Demand For Male Doms?

[Taffer 2280]

The lifestyle that escorts tend to live has always been very intriguing to me. Setting your own hours, travelling, meeting interesting new people, making good money for relatively less physical/mental effort compared to many other occupations. Unfortunately, it seems like the main client base of escorts tends to be men, whether they are female or male escorts.

 

Since I'm not a gay man, I'd have a lot of difficulty going down the gay for pay route, which seems to be the most profitable option for male escorts. So I got to thinking, what is it that women are looking for and would be willing to pay for. Then I realized the incredible success of literature like 50 shades. I'm kind of an amateur in the art of domination right now, but I think as I learn more and get into better shape, it might be something that I'll offer and see if there are any takers. Any tips/things to avoid?

[Kilt Boy 29353]

I wish you the very best. When I was working it was mostly slyly disguised 'massage' with pretty straightforward add-ons. Maybe it was a Maritime prudish attitude thing. Things never got out of hand or went further than my fairly low limits.

 

It was a lot of fun, though and quite profitable for the short time I was at it.

[Genevieve Marceau 68000]

making good money for relatively less physical/mental effort compared to many other occupations.

 

Then I realized the incredible success of literature like 50 shades. I'm kind of an amateur in the art of domination right now

 

 

Joining the business assuming that it is relatively less mental and/or physical work will get you extremely disappointed. This is NOT an easy profession.

 

As for 50 Shades of Grey, the BDSM community strongly disapprove that this story was ever affiliated to their practice given the abusive, boundary pushing behavior of the main protagonist. Therefore if I were you I would avoid comparing my services to this movie...

[Meg O'Ryan 266444]

I don't know....words escape me at this moment! Wow! Ya super easy job!

[Meaghan McLeod 179664]

So I got to thinking, what is it that women are looking for and would be willing to pay for.

 

Words escape me on the rest of your post. However, here are some options to consider:

 

Mechanic

Housekeeper

Snow plow/landscaper

Carpenter

Painter

 

I'm sure there are other things, but this is the only thing I would pay for.

 

Other the gay for pay, women can get it for free if they want. Sorry to be blunt, but to suggest this an easy occupation, you are seriously wrong.

[Taffer 2280]

Lol, sorry ladies, didn't mean to offend. I tried to be very specific with the wording, less work relative to the payoff, not less work in general. My last job was working 12 hours a day on a construction site slinging concrete and lumber by hand :p Before that I did 8 hours a day of min wage drudgery in retail. Perhaps it isn't less work for everyone, but it seems to be a lot more rewarding. Enlighten me, paint me a picture, dispel my ignorance?

 

I guess the way I am looking at it, is the time typically invested in and the enjoyment of it vs other occupations. A mechanic, carpenter, landscaper, they work hard all day long in a physical sense, some escorts probably do as well, but they don't necessarily need to. Someone working a trade is going to be bringing in significantly less money than an escort, so they need to work more hours to earn a living wage.

 

Low volume escorts with a semi permanent location or outcall only, can make a living wage a lot quicker. Of course there is a risk vs reward tradeoff though. Someone doing outcalls is putting themselves in more danger than an incall in a secure building, but I was also putting myself in more danger on the construction site than I was in retail. For me personally it would be less real work for a greater reward, but I'm sure that's not true for everyone.

[Meaghan McLeod 179664]

Lol, sorry ladies, didn't mean to offend. My last job was working 12 hours a day on a construction site slinging concrete and lumber by hand :p Before that I did 8 hours a day of min wage drudgery in retail. Perhaps it isn't less work for everyone, but it seems to be a lot more rewarding. Enlighten me, paint me a picture, dispel my ignorance?

 

Read this thread. It might help.

 

http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=133363

[Taffer 2280]

Other the gay for pay, women can get it for free if they want. Sorry to be blunt

 

Not at all, I think that is an interesting topic in and of itself. Why do you think it is that women don't seem to be nearly as inclined toward paying escorts? Men in general seem to be a lot more critical of women's appearance, so I would think that would leave a number of women who can't just easily get it for free if they want, and would be inclined to seek out an escort? Do you think women just have a lower drive for sex, or maybe there is something else going on there?

 

Additional Comments:

Read this thread. It might help.

 

http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=133363

 

All 18 pages? I appreciate any insight, but I'm a little short on time for a short novel :D Anything in particular in there that you could draw my attention to?

[Nicolette Vaughn 294340]

The difference between men and women is that we don't have a penis that dominates us! Lol.

