The New Panties on policy in Ottawa - Do you agree?

[HUGS AND KISSES 2276]

There appears to be a new trend in Ottawa strip bars that some dancers come on stage sometimes after a long break and a long wait by patrons around the stage and they still keep their panties on after three songs. This is not for sure going to help with dying strip bar business as it can be sometimes frustrating and bores the audience enough that they leave. After all these bars are not topless bars but STRIP bars!!!!!. . Correct me if I am wrong but I do not believe the new laws as stupid as they are, they do not ban strip dancing on stage or watching nude dancers as long as there is no contact with patrons.

 

Pigale and Barbarellas appear to be mostly the bars that some dancers are allowed to keep the panties on while on stage for all three songs. I think Barefax and Playmates and Taboo still enforce the rule (I don't know about NuDen as I haven't been there for Years). Even in these bars quite a few wait until the last few seconds to partially take off the panties!!!!. When I asked a few dancers for the reason they told me they wish to keep the audience curious and one told me if they wish to see more they have to take us to the Champagne rooms!!.

 

To make the matter worse most dancers now even keep their panties on for the first song in the Champagne room as well and a few even to the end of second song so yeah if you wish to see more then you have to pay at least $60 for some dancers. The reason being that they wish to keep the patron curious so that they are kept for more songs. So it is the economics in most cases if not all and not a shyness factor or personal choice otherwise in latter case I would have had no objection.

 

I personally don't mind too much for the the first song panties on policy but those few who keep the panties on till the third song I boycott them for private dance no matter how much I may like them.

 

How do you feel about this new trend? My vote as my post shows goes for agreeing that panties should come off on stage in a strip club in the last song at the latest.

 

Thank you in advance for taking part in the poll and your vote.

[maleguy2015 513]

i was there with friends on friday and they along with me complained none took off their panties and already at least 2 of us have no interest in ever going back if that is now the policy....

 

if this continues it will kill off the strip club scene altogether.....it was a friday night and one of the slowest looking days i have ever been to so far

[HUGS AND KISSES 2276]

For a Friday night (at Pigales and Barbarellas) it is usually about half and half lately. I am surprised that all of the stage dancers didn't take off the panties. Maybe it is the new rules and you are not alone I would think many will stop going to these bars who are changing into a topless bar instead and likely resulting in losing even a lot more business and either cutting down more in opening hours or shutting down completely. In other words they will be shooting themselves in the foot if this is a new trend at Pigale or Barbarellas.

[WhereIRoam 21825]

I know I may get bashed my Club Lovers but the scene is slowly dying out. If you look back at just over the last 20 years, it has been on a decline. Yes, the panties rule would not be a good thing at all for the dancers industry, but I don't think they should come off at all. Let's face it, clubs are not the most sanitary places. I think a thong or g-string is still very nice to look at and leaves a little to the imagination. It is called a strip club but that doesn't mean you have to strip naked. Love camel-toe! Just my opinion.

[HUGS AND KISSES 2276]

At least we both agree it is not good for dancing industry.

 

Yes strip bars dying because day by day they are becoming more and more conservative and costly. First a ban on smoking and then the open Champagne rooms both of above imposed by the City and now the club themselves relaxing the rules on panties and shooting their own businesses. These days with internet and the $20 per 3 to 4 minutes private dance (for which sometimes you have to pay $40 to $60 to see it all) there are much more cost effective alternatives and better options only a phone call away and though myself I am not into masseuses or escorts but many strip bar patrons are or will be.

 

Strip dancing is going on for decades and never heard of sanitary issues (so why same sanitary reason does not apply in the Champagne rooms then as they all take it off there??) and as I mentioned if it was based on a dancers' choice rather than economic reasons I would have for sure respected and supported that.

[trout 1256]

So it makes sense for Taboo and the Fax to keep going as they do with their panties off policy and they will get the business.

[HUGS AND KISSES 2276]

Yes they will. I think at Playmates too they have panties off policy though in a few of cases dancers waited till the last second. Same at Barefax. Taboo is the only one where all dancers take off panties completely and early in the third song as it used to be before in all clubs.

 

So far as I expected over 80% of respondents have agreed that in the strip bars panties should come off on stage. That is quite an statistics that may likely send a clear message to these clubs, Barbs and Pigales in particular. I wished I had asked the question as how many would stop going to strip bars if all clubs relax the panties rule or impose a panties on rule in strip clubs.

[fastsam 339]

Leaving the panties on? What's next, charging for parking?

