STD risks with area SP's

[archer_kempt 258]

How high is the risk of STD's in area SP's? (ottawa)

 

Assuming you follow safer sex practices.....

 

If your a customer have you ever had an incident where you caught something...

 

if your an SP do you have yourself regularly tested...aside form someone dealing with an issue such as addition, i would think most SP's would be concerned about her own health and make every effort to be clean and safe

 

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[Capital Hunter 18263]

You posed a very good question which I am constantly concerned too. From what I have read some STDs can be transmitted simply by skin to skin contact. I am very interested to hear responses from board members and look forward to that. I hope that we get as many responses to this thread as possible especially from long time hobbiests (I am new). Thanks ak for the good question.

[d*mm*y 887]

I have been active for 20 years, and STD free for 20 years. Have myself checked about twice a year. For the first 10 years I used street girls! Always used protection for FS, unless I was very familar with the SP

[Tracey 258]

When I was working I got checked out every 3 months it made me feel better my doctor thought I was nuts.

Kisses Tracey...

[xxxAxxx 21016]

I think it's important for SPs as well as hobbiests to get tested regularly.

There is a clinic downtown that is anonymous/private if you don't feel like explaining to your family doctor why you feel the need for frequent checks.

[Capital Hunter 18263]

I don't really see how testing for will benefit. How many of SPs or hobbiest will stop if they are tested positive? (my guess is not many). Besides there are so many different kinds of STDs, impossible to be tested for all. Please note I am referring to those STDs that can be transmitted by simple touching and kissing (not those that can be prevented by safe sex).

 

I guess the important thing I am hoping to get from this thread is that if none or few report catching STD, I will feel safe to continue the new hobby and if a large number report catching STDs, most likely I will give up this new hobby and go back to strip bars and dance bars. I am particularly eager to hear from long time hobbiests (thank you dummpy for the response). Please respond. Thanks

[saluki17 1144]

Not sure I know of any STDs transmitted simply by skin-on-skin contact. So if you shook hands with a SP and she had this disease, you'd get it? That would certainly not fit the definition of a sexually transmitted disease.

[Capital Hunter 18263]

I was referring to genital contact (the topic of discussion is STDs not common cold), even though hands (hand to genital) can not be completely rulled out (warts, herpes, etc.). If you are interested, please do a research on STDs (Google search) and you will see the concerns.

[xxxAxxx 21016]

I believe the proper term for the things you are tryin to describe are STIs (sexually transmitted INFECTIONS). there IS a difference.

I believe they consist of chlamydia, gonarrhea and syphilis. I also believe that yeast infections fall into this category.

STDs (sexually transmitted DISEASES) are things like herpes, HIV / AIDS , etc.

Anyone can EASILY find more information on any of these STD/STIs with google.

[d*mm*y 887]

When you go to the clinic, I think it is clearance street between Dalhousie and Cumberland, you can ask them about the incidence of STD's etc at this time in Ottawa, they will tell you what they are currently treating and seeing and were they are getting there cases from (ie university students, market area pick-up bars etc...). It is very good information and relevant, a google search is to abstract for my taste however it can be entertaining, particularly if you search pentecostal and baptist sites!

[Guest Stiletto Kyss]

Over a period of about 40 years or more, I have never contracted an STD/STI from any escort/sp which includes women not only from Ottawa, but from most major centres across Canada and some in the US. Additionally, I have had encounters with escorts/sps in London (UK), Acapulco (Mex), St. Maarten and the Dominican Republic. I have always been very cautious and have practised safer sex over the years. Perhaps I have been fortunate and perhaps I have been conservative in what I do and how I do it and what I specifically without question do not do.

 

s-k

[curious chloe 100]

I personally get tested every 2 to 3 months. I am vrey honest with my family doctor, always have been, and about what I do. There is such thing as doctor/patient confidentiality. SP's however, assuming they use safe practices, are less likely to be "dirty". Most woman are overly concerned about appearances, health, etc. Because SP's are so active, they will generally be aware and conscience of this and probably get tested more often than anyone else. If an SP is willing to do unsafe practices with you, whether it's the first time you meet or the 10th, chances are they use unsafe practices with others. This is something everyone should recognize, and I personally don't recommend doing anything without gloves, and if you do then you obviously know just what kind of risk you are taking. If an SP offers no restrictions always, it has to make you wonder if maybe they know there's something wrong and it just doesn't matter. You can only catch a STD once, STI's are cureable, STD's are treatable....

Use your better judgement, be safe, and you should be fine.

Taylor

[Joyful_Jillian 102]

Knowledge is power. Don't stick your head in the sand - ask questions and know the difference between an STD and an STI - that's a great beginning.