 

Men in general are definitely critical of women's appearances so how would it feel to deal with someone in a session that you didn't feel attracted to?

 

There really isn't a market for male escorts because women can get it for free whenever they want. This is the reality. Women are built differently than men in all aspects especially when it comes to sex. They are not out looking to get a "release" for lack of better words.

 

I agree with the other ladies. This business isn't easy and although I have great clients and let some go along the way for whatever reason, it certainly isnt a cakewalk. Laundry is my second job along with housekeeper. When people think we just lay on our backs and make lots of money, it's laughable. There is so much that goes into just being a companion. And not just a companion where you just grab their money and treat the client like a product in a factory line and gone in 10 minutes. I'm taking about building a clientele that keeps returning and that can go on for years.

 

We also sacrifice a lot of things and deal with a lot of bullshit as well. That's why we get paid the big bucks. I enjoy what I do but just to point out, nothing is ever easy.

[Taffer 2280]

The difference between men and women is that we don't have a penis that dominates us! Lol.

 

Men in general are definitely critical of women's appearances so how would it feel to deal with someone in a session that you didn't feel attracted to?

 

There really isn't a market for male escorts because women can get it for free whenever they want. This is the reality. Women are built differently than men in all aspects especially when it comes to sex. They are not out looking to get a "release" for lack of better words.

 

I agree with the other ladies. This business isn't easy and although I have great clients and let some go along the way for whatever reason, it certainly isnt a cakewalk. Laundry is my second job along with housekeeper. When people think we just lay on our backs and make lots of money, it's laughable. There is so much that goes into just being a companion. And not just a companion where you just grab their money and treat the client like a product in a factory line and gone in 10 minutes. I'm taking about building a clientele that keeps returning and that can go on for years.

 

We also sacrifice a lot of things and deal with a lot of bullshit as well. That's why we get paid the big bucks. I enjoy what I do but just to point out, nothing is ever easy.

 

Yeah, I didn't say it was easy. There is a difference between "easier" and "less work relative to the payoff". Alright so you mention laundry and house keeping, let's separate those out for the sake of this discussion. Do you know of any house keepers or laundry workers that make more than $20 an hour?

 

If men in general are more critical of women's appearance, then surely there are plenty of women who can't just get it for free? I think you've hit the nail on the head regarding male sex drive. Many high class escorts go through a lot of effort to present themselves in the best way possible. A high class location, well designed website, impeccable/tedious grooming, interaction with potential clients online. For a lot of average guys though, much of this doesn't really make a huge impact on the quality of the service. When I'm in the mood for playtime, all that's really going through my mind most of the time is "do I find her attractive", "can I arrange things quickly/painlessly, or does she have a lengthy/tedious screening process requiring advanced booking" "does she have any reviews", "do her photos check out as legit" and "is she offering a good value for her services".

 

The finer details like how fancy her webpage is, or how fancy her location is, how intelligent/sophisticated she is, or even how much time went into to her grooming beyond the minimal effort, doesn't often cross my mind, because it doesn't really add much to the experience for me personally. So yes I have no doubt that many of you put in a lot of effort (though I'd still take it over hard physical labor or min wage service jobs any day), but there are also plenty of women on backpage who put in the minimal possible effort, and are making more money per hour than I could ever hope to make without very specialized education.

 

So I stand behind my words, this occupation can be extremely rewarding for the level of effort expended, and not everyone has to go great lengths to be successful at it. I know of a provider who is incredibly popular/successful in my area even though the effort she puts into it, pales in comparison to some of the "high class" providers. I don't think there is any getting around the fact that the big bucks are paid because men have an incredibly high desire/drive for your...ahem..."time" :p A few additional bucks might be paid by those men who have an appreciation for the finer minute details.

[Malika Fantasy 144625]

There is two males Dom in Toronto that I know of personaly.

90% of their business is male.

 

Maxime Durocher http://www.maximedurocher.com/

Is the only male escort that I know of that work exclusively with women, it took him years to built his reputation

[Taffer 2280]

There is two males Dom in Toronto that I know of personaly.

90% of their business is male.

 

Maxime Durocher http://www.maximedurocher.com/

Is the only male escort that I know of that work exclusively with women, it took him years to built his reputation

 

Thanks, oh well, it was a fun discussion in any case :)

[Katherine of Halifax 113932]

Until you actually entertain as any sort of companion please don't make assumptions .

 

I love what I do , I have entertained for over 10 years. I have also held other positions from labour to management . Let me assure you I put a lot more effort into this than any position I have ever held .

