't be be bad thing. This is not a "pro MOD or anti MOD" discussion and it's not about encouraging the ownership of this site to stick their neck out ... I respect that they have to do what they consider right legally for themselves just like I would. This should be be group of interested people reflecting on how the Present legal environment is impacting the way this online community works and thinking of ways to overcome the current challenges and increase membership participation. If we encourage open dialogue on the topic and encourage people to keep it respectful then perhaps out of the dialogue might come some ideas that would be useful to the MOD and ownership. Just my Opinion 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