 

Dummpy's advice is spot on - ask questions relevant to your local area, from those with the most reliable, not to mention confidentially collected information. They WILL give you the straight facts. It's their job.

 

The folks who work on the frontlines in the anonymous walk-in testing sites are pros. Frankly, my experience is that family doctors just aren't that plugged into the front lines when it comes to delivering factual information about your local area. They don't communicate with one another for one thing. I wouldn't necessarily go to my family doctor for information on STDs or STIs.

 

Going to a clinic is safe and anonymous. Folks (like me) campaigned hard for anonymous testing sites back in the 80s when the worst of them (AIDS) arrived on the scene. I wasn't working in the industry at that time, but I did have a number of gay friends who succumbed to it. It was no longer enough to reach into my pocket and make a donation when someone died, so I got busy as an activist with the AIDS Coalition.

 

We're lucky in this country when it comes to protection of privacy and access to information too. Not like Cuba, where if you're discovered to have AIDS (and other less complicated STDs) you're shipped off to an island to spend the rest of your life like a leper.

 

STIs incidentally are very easily passed around - if guys all of a sudden find themselves with an STI, they shouldn't necessarily rush to blame it on their SP. It's too easy to blame us for every little pimple or blister (usually from fucking us too enthusiastically) on your dicks guys.

 

Yeast infections, for example, can be transmitted in the washing machine if a person washes their clothes together either with, or even AFTER someone with a yeast infection has done their laundry. Even bleaching clothes doesn't eliminate yeast. It's insidious. Candida infections are common in our society - we have poor diets rich in too much sugar and yeast. They're very hard to avoid. That's just one example. There are more.

 

Knowledge is power. Use it. :D

 

Jillian

[quadcore 100]

This thread is good timing for me because; I've noticed in the reviews and GFE discussions lately, some hobbyists seem to think that GFE means BBBJ and DFK. When I see these two in the same sentence my instinct is to stay away. Also, I hope that the SP's aren't feeling pressured into providing BBBJ because of what is posted on the boards.

 

Maybe I'm being paranoid but isn't BBBJ increasing the risk unnecessarily. Perhaps there are scientific stats somewhere that would shed some light on this but somehow I doubt it. All the social services sites list oral as a way to become infected for most STI/STDs.

 

If BBBJ does increase the risk then I don't think "friend" is the correct term to describe this service. If not, then all the better.

 

quad

[Joyful_Jillian 102]

Maybe I'm being paranoid but isn't BBBJ increasing the risk unnecessarily. Perhaps there are scientific stats somewhere that would shed some light on this but somehow I doubt it. All the social services sites list oral as a way to become infected for most STI/STDs.

 

If BBBJ does increase the risk then I don't think "friend" is the correct term to describe this service. If not, then all the better.

quad

 

Good question quad. I don't think you're being paranoid at all. Just trying to assess the risks sensibly and asking good questions.

 

What particular STD or STI are you concerned about that can be passed from one person to another via oral sex or kissing?

 

I'm also interested in knowing whether guys who see SPs are as concerned about STIs and STDs when they see "regular chicks". As professionals we take the time and care to get checked regularly and are careful about protecting our STD/STI status. Remaining clean and healthy is our stock in trade, so to speak.

 

Do you think regular chicks get tested as often as an SP does? What about herpes, which can "vacation" in a person's immune system and become active without many signs? Outside of the SP world, unsuspecting women get "flare-ups" and don't even notice. I'm more anxious about a guy who doesn't screen his "regular dates" or always make it a standard operating procedure to use condoms might pass something nasty along to ME rather than the other way around. I KNOW that I'm careful driver; it's often the other feller I'm worried about!

 

I agree that these days, no matter who you're having sex with, it is ALWAYS best to be safe - however, my antennae are on the lookout for double standards or faulty thinking around these sorts of thorny issues and I just wanted to probe a little more.

 

Feedback?

[quadcore 100]

Good question quad. I don't think you're being paranoid at all. Just trying to assess the risks sensibly and asking good questions.

 

What particular STD or STI are you concerned about that can be passed from one person to another via oral sex or kissing?

 

Thanks Jillian,

I guess it's DFK that worries me. I wonder if STIs can be picked up from BBBJ and then transmitted by kissing ? The social services agencies all seem to err on the side of caution, which is understandable, but this doesn't help us get a realistic feeling for the risks associated with BBBJ. I've also heard that saliva reduces the chance of infections getting transferred orally. Who knows what to believe.

 

Also, I hope that the SP's aren't feeling pressured into providing services they feel uncomfortable with because of what's posted on the boards.