 

I live the same sort of ordinary life as most . I have (echo ) , never ending laundry and cleaning . My home is cleaner than most high end hotels and my linens are line dried and ironed . When you walk in, you step into perfection, all this takes a lot of time .

 

Morning starts for me around 5 AM , by 8:00 everything is ready for the day . Then the phone is ringing , Twitter beeping and texts coming in . I travel a couple of times a month . I have to advertise , ( more calls and inquiries ) . Hotels and transportation needs to be arranged . People put in place to take care of my home .

 

There are family needs/emergencies that top everything . As professional companions we may make it look easy, it's far from that . I do everything in my power to make you the happiest man from arrival to the last good by .

 

Today I am in PEI, it's a fabulous day and I could be at the beach . I have bookings that I accepted last week . I wouldn't cancel , (call in sick ) as that would disappoint people . Most ladies would agree that our job is special, we work very hard in all areas and I don't believe anyone who understands would think it's easier for less work.

[Taffer 2280]

Until you actually entertain as any sort of companion please don't make assumptions .

 

I love what I do , I have entertained for over 10 years. I have also held other positions from labour to management . Let me assure you I put a lot more effort into this than any position I have ever held .

 

I live the same sort of ordinary life as most . I have (echo ) , never ending laundry and cleaning . My home is cleaner than most high end hotels and my linens are line dried and ironed . When you walk in, you step into perfection, all this takes a lot of time .

 

Morning starts for me around 5 AM , by 8:00 everything is ready for the day . Then the phone is ringing , Twitter beeping and texts coming in . I travel a couple of times a month . I have to advertise , ( more calls and inquiries ) . Hotels and transportation needs to be arranged . People put in place to take care of my home .

 

There are family needs/emergencies that top everything . As professional companions we may make it look easy, it's far from that . I do everything in my power to make you the happiest man from arrival to the last good by .

 

Today I am in PEI, it's a fabulous day and I could be at the beach . I have bookings that I accepted last week . I wouldn't cancel , (call in sick ) as that would disappoint people . Most ladies would agree that our job is special, we work very hard in all areas and I don't believe anyone who understands would think it's easier for less work.

 

Not doubting any of this, haven't made any unreasonable assumptions either.

I've stated that this occupation appears to be very rewarding for the amount of effort expended, and that it is very profitable even for those who don't put in as much effort as many of the ladies posting here. That's all I've said, it's right there in the op, and my response has been the same to everyone else who may have misinterpreted the op. I stand behind what I've said, and no one has yet provided evidence to change my perspective :)

 

It's funny that I've conceded throughout this entire thread that many of you do work very hard for the high payoff, and yet when I explain my background in a 12 hour day hard labor job, many of you are still trying to convince me that escorting is such a tough gig in comparison. One of you even suggested that women don't want male escorts, and that I should try plumbing, carpentry, mechanic, landscaping, all relatively low paying jobs for the work involved. I get it, you work hard (though some escorts certainly don't and still do alright), but can we at least be honest here? 3 hours of cleaning per day and some laundry is not even close to the same experience as 12 non stop hours on a construction site.

 

There are plenty of occupations that are more difficult on average, and as a male escort, I'd have it easier than many women, because I'm better able to defend myself physically in dangerous situations, and there are somewhat fewer expectations on me for grooming/appearance. Unfortunately the demand just doesn't seem to be there. So I'll say it once more and for the last time, go ahead, convince me that escorting is a hard life if you really feel the need. One of the members here has provided a lot of useful info on escorting, opening my eyes to some potential difficulties involved in the job, but they are also honest enough to concede that it is a highly rewarding gig for the amount of effort expended.

 

Hammering me with the same repeated "you don't understand how hard life is for us" line isn't going to change my mind, if you don't agree with the points I am making and my perception of life as an escort, then provide some info to change my mind. There is something to be said for the ability to appreciate what you have in life rather than trying to convince others that life sucks more for you. Sure construction is a tough gig, but it pays the bills, I live a better life than many other people, and I'm grateful for the opportunity and physical strength to do the job. Why not take a moment to just be ecstatic that so many men are willing to pay so much for your time, rather than focusing on the negative side of it?

[Nicolette Vaughn 294340]

I don't need to convince you of anything. Nor do I need to justify anything to you. Having been in business for years, I can tell you that there isn't a demand for male escorts. Now if you were to try your hand at massage, women enjoy that. Comparing a male escort's demand to a female escort's demand is like comparing apples and oranges. They are completely different. You are not going to have the same type of demand. No one is stopping you and you don't need anyone's approval. It's a niche market.

