Willing to bargain... Are you?

[Andee 220524]

 

Unbelievable!!!!! If you don't like it, get a job at Timmy's and pay taxes. Better yet, get an education and do something that will last.

 

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Unbelievable that you would say such a thing, even if you were upset with one person.

Don't assume you know all (or any) of us. I am another one has completed post-secondary education just so you know. I choose sex work over office work, most of the time because it pays better and gives me the flexibility I need.

 

As for the comments about negotiating rates, I believe that your comment was not intended to be malicious, but that is a very sensitive area to be commenting on. It's up to us to decide what our rates our, not the client's or someone's idea of what should constitute a sale (e.g. snow storm or squirrels with peanut butter).

 

I think Meg said it best, that you opened yourself up by putting it out there.

[TRman 536]

I aplogize for affending everyone. It is not what I do and it is not me by nature. I was actually trying to stick up for someone else.

 

MOD - please erase my posts in this thread.

 

Much appreciated.

[JoyfulC 132299]

I always say that we both come into this with certain expectations, and if those expectations can't be met, then we should both keep looking.

 

But I see what some here are saying about "specials" with respect to touring SPs. I just worry that some vicious little group of "consumer activists" would try to create a bad situation for some visiting SPs, purely for the purpose of getting her to reduce her rates. Not only would that hurt any SP on the wrong end of such a scam, but ultimately it would blow back on local hobbyists as the town gets a bad rep.

 

I see too, and agree with those saying that, in recent years, people have come to expect to have everything now, and to pay less. This is a harmful bill of goods that has been sold to us. Remember the ads about cutting out the middle man and paying less? Trouble is, we're all our neighbors' middlemen. Prices are great, but unemployment and underemployment is becoming a serious problem.

 

There have been instances when I've given someone a better rate, but at my discretion and not because they asked for one. I'm far more likely to give a temporary lower rate to a longstanding regular who finds himself in tough times than someone I don't know who asks for a better rate or offers me less. Just say no.

[MiaBella 10988]

Wow, this thread has really gone off to a bad place. I'm truly saddened by the fact that, along with a lot of the other unfortunate circumstances that ladies in this industry have to put up with, we also have to feel degraded every time a client asks for a discount.

The reason a lot of us DO post our prices is because we don't like gentlemen calling to ask for donations, then upon receiving the info, start to bargain because it is more than expected. I much prefer just being told "it's a bit too much for me at the moment, but I'll try and save up so I can see you another time". It's simple, painless, and respectful. You can call again, or not.

If you bargain with me once, I'll save the number and never even pick up the phone for you again.

 

It's a business, and as in every business, there are different levels of service. You get what you pay for. I bet there are lots of ladies that request a Lot more $ in exchange for their time.

Remember the Million Dollar Escort that was in the news a year ago for having an affair with an American Senator(or something like that, not sure)?

How much you wanna bet she never charged $250 an hour?

 

Point being, It's a business and we all have the right to use whatever service we choose. So pick wisely, and Don't Bargain!

 

Ladies, don't let things like that get to you! Keep your head up and know you are Amazing, Talented, Educated, and a Treasure to be with. If someone is too dumb to know it, it's their loss. You deserve better!;-)

[Nicolette Vaughn 294340]

Ladies, ladies you don't need to justify what type of education you have to some fool here who thinks you should have a special when there is a snowstorm or when you see a squirrel eating peanut butter. Who cares. We all know there are cheapskates out there who will do this. They are like annoying flies that we have to deal with. If they don't want to pay your rate, hang up.

 

And sure I can do an 80 bj but rest assured you will be out the door in 15 minutes or less and don't try to overstay your welcome or expect me to be a gfe. Ain't gonna happen. Those services are reserved for those who are willing to pay my rate. They will get the best experience. You will have gotten what you paid for and that's it. The cheapskates should learn that lesson and maybe then they will realize that it's more about the experience rather than just "getting off". Perhaps they will savour the moment of being booted out door while enjoy their coffee at the Tim Horton's with the money they just saved.

 

 

** Oh and just a side note to the person who told the ladies here to get an education... You said you were sorry for "affending" people here. The correct spelling is "Offending". Need I say more?

[mod 135639]

Erase your posts in this thread?? Brother you dug your grave here!

 

Well, I seemed to hit a nice hot spot. I am not devaluing any service nor do I really care. The simple fact is that supply and demand may change a price and that price need not be published so as to avoid criticsm from others.

 

As for the snow storm analogy, perhaps you are sitting in a hotel room paying the $2 bills or whatever and there is no clientelle. If you need money, you could post a special without a price so no one gets pissed off.

