Prepaid dances?

[Guest ***rd**n]

that's a tough one; I've never had this happen but it's a tough spot. unless I promised her dances and she waited I'd have a tough time agreeing to paying in this case. then again if it was agreed it was for "next time" then I suppose it's ok. no one like to be pushed though.

 

having said that, I've prepaid for dances before and sometimes it worked out, others it didn't. it's hard to be nice and do favors and have people take advantage but u have to understand the risk and accept it I suppose.

 

thanks for sharing your story!

[Blaize 1019]

That sounded rough. And I've had days like that where I pop in to a bar on a day and time when none of my "girlfriends" should be working, but then of course, they all are.

 

On the prepaid angle, well... honestly. You didn't promise her ahead of time and she made the choice to pass up opportunities. In a situation like that, I'd offer her a shot and a promise of "next time".

 

If by some twist of fate, I felt generous enough to hit the machine for her, why wait? You're already giving her money - you might as well have her give ya a dance for it.

 

They're at work, and like any other 'retail' business, just because you're in the store doesn't necessarily mean you're there to buy something. You can window shop. You're allowed.

 

 

 

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[redskin44 3588]

politest thing I can say is " grow a backbone ! "

 

you cannot be taken advantage of unless you allow it . I don't know what you believe is your relationship with this lady is but , it is obvious she doesn't feel the same mr. cashmachine .

 

there is a thread on this board about respect and politeness , well that goes both ways .

[Guest ***rd**n]

My relationship with her would be no different than anybody else's at the club. I'm only being over dramatic here for the sake of story telling. It's not like I'm at home crying over it. If I wanted to I could have being a jerk about it, wasn't necessary. Just caught me off guard that's all. You don't have to be polite about there redskin. Give it to me straight. I can take the tough love.

[Guest pagypie]

I think tough love is a little short sighted.

I've had "relationships" with dancers that became great friendships.

it's hard to draw the line sometimes...are u being nice....or are you being taken advantage of.

 

how long ago was this?

[Reddog01 30280]

Hey guardian;

 

I know it is not easy some times but after reading your experience let me share my approach to strip clubs. Go into the club with a plan and a cash limit in mind and stick to it. I try to set my own expectations by gathering intel on any ATFs that might be working (or not) that day. I only use cash and refuse to use the machine. Ok, I admit I have broken the rule but only a couple of times over the last few years.

 

I have a couple of dancers I see regularly. One ATF I pay a fixed rate for about an hour of time that sometimes is only 55 mins but many times 10-20 mins over the hour depending upon circumstances and whether or not someone else might be waiting.

 

The other dancer takes it for granted that I am committed to an established pattern/habit of 15 to 20 dances; which is the way more expensive way to go. She is young, and on one occasion after we shared many tequila shots she tried to take advantage of my amiable disposition to entice (almost bully) me to stay for more. This annoyed me as it dawned on me that she sees a large ��� stamped on my forehead. I got somewhat short/annoyed with her and she later apologized. We are still "friends" and I still pay lol.

 

It is easy to forget sometimes as we tend to get lost in the moment and fall prey to our own (maybe delusional) fantasies and forget that it is "work" for the women, and although this may sound crass, many dancers use what ever tactic or approach on you to win your interest/loyalty to maximize profit. I realize this is a generalization and some do not target us for maximum profit but try to establish a "friendship" and what comes naturally usually happens over the long term. As long as we remind ourselves of this fact and keep the reins on our discretional funds that we put aside for SPs/MAs/Dancers, it is all good.

 

If I have no intention of taking someone to the CR, or have other plans, I let them know within five minutes of conversation by either saying that "I am waiting for someone", "I have spent my quota for the evening", or "I am just enjoying a drink and I may look you up later". If an ATF (regular) is involved I tell her I don't have the time right now or I am tapped out tonight and I will likely see her the next time I am in the club.

 

Bottom line is, you are the consumer; you have control; it is your hard earned cash and you should make the choices to ensure your time is enjoyable, fun and respectful for all parties involved.

[r__d 12698]

This has always seemed to me to be the best way to approach things.