 

No one is focusing on the negative. The point I was trying to make was that we wear many hats just as other people in other jobs deal with as well. I have many great clients but remember that there is also a trade off as we put our health and safety at risk. Obviously I am still here because of the freedom this line of works gives me and I am my own boss. I also minimize my risk as much as I can. I have spent countless hours building and maintaining a clientele. Yes it is rewarding but building a clientele takes time, money and effort. I didn't start off that way.

 

Are you going to tell me just because I'm an escort that it's sooo easy because it really doesn't take a lot of effort? Our job doesn't end when the client leaves. Also remember the stigma attached to our job? You never took that into consideration or the way some men behave towards women disrespectfully or in a condescending way? But you know what? There are many more great guys out that I've met in comparison to those who secretly hate women and resent us. This is why I'm still here.

 

The tone of your post sounds resentful almost as if we are living this high life without having to put much effort in and that we are complaining about it. I consciously chose many years ago to get into this line of work and it has helped me in many ways and for that I am grateful so don't insinuate that I'm complaining which is very offensive. Until you walk in our shoes for a day, you have no idea. It's not your typical type of job and I don't mean that in a negative way. Best of luck to you.

[Taffer 2280]

I don't need to convince you of anything. Nor do I need to justify anything to you. Having been in business for years, I can tell you that there isn't a demand for male escorts. Now if you were to try your hand at massage, women enjoy that. Comparing a male escort's demand to a female escort's demand is like comparing apples and oranges. They are completely different. You are not going to have the same type of demand. No one is stopping you and you don't need anyone's approval. It's a niche market.

 

No one is focusing on the negative. The point I was trying to make was that we wear many hats just as other people in other jobs deal with as well. I have many great clients but remember that there is also a trade off as we put our health and safety at risk. Obviously I am still here because of the freedom this line of works gives me and I am my own boss. I also minimize my risk as much as I can. I have spent countless hours building and maintaining a clientele. Yes it is rewarding but building a clientele takes time, money and effort. I didn't start off that way.

 

Are you going to tell me just because I'm an escort that it's sooo easy because it really doesn't take a lot of effort? Our job doesn't end when the client leaves. Also remember the stigma attached to our job? You never took that into consideration or the way some men behave towards women disrespectfully or in a condescending way? But you know what? There are many more great guys out that I've met in comparison to those who secretly hate women and resent us. This is why I'm still here.

 

The tone of your post sounds resentful almost as if we are living this high life without having to put much effort in and that we are complaining about it. I consciously chose many years ago to get into this line of work and it has helped me in many ways and for that I am grateful so don't insinuate that I'm complaining which is very offensive. Until you walk in our shoes for a day, you have no idea. It's not your typical type of job and I don't mean that in a negative way. Best of luck to you.

 

I don't have the patience for this anymore. It's a service job, a very high paying service job. It pays higher than any other service job including many that require specialized training and dealing with a lot more crap than what you deal with. I dare you to walk up to a Nurse and tell them that you work just as hard and face just as much difficulty as them while you make twice their salary. There are plenty of ways to maximize profit while minimizing potential danger and the work you put in. If you want to run your business out of an apartment and do all the cleaning/laundry yourself, then have at it, but you could just as easily pay a cleaner for it, or run things out of a hotel. Most of us don't really care if the place is sparkling clean, as long as it doesn't look like a drug den, we are focused on the attractive woman and little else.

 

Of course I have some resentment for someone who has the gall to compare their high paying service job to other low wage service jobs, or backbreaking trade work. You have opportunities that I do not have, women in general have opportunities that men do not have. We don't ask all that much as men, just a little bit of acknowledgement of the fact that attractive women literally have us by the balls via our sex drive, and can get pretty much whatever they want out of us. Instead we have a thread full of very high earning service workers with entitled princess syndrome, getting all fired up when I state the obvious that your line of work is a better deal than a lot of other opportunities.

 

Any of the escorts I have met with have been reasonable people, but if I had to deal with many of you in this thread then I can understand why there is a lack of respect for people in your trade. The rampant theft doesn't help either, but I'll take the risk with budget women, to avoid the extra entitled "high class" escorts. Men can't just sell themselves to the highest bidder when they are in danger of ending up on the street, that's why the majority of the homeless are men, that's why the lifespan of men is shorter. I'm not going to engage in your entitled delusions, you have it pretty easy in life, accept it and move on, this isn't a who's the biggest victim contest. Most men don't care about much other than whether or not you have a nice body, that's where the big bucks are really coming from, deal with it.