 

There are many great gals in this city that are worth every penny. There are others that aren't worth a penny.

 

As for SarahM - I don't like being called names and I have always been respectful. At the same time, I really don't need your 2 cents.

 

Unbelievable!!!!! If you don't like it, get a job at Timmy's and pay taxes. Better yet, get an education and do something that will last.

 

Additional Comments:

Note - I never said barter, nor did I say negotiate. The price should be firm upon arrival.

 

Other members are flagging your post so I have given you a warning on this already. Your not making many friends here posting like this and it is rude and just makes you look like a fool. Since so many people have commented I am not going to erase the comment or thread (we can leave it here so everyone can see how rude it was) but I would refrain from posting like this again, Think before you hit the submit button as this is a friendly site and rude posts and talk down to the ladies will not go over well here.

[Lowdark 5613]

I've had a sales position for the past few years and the one thing that shocked me when I started was people asking for deals, bargains and discounts right off the bat. Just last week someone tried to negotiate the price of one my most expensive products because it had been on sale several weeks earlier and it was Christmas (and she was quite rude about it from the start, which really didn't give me any incentive to cut her some slack). I had never even considered haggling for anything growing up but to a whole lot of people it's second nature.

 

Having said that though, haggling for an inanimate object is one thing, but for a woman's time and the privilege of her company? Classless and ignorant. It's boorish, Neanderthal behaviour and the idiots who do it should be ashamed of themselves. Problem is, as I believe Naomi stated, they simply don't care. If they see a problem with their behaviour it makes no difference to them. The only advice I can offer the ladies is that if they fail to see how worthy you are and "bargain" for you, realize how unimportant, trivial and worthless they are. They don't value you the way you should be valued so you shouldn't feel upset in the slightest showing them the door. These are the kind of guys who steal from Salvation Army Santas and kick puppies.

 

Of the women I have had the privilege of meeting and talking to from this community, they have been warm, intelligent, articulate and even passionate. They deserve respect and dignity and to be appreciated for the treasures they are. Anyone unable or too dumb to understand that isn't worth a second thought.

[cat 262460]

I am uneducated formally, I have no degrees and my high school diploma was handed to me on the sole condition that I did not return for grade 13. Unlike the other ladies who have pursued formal education, I chose to take a different path, to care for the people I loved that needed care, raise a family and try to survive. I could not do what I have done in my life on a Tim Hortons salary. I realize I am not everyones cup of tea and many can't afford my consideration; the key is that I know I am eliminating potential clients because of my rate and I do so for a reason. I set my rate knowing the level of service I provide is of a quality that a certain niche seek; I present myself to ensure they understand that I offer luxury. They are willing to pay for it because they already know that they get what they pay for whether it be a car or an experience. Negotiating with me will not get you in the door. Ever.

 

cat

[Grass_Hopper 18263]

I am uneducated formally(...)

 

cat

 

We were talking about school but your point is very important.

 

I had the chance of meeting you, unfortunetly did'nt talked much (I felt that we would have a personality conflict, honestly.), but from what I saw, your have beautiful mannors. This count for a lot, I think. Not loud, polite, entertaining... Those are also education...

 

Keep it up!

[Guest ***nsut***jr]

I think society has been like that since long before you or I, or any of the SP's on this board have been alive. And I don't mean just something that happened 1 or 2 generations ago, it's something that happened thousands of generations ago. I think bargaining has always been around.

 

However, something that has changed from 1 or 2 generations ago is that people complain about it publicly on the message boards, both clients and SP's. We used to keep this private at one time. It's resulted in people learning all of the wrong lessons. Clients learn that every last act is for sale given enough money, no need to learn to talk to a woman, no wonder they are more concerned with bargaining than getting to know. And SPs accommodate this by making all this available for sale, like a menu at a Chinese restaurant.

 

Bargaining has its place in society but this is not one of those places. That has been abundantly clear by the responses of the ladies. I don't think you can say every last act is for sale with every lady. At least not that I am aware of and I never even thought that one would ask beyond the posted prices and stated services.

I don't think that the SP's accommodate more than what they have is posted as their services. Maybe I am just naive.

I am an entrepreneur who sells goods and services in a competitive marketplace.

I am very good at what I do and I also know what I must charge to deliver the quality and service that my clients expect. When I give a price I take all the knowledge that I have accumulated and apply it to that price. If someone asks for a lower price I ask them what part of the job that they want to remove. Its that simple. It is never a good idea to start to devalue your goods and services at the request of a client.