[maleguy2015 513]

if all i wanted to see was breasts i wouldnt go to a strip club i would go see burlesque

 

its like going to a restaurant and only being able to order drinks because nobody wants to cook

 

they will be shooting themselves in the foot with this policy as already mentioned....they need to find new ways to get people to go there but are doing the opposite....yes i see more women clients than i used to but for every new woman client that comes in there is 1-2 less performing women and 5-10 less male clients

[alphalink 268]

Absolutely agree - as you say, this business is fading fast, and there's no better way to alienate the few remaining patrons than to annoy with pretensions of modesty. Just cut to the chase and wear a burka then! After a few years of abstaining, I recently visited Taboo and Pigale, then Playmate (all decent at one time), and was appalled by the lacklustre and downright indifferent stage shows. The room adventures were equally lame. May have been the night, but it was depressing for an avid fan of this sort of thing. Will now be seeking a MA or SP that can slake my lust for voyeuristic fun and frolic. If anyone can recommend such a gal, I'd be most grateful!

[HUGS AND KISSES 2276]

Just to clarify it is not a rule that dancers keep their panties on but rather the old rule that dancers have to take panties off in the third song has been relaxed at some bars like Barbarellas and Pigale (and even Barefax where a few waited until last 3 seconds to bring down panties a bit) and some dancers take advantage of that and leave the stage after all three songs with their panties on and patrons wait for long to see someone on stage and become disappointed and some may leave and the bar remains empty and dead and dancers don't make money so they are all interconnected. and not good for anybody not the dancers, not the bar and certainly not the patrons. This may eventually lead to they all becoming topless bars only. Empty topless bars and closing down soon one by one.

[123nastyboy123 100]

Holy crap guys! Panties on panties off. I didn't think the subject would generate enough verbiage to make Hemingway smile! Maybe the dancer should come on completely naked to satisfy the clientele. But then it's just a gynecological show. Here's my 2 cents. Leave the panties, g string, thong whatever on a little mystery is always good!

[MeganDancer 3675]

I never heard of that rule of keeping the panties on

 

we have to take them off or it's a 20$ fine

[safety11 1327]

Far as I know, not a rule, not a policy...

 

I've known many dancers over the years and they've all skirted with this issue, some leave it till the last few seconds. Some do feel like keeping it mostly under wraps till you get in the back. I always figure how you sell your show is up to you; some girls do things onstage that make me want to see more; some catch my interest with a little convo... takes all kinds.

 

But yeah it used to be a hard line fine if you didn't take 'em off at all. If Megan says it still is, I believe her.

 

Bottom line, if you're at a club and seeing more than one girl leaving them on all the time, I'd say you're probably just seeing the management getting lazy.

[NotchJohnson 214123]

I can't say that much for the latest trend because I have not step foot in a strip club in over a year or more. What I can say is that back in my days when I was 18(actually I was in SC at age 16 but...) and until about 5 years ago the ladies that went up on stage took off there bra during the first dance and took off there panties near the end of the second dance and for the third dance they would come on stage with an evening dress or lingerie and slowly took it off around the middle of the dance and this was the way to do it. I always enjoyed seeing it that way. If it's going to change I might never go back to a SC again.

[Guest pagypie]

believe it's still the rule at bf

 

personally I don't care or notice really. rarely enjoy a stage show; it can be a preview and you can make some assumptions on personality and sensuality but the connection at the table matters most.

[Ftn40 824]

I enjoy seeing women naked and it's something I look forward to before I ask for a private dance. I've asked some dancers why they didn't and it was simply that they did not feel like getting completely nude when the place is slow, when there's only a few people with no clapping or cheering, when the crowd doesn't seem to be into it.

 

While I am somewhat disappointed when it doesn't happen, I would rather dancers do what they are comfortable with then having to do something just because it's a rule. It seems that some places already have enough rules for them to follow.

[cgnex 1616]

I guess I'm in the minority on this one. I could not care less if a dancer removes her panties on stage.

 

A free vaginal inspection is the least important factor to me when looking for a CR partner.

[safety11 1327]

I agree with the previous post. Matter of fact, many a time have I been MORE intrigued by a woman because she left a little something back for a private consultation.

[HUGS AND KISSES 2276]

I believe the poll will close soon (If I remember correctly I set it for 5 days after the opening of the thread), so it may be your last chance to vote but many participated in the poll and the result so far over 40 members voted (likely ends this way too) the number of voters who agree panties should come off on stage in a strip bar is more than 5 times higher than those who think panties doesn't have to come off (28 to 5 to be exact) and for 8 people it didn't matter either way. in other words close to 70% of voters (likely patrons) believe panties should come off on stage in a strip bar and few have commented they will stop going to strip bars if panties on becomes a common policy. Likely the number of strip bar patrons will be reduced to one-third of the historic low numbers that it is now (in other words likely closure of most if not all strip bars),

 

Thank you for your participation.

 

H & K

[MeganDancer 3675]

its infuriating how a few "Lazy dancers" can ruin it for the good ones!

[cgnex 1616]

I'd surmise that nobody is highly against a dancer removing her panties, so a more accurate comparison would combine 'no' and 'don't care' results, which narrows the gap considerably.