 

quad

[Joyful_Jillian 102]

There's no good news quad - the only surefire way to eliminate all these risks is to stop having sex with humans and find yourself an extraordinary mechanical fuck-toy.

 

You might find the following link useful.

 

It is a workshop manual that was developed and aimed at streetwalkers and those involved in the sex industry on the west coast (US).

 

I've found it to be an excellent resource on the STD/STI issue. You can probably ignore all the sections where they tell streetwalkers how to be safe!

 

http://www.berkeleyneed.org/resources/tricksmanual.pdf

[loneskater 25635]

There's no good news quad - the only surefire way to eliminate all these risks is to stop having sex with humans and find yourself an extraordinary mechanical fuck-toy.

 

You might find the following link useful.

 

It is a workshop manual that was developed and aimed at streetwalkers and those involved in the sex industry on the west coast (US).

 

I've found it to be an excellent resource on the STD/STI issue. You can probably ignore all the sections where they tell streetwalkers how to be safe!

 

http://www.berkeleyneed.org/resources/tricksmanual.pdf

 

I thought you were going to post a link for the Fuck-toy

 

Seriously great answer as this subject keeps coming around in different treads. There is a reason why blood agencies don't want our blood. Those involve in this business, SPs and clients are at risk. Nobody seem to be sure of how much (%) If you want full proof the toys or the arms.

[Joyful_Jillian 102]

I thought you were going to post a link for the Fuck-toy

 

 

ROFL! Uh...so sorry to disappoint you. I don't actually have a link for one of those!

[Joyful_Jillian 102]

Okay, we're digressing - this is a serious topic.

 

Yes, you can catch STDs from kissing or an uncovered blow job. Herpes and oral clap can be transmitted through DFK and BBBJs.

 

You have no way of being certain you're not playing with someone who is a carrier, whether in or outside the SP community.

 

Many of the stories I've been reading about lately on an STD message board were from people who had been infected by their longterm partners, who themselves had no idea they had been exposed to HPV or herpes. The truly sad ones were those who had been virgins and became infected during their first sexual experience. Many more were stories of people who had been lied to by their girl/boyfriends or spouses about their status.

 

Short of wearing dental dams and using condoms for everything, there is virtually no way to eliminate risk these days. Sex is a minefield, no matter who you are looking at having it with.

[quadcore 100]

Thanks Jillian,

IMHO there are a few things SPs and Hobbyists can do to reduce the risk:

• shower thoroughly, both before and after (sorry ladies, I know this means dry skin so break out the body lotion and put it on my tab),
  
• use a good liquid lube, stay away from gel lubes that tend to dry and become sticky (parma plus has a generic brand that's much cheaper than KY),
  
• use discretion and be prepared to walk away,
  
• get tested regularly,
  
• Always use a condom (of course.)

quad

[Capital Hunter 18263]

I came across a good article from a health care provider which is related to the subject of this threat and I decided to share it with fellow members (I copied and pasted as is):

 

Risk for the person performing oral sex on a woman:

 

The STD risks could be herpes, syphilis and possibly hepatitis B. Even if a woman had chlamydia or gonorrhea it would be difficult to pass these infections to the throat of the person performing oral sex.

 

The risk from HIV is considered extremely low. STD’s such as herpes or syphilis could increase the risk of HIV.

 

 

DFK

 

This is considered a very low risk activity and we do not see many STD’s transmitted this way. The most common would be herpes. It could also be possible to pass syphilis this way if they were infected.

 

In regard to HIV risk, I have included a paragraph from the CDC in the states were they report that they have only documented one case that may be attributed.

 

“The risk of acquiring HIV during open-mouth kissing is believed to be very low. CDC has investigated only one case of HIV infection that may be attributed to contact with blood during open-mouth kissing.”

 

What can you do to reduce the risk?

 

It can be very difficult to work out an individual risk as there are so many factors that make up that risk.

 

What we do know is that there are certain activities that are higher risk than others. DFK and DATY are lower risk activities for HIV transmission. You can also further reduce this risk by using a barrier such as a dental dam, cut a flavored condom on one side or use glad wrap.

 

It is recommended is to get regularly tested and the hepatitis B vaccine as the hepatitis B virus can be found in vaginal fluid and saliva.

 

 

 

Here is a link to a detailed article by the Public Health agency of Canada. It is titled “Oral sex and the risk of HIV transmission. Some of the info in the article may not be related but it does provide some information about BBBJ and DATY.

 

http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/epiu-aepi/epi_update_may_04/13_e.html

 

 

 

Here is another site of possible interest:

 

www.stdresource.com