 

My original post was speaking to the fact that too many people are trying to buy things that they are not entitled to afford. Witness the housing meltdown in the US. It's become a mentality IMO and it has spilled over to places where it has no place.

 

Instead of bargaining for a lower price maybe the guy should pay the asked for rate, bring a nice gift or tip and be respectful and polite.

If the weather is crappy be happy you get to spend some time inside with the hot lady you were fortunate enough to be able to see.

 

But then again what do I know. I barely finished high school.

 

J

[MiaBella 10988]

Bargaining has its place in society but this is not one of those places. That has been abundantly clear by the responses of the ladies. I don't think you can say every last act is for sale with every lady. At least not that I am aware of and I never even thought that one would ask beyond the posted prices and stated services.

I don't think that the SP's accommodate more than what they have is posted as their services.....

 

My original post was speaking to the fact that too many people are trying to buy things that they are not entitled to afford. Witness the housing meltdown in the US. It's become a mentality IMO and it has spilled over to places where it has no place.

 

Instead of bargaining for a lower price maybe the guy should pay the asked for rate, bring a nice gift or tip and be respectful and polite.

If the weather is crappy be happy you get to spend some time inside with the hot lady you were fortunate enough to be able to see.

 

But then again what do I know. I barely finished high school.

 

J

 

 

I didn't want to say anything, as the thread had already gotten very negative, but I totally agree with you and when I read whiteman's post it really ticked my off, way more than TRmans comments.

 

How can you possibly be part of this board for so long and have this So Wrong?

I am Not a Chinese Restuarant nor have I ever advertised myself that way!!! Just because I posts my prices to avoid people calling to ask my rates, does not mean anything and everything is up for grabs. No matter how much cash you offer me.

It's not like I put in ads "offer me more cash and you get more mileage"!

Pardon my french, but WTF?!?

 

Inform me Whiteman, but exactly what wrong lesson am I teaching? And please tell me how I or any other SP is encouraging bargaining on This Board?!?

 

And P.S. Even Chinese Restaurants can refuse to provide service, no matter how much you're willing to pay for your Chicken Balls.

[FineWineDiva 7343]

You forgot about the cost of advertising !!

Ohhh Waxing , condoms , toys , wardrobe , photos (guys want to see pictures )

the list goes on !!

 

 

 

So if I understand your logic:

27.74$ instead of 36.99$ for bus ticket (1 way only)

75.00$ instead of 100.00$ for hotel

60.00$ instead of 80.00$ for manicure-pedicure

15.00$ instead of 20.00$ for tanning

30.00$ instead of 40.00$ for food

And so on... A day spent in Ottawa costs me at least 200.00$.:shock:

 

I wonder how the pharmacy clerk would react if I tell him I give him only 75% of the price of condoms and lub just because some client told me to bargain my rates because of a snowstorm... Or prehaps, I should get my outfits at Value Village instead of Jacob?!?

[Nicolette Vaughn 294340]

You forgot about the cost of advertising !!

Ohhh Waxing , condoms , toys , wardrobe , photos (guys want to see pictures )

the list goes on !!

 

Oh yes and don't forget rent, lingere, hair, nails, shoes, cell phones, computers.....

 

This type of service we offer isn't a need, it is a want or you could say it's a luxury service. Be prepared to pay bigger bucks than you would than paying for some other type of service or good. Before you know it, some of these guys are going to want to pay $20.

[JoyfulC 132299]

Oh yes and don't forget rent, lingere, hair, nails, shoes, cell phones, computers.....

 

This type of service we offer isn't a need, it is a want or you could say it's a luxury service. Be prepared to pay bigger bucks than you would than paying for some other type of service or good. Before you know it, some of these guys are going to want to pay $20.

 

Absolutely right. When Spitzer was exposed for using the services of a very expensive prostitute, a friend of mine wrote to ask what the difference was between me and her --why could she charge a higher rate.

 

I tried to explain that it wasn't so much about her -- there are many comparable or better women at my level and less expensive -- but merely that she was charging that much, and so her "club" was that much more exclusive. I know prettier and ladies very well liked charging much less. Perhaps the difference is not so much in the quality of companion or the quality of service, but the strata or "club" one identifies with. Which is why I don't understand why someone who wants a sub-100$ rate would bother approaching women who advertise rates higher than that.