 

The disturbing undertone of this thread is about a 'policy' that 'forces - This subject has a troubling undertone of male entitlement - and I say that as a man. If a dancer chooses to place limits on what she reveals on stage, I fully support that. If I find her attractive, interesting and fun, I will fairly compensate her in the CR for the privilege of expanding upon mutually agreed boundaries.

 

Demanding 'rules' around 'required' panty removal is just creepy and disrespectful, in my opinion.

 

You don't own a dancer because you purchased an over priced beer. Dancers deserve to be treated with respect and are entitled to impose their own limits. If you don't like it, choose a different dancer for the CR. if you're not taking anyone to the CR, then what right do you have to complain? You aren't paying her.

 

Strip clubs attract a lot of people who do NOT contribute to the financial well being of the club, or the dancers. Guys who sit in the front row and nurse a beer with no intention of springing for the CR. These people have an over inflated sense of their worth to the club and dancers.

[HUGS AND KISSES 2276]

The twisting of the facts of what has been said in this thread into false allegations and lies in order to gain popularity with some dancers or a few members by pretending to be a defender of women's rights (at the expense of others) and linking the topic to women's rights of choice (or the false allegations suggesting that this thread is somehow forcing them into doing something against their will or demand rules on dancers) or anyone saying that they own a dancer (which nobody even remotely said that) or false allegations of male entitlement or resembling watching a nude dancer on stage same as vaginal inspection (GROSS and disrespectful) is what is unfortunate, disturbing and creepy.

 

Basically this thread carries a poll asking patrons whether they agree or disagree with a recent trend (not a rule or policy) that some dancers don't take off their panties on stage in a strip bar (or in the Champagne rooms for first or even second song to prolong private dance) . The original post also made it clear that if it was a lady's choice then i would have fully supported it but it is for economic reasons which a few examples were provided. I am now forced to provide more extensive real life examples:

 

Among those examples were cases when I asked several dancers on different occasions as why they didn't take off their panties on stage and they all told me they will in the Champagne room but wish to keep the audience curious. Another example is another dancer who told me straight that if patrons wish to see more then they have to pay for it in the Champagne room. Another example when I took a dancer who didn't take off her panties on stage to the Champagne room (At first I refused but later i took her when she told me she is not shy about taking off her panties) she offered me using my cell flashlight (which I instantly refused) if I pay more (double) after she took off her panties. I have NEVER come across a case when a dancer did not take off her panties and told me it was because it was her choice or out of shyness in which case I would have unconditionally supported her choice. If anyone has a true example when a dancer told him that it is her choice or that she is too shy or uncomfortable or does this against her will on stage or Champagne room then please share those example(s).

 

Another logic I used was the fact that some dancers leave panties on in the Champagne rooms for the first or even second song and take it off later in private dance if the patron decides to keep her long enough. So they are only shy or uncomfortable for the first and second song??

 

It has been a choice to work in a strip bar same as a taxi driver choosing to drive a taxi (even though he may hate driving in the city) or a software engineer may hate to use computers or a construction worker to have to work in the cold and heat on the site. These are all choices but most of us will have to do as part of the job descriptions. In spite of that I repeat in bold letters that i (and likely all those who voted yes they agree) fully respect women's choice (if that was what it was) and it comes first and foremostt as we ALL support a women's right to choose so please stop twisting and manipulating what has been said and voted on in order to score points at the expense of making a majority look bad.

[cgnex 1616]

Hunh? I think you need to go back and read your own posts. You not only specified policies, you clarified the type of policy.

 

Popularity?! I almost never post and I posted against a clear majority. I couldn't care less about popularity, just found this thread particularly misguided and decided to speak up.

 

You're pretty terrible at analogies and I think you missed some very clear and basic points.

 

I'm sorry if my response upset you, but I think you need to give it all a little more thought.

[HUGS AND KISSES 2276]

You need to read the posts carefully before commenting. Nobody is claiming male entitlement or forcing a dancer or demand rules or claims that he owns dancers as YOU claimed in your posts that we had. These are character assassination of myself and the majority who commented or voted to agree. I did also clarified it is a trend (after realizing that I mistakenly called it a policy in my first post title but I was unable to edit the title) but you likely purposely decided to ignore my clarification.

 

There appears to be a new trend in Ottawa strip bars that some dancers come on stage sometimes after a long break and a long wait by patrons around the stage and they still keep their panties on after three songs.

 

it is the economics in most cases if not all and not a shyness factor or personal choice otherwise in latter case I would have had no objection.

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as I mentioned if it was based on a dancers' choice rather than economic reasons I would have for sure respected and supported that.

 

Just to clarify it is not a rule that dancers keep their panties on but rather the old rule that dancers have to take panties off in the third song has been relaxed at some bars.

 

It is regrettable that an interesting thread on a very positive board and interesting poll results meant to gauge opinions should be so blatantly sabotaged in such manner by twisting the facts about what has been said and false allegations by someone who has admitted he almost never posts or cares about sharing his experiences on this board!!!!!!.