 

Agree strongly with Reddog01's take on this issue.

 

The pesky robo-editor is still at work on "circumstances" I see. Such a useful word, too. Guess I'll have to start using "situation".

 

 

 

I have a couple of dancers I see regularly. One ATF I pay a fixed rate for about an hour of time that sometimes is only 55 mins but many times 10-20 mins over the hour depending upon circumstances and whether or not someone else might be waiting.

 

[slacker 1290]

Yes, reddog hit the nail on the head. Perhaps I'm cynical as a result of being on the receiving end of some attempts to manipulate my money out of my wallet as opposed to actually earning it, but my reply would be, "Here is an IOU. When I get the dances, you get the money."

[LuxeMulvari 65764]

As a dancer I do offer prepaid sessions with my gents, I.E. Give me x amount I will stay in the champagne room with you for x time. This is because the club I started out dancing back in the day was a room for rent type deal. The guys had to rent their own champagne rooms , they were about the size of a living room with couches and they had one way glass, so you could see outside the room but people outside couldn't see in . The rooms were rented nightly (meaning the room was yours until the club closed at 4 am) and all your booze was included in the purchase.

 

Gents would come in and rent their rooms, you could either go up and say hi, or a bouncer would come find you and tell you so-and-so is waiting for you in room x.

 

I'd always charge them a flat rate, as it was easier to just to get a lump sum at the beginning and focus on the fun , much like escorting. Then we could drink and play and wouldnt have to worry about finding cash and credit cards when my gent is not in the proper state to search for such things. They liked it too because they weren't being charged by the song, and could relax and enjoy me. Im sure I lost a bit of $ doing this, but the time was much more enjoyable this way for both of us, and we didn't have to worry about keeping track of where we were dance wise. That being said, I'd never expect payment upfront for nothing and i certainly would never bully someone into giving it to me. There was the guy who handed me 200$ at the bar just being "the most beautiful woman I've ever seen", and when I asked him to go for dances, he winked , lifted his shot and with his New Jersey accent said " here's looking at you sweetheart" took the shot turned and left. I loved that club.

 

I still offer this service while dancing, guys seem genuinely surprised as in Ottawa this seems to be an unheard of practice.

 

As a client though, this is the only way I could see prepaying work, or if for example shes your regular lady, giving her a gift or saying "this is for next time". I have gents who do this, and they definitely get special treatment ( extra dances just slip in ;) and priority over others. They built a rep with me and I know they are looking out for me and my well-being therefore I make they are rewarded accordingly for their generosity.

 

This lady, unless she's a total scammer, will remember what you did and you are probably on her "golden list" now. She probably wanted to dance for YOU specifically (yes we have favourites) that's why she was waiting for you and turning away other guests. Not saying what she did is right, or necessarily wrong, just uncommon practice. Certain gents get offers that others don't, they just have prove they are in that league. She gave you that opportunity, and you obliged. See how it pans out, you might be genuinely surprised...

[2bigalow2 2938]

I believe if your in the champagne room even if your talking every dance is a charge, some dancers won't charge for talking. If your outside in the bar or regular table area you should not be charged . I have had some dancers sit down at my table , while waiting for the right girl for me. Some have a hard time taking not interested as an answer. I have had to tell some to go away and in a stern manner after being polite. If a girl would charge me for sitting in the common area I would never let that person near me again. And I would file a complaint with the management.

[mike9876 937]

First of all, is Ariel back at Barbs?

 

Secondly, Guardian, you may have just described how I'd spend my last night on earth. Great story - like an article in a Hustler mag... like once all the pictures are stuck together, you have this shriveled little book of fiction. Thanks for sharing!

 

Finally, I've been overcharged. I've been undercharged. I've passed out in the champagne room. I've had long, priceless conversations with some amazing women. I think it's a wash in the end, and if it's not, it's only money, and it's only enjoyable when you spend it.

[Kilt Boy 29353]

A bunch of the girls love to sit and chat with me when it isn't busy. We talk about the business and if they're near target for the evening. If I feel like it, I'll help out even if I'm over budget. It might make someone's night, even if I don't get to come back for another week.