[roamingguy 300292]

I am uneducated formally, I have no degrees and my high school diploma was handed to me on the sole condition that I did not return for grade 13. Unlike the other ladies who have pursued formal education, I chose to take a different path, to care for the people I loved that needed care, raise a family and try to survive. I could not do what I have done in my life on a Tim Hortons salary. I realize I am not everyones cup of tea and many can't afford my consideration; the key is that I know I am eliminating potential clients because of my rate and I do so for a reason. I set my rate knowing the level of service I provide is of a quality that a certain niche seek; I present myself to ensure they understand that I offer luxury. They are willing to pay for it because they already know that they get what they pay for whether it be a car or an experience. Negotiating with me will not get you in the door. Ever.

 

cat

 

Cat

You may be uneducated formally, but there is alot to be said for the school of hard knocks. Yes, many moons ago, I got my degree...but I have learned lots more from life than I ever learned in school

And having been in discussion with you, you articulate your point of view very well and intelligiently. Even though we disagreed, I certainly saw, understood and appreciated your point of view.

As for negotiating, thats just rude and ignorant and plain not right...not something I would ever do

RG

[fortunateone 156618]

Oh yes and don't forget rent, lingere, hair, nails, shoes, cell phones, computers.....

 

This type of service we offer isn't a need, it is a want or you could say it's a luxury service. Be prepared to pay bigger bucks than you would than paying for some other type of service or good. Before you know it, some of these guys are going to want to pay $20.

 

 

That's my POV too. when it comes down to it, exactly how much lower do they expect to be paying? In some instances, it is for the sake of 20 bucks. I have said this a few time: If 20 bucks means that much to you, or is that hard to part with, keep it and the remainder and do something else with your time lol.

Or to the guy who claims they were hoping to find something for 50-60? Good luck with that :roll: cuz unless they plan to drive around and have someone hop into their car, 50 is not getting much in this biz.

 

THIS IS NOT AN ESSENTIAL SERVICE lol. This is a luxury, a treat and pleasure, not unlike going to a concert, game or special event. would you do any of those things 3 times a week, and therefore need a serious discount? Of course not, so why would anyone expect or ask for a discount because they want see sps 3 x a week, so they need the sp's rates to be lower than what she charges??

 

There is an sp out there at just about every price point, and with a variety of services, shapes, ages, etc. I find it hard to believe anyone has to barter and bargain with each and every one of us in order to find someone who will provide at a rate the bargain-seeker can afford. If the rate doesn't work for you, thank the sp and move on to the next advertisement. But if you want to see that particular sp, find the $$ she is asking for. She is not here to accomodate your budget; she is in business to provide her services at a rate that she already knows is appropriate for her.

 

Note about posting rates, I don't see any reason for an sp who has rates to post them with the services, etc, and not really sure why this site has a no rate policy? I am thinking maybe in recos, in the case where a rate might change or the client may misquote the correct rate leading to misunderstanding, but for the sp herself to post the info is that not permitted for some reason? On CL ads, it really is, altho yes you see it alot, but for an sp to not post in a CL ad just means she is paying attention lol, and she wants you to specifically contact her so she gives them to you directly. There shouldn't really be a big problem with this -- a lot of times, sps leave out info in order to steer a client into contacting her in the way she wants to be contacted as a form of prescreening.

 

went off on an unrelated tangent there lol

[etasman2000 15994]

Note about posting rates, I don't see any reason for an sp who has rates to post them with the services, etc, and not really sure why this site has a no rate policy?

 

It only applies to us hobbiest. SP are permitted to post their rates.

[Apex2006 1071]

To comment on the education, the first thing my first boss told after I graduated was the following;

"Now that you are done school, forget everything you learned, and I will teach you the real way of doing thing"

What I learned in school was a fart in a wind tunnel to what I learned after graduating.

Now, I believe the point of this thread was to let people know that bargaining is not appreciated.

Can we stop trying to piss people off and accepted that this is not a car lot and that the prices they are asking are not up for debate?

Apex

[whiteman 14028]

Inform me Whiteman, but exactly what wrong lesson am I teaching? And please tell me how I or any other SP is encouraging bargaining on This Board?!?

I'm not sure how you even took this to be a personal attack on you or your methods of advertising, since I don't even know you.

 

If as you say, you're posting your rates, and you stick to your rates, then you're doing it exactly right, the way I think it should be properly done. But there are other SPs, like ones that show up occasionally on CL ads who will negotiate over every last detail. And let's not forget, many guys start off with those SPs and have a mentality based around those experiences.

[Guest ***nsut***jr]

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If as you say' date=' you're posting your rates, and you stick to your rates, then you're doing it exactly right, the way I think it should be properly done. But there are other SPs, like ones that show up occasionally on CL ads who will negotiate over every last detail. And let's not forget, many guys start off with those SPs and have a mentality based around those experiences.[/quote]

 

I have never been on CL and usually keep what's posted here in a CERB context.

Maybe your original post was somewhat vague as far as context goes and maybe that made it come off wrong.

Without CERB I doubt I would even have an opinion on this.

Leave CL on CL

 

J

[fried_macaroni 100]

Having not experienced a good DFK/LFK session in years despite being married...I would imagine that the experience is worth a fortune, even though it's a paid fantasy.

 

If I was a hot SP, I would treat "bargainers" like telemarketers...just hang up fast. It's probably more complicated than that but on principal that's my stance.

[Grass_Hopper 18263]

I really don't like where this thread is going but there's a lot of ''none said'' that are going out.

 

Guys, what we are trying to tell you is that our rates are what they are... If you want to compare, you'll always get better or... Worst.

 

The only thing is, this is a luxuary service, as said before, and not a need. Anybody can get a free fuck, but you're going to get what you asked for (Talking about here, I don't really care about CL...).

 

If we tell you my rates are 200.00 extras available, this opens the door, 140.00 all inclusive, or when a lady takes the time to write that our rates are not negociable, this is the way it is...

 

Why argue about education or whatsoever? There's no point! It's her choice, and yours to call, but rates are what they are, not less...

[Guest S**a*Q]

Just some random thoughts on the subject...

 

I believe that people are entitled to sales, deals and the like... HOWEVER!

 

I think that term of "bargaining" itself cheapens the act of seeking a deal. You bargain at flea markets and you bargain at yard sales. I think of bargains as found in wholesale shops and dollaramas. You wouldn't bargain in a high end clothing store.

 

In those higher end instances, clients may be offered deals, or perhaps sales. This is where the business prepares for the coming downturn or is looking for a boost in sales or new customers and offers something extra or savings for the customers to shop them over the competition.

 

Customer retention however would be where the seller offers discounts for their regulars or something like a gift for being a loyal customer to them.

 

I'm not sure what I'm getting at with this...*(Just thinking of it in the retail sense I guess.) I do think that there are instances where clients may receive discounts, but in this industry it's the better customer or the more longstanding client that gets the better deals. There isn't a guarantee in this business that we'll ever see someone again.

 

So why risk offering a deal to a potential client that may or may not return?

[Guest G***f******]

You wouldn't bargain in a high end clothing store.

 

 

Actually, some people will. There are some people who see EVERYTHING as negotiable. They will try to bargain with their plumbers, electricians, their lawyers, I've even seem them do it in restaurants.

 

You can't take it personal when you run into people like that, not unless they get insulting when you tell them your rates are fixed.

[JoyfulC 132299]

Customer retention however would be where the seller offers discounts for their regulars or something like a gift for being a loyal customer to them.

 

Exactly! But too, retention is our incentive to consistently give our clients quality experiences: so they will want to come back again.

 

So why risk offering a deal to a potential client that may or may not return?

 

And the other side of this is, what happens if he does return? He will likely expect the same rate.

 

Some have pointed out that there may be conditions under which it might be preferable for an SP to accept a lower rate than to have no business at all -- and there's some truth to that. But if the customer wants to return, when conditions are more favourable, now what does she do? Does she give him the appointment and then kick herself when someone willing to pay her full rate asks to book that same slot? Does she cancel with the lower paying guy and take the better business? Does she tell the lower paying guy that she can't confirm for sure until ten minutes before the appointment, so she can be free to take someone willing to pay her full rate until the last minute?

 

And what if there's more than one guy like this who wants to repeat? Now she has two classes of clientele: preferred and second class. That would be a pain to manage, I'm sure.

 

And so really, what is our incentive to give someone who pays less the type of service that will ensure his return? Why not just take his money and put as little effort in as possible?

 

I recently went through a prolonged exchange of email with some fellow who figured I should give him a significantly lower rate (we're talking less than my half hour rate for several hours of my time, because he doesn't like to rush). He tried very hard to make me feel guilty, asking me to look inside myself and see if I wasn't just being selfish and greedy, that I couldn't reach out and do something for another human being. Nice try, but I don't feel at all guilty. Reason? Like everyone else here, SP and hobbyist alike, there are luxuries that I might enjoy having, but I either can't afford them or I couldn't justify paying that much for them. This isn't anyone else's fault, and I neither blame anyone else for the fact that I'm not having these things, nor do I feel that anyone owes it to me to give them to me for less.

 

There are few people in this world for whom money is truly no object. The rest of us have limits on our budgets, and we accept that. There's always the option to make more or spend less elsewhere to find the money.