 

Additional Comments:

Female client here, keep digging that hole..... Perhaps the incredibly popular/successful provider puts a whole lot more effort into it that she cares to share with a client. I suppose you may be referring to pedicures/manicures most women probably don't actually think those are a task, kinda fun to soak your feet in nice warm water while picking a new nail polish colour. ������

 

Additional Comments:

I hit post instead of review... My bottom line is that as clients we never really know all that is required for this job. So may be we should just enjoy the company and not make assumptions!

 

Some people are honesty/truth/logic averse, they'll just have to suck it up. I don't tiptoe around princesses for fear of triggering the waterworks, no safe spaces in this conversation. If she does put more effort in it certainly doesn't show, her incall hotel room is usually a mess, used towels all over the place, the sheets probably aren't that clean, barely any makeup, and yet she very affordable, open minded, and has more positive reviews than any other girl in the area, go figure. It's almost as though guys have one thing on their mind that overrides their giving a crap about minor details. As long as they are friendly, submissive (or really dominant when I'm in that kind of mood), and attractive, I don't really care if we do it in a 5 star hotel or behind the dumpster out back :p

[Nicolette Vaughn 294340]

I don't have the patience for this anymore. It's a service job, a very high paying service job. It pays higher than any other service job including many that require specialized training and dealing with a lot more crap than what you deal with. I dare you to walk up to a Nurse and tell them that you work just as hard and face just as much difficulty as them while you make twice their salary. There are plenty of ways to maximize profit while minimizing potential danger and the work you put in. If you want to run your business out of an apartment and do all the cleaning/laundry yourself, then have at it, but you could just as easily pay a cleaner for it, or run things out of a hotel. Most of us don't really care if the place is sparkling clean, as long as it doesn't look like a drug den, we are focused on the attractive woman and little else.

 

Of course I have some resentment for someone who has the gall to compare their high paying service job to other low wage service jobs, or backbreaking trade work. You have opportunities that I do not have, women in general have opportunities that men do not have. We don't ask all that much as men, just a little bit of acknowledgement of the fact that attractive women literally have us by the balls via our sex drive, and can get pretty much whatever they want out of us. Instead we have a thread full of very high earning service workers with entitled princess syndrome, getting all fired up when I state the obvious that your line of work is a better deal than a lot of other opportunities.

 

Any of the escorts I have met with have been reasonable people, but if I had to deal with many of you in this thread then I can understand why there is a lack of respect for people in your trade. The rampant theft doesn't help either, but I'll take the risk with budget women, to avoid the extra entitled "high class" escorts. Men can't just sell themselves to the highest bidder when they are in danger of ending up on the street, that's why the majority of the homeless are men, that's why the lifespan of men is shorter. I'm not going to engage in your entitled delusions, you have it pretty easy in life, accept it and move on, this isn't a who's the biggest victim contest. Most men don't care about much other than whether or not you have a nice body, that's where the big bucks are really coming from, deal with it.

 

Additional Comments:

 

 

Some people are honesty/truth/logic averse, they'll just have to suck it up. I don't tiptoe around princesses for fear of triggering the waterworks, no safe spaces in this conversation. If she does put more effort in it certainly doesn't show, her incall hotel room is usually a mess, used towels all over the place, the sheets probably aren't that clean, barely any makeup, and yet she has more positive reviews than any other girl in the area, go figure. It's almost as though guys have one thing on their mind that overrides their giving a crap about minor details. As long as they are friendly, submissive (or really dominant when I'm in that kind of mood), and attractive, I don't really care if we do it in a 5 star hotel or behind the dumpster out back :p

 

Resentful of women here, hating on women specifically service providers and misogyny all in your last post. Could you be any more blatant about it? You hate women who make more money than you. Cry me a river and get over it! You like submissive women and can't handle the fact that there are women who do have opinions and a voice especially in this business.

 

I feel sorry for you. ..personally your opinions don't matter to me. The fact that you have gone out of your way to put down members here speaks volumes. Dont be upset when you find yourself alone in threads that you decide to generate. No one will want to partake because you're not capable of having a civil discussion without having to resort to name calling, etc. Don't get so riled up about it. Life is too short for being hateful and envious. Peace out sweetheart.

 

Sincerely,

 

Princess J ( my alter ego)

[Taffer 2280]

Resentful of women here, hating on women specifically service providers and misogyny all in your last post. Could you be any more blatant about it? I feel sorry for you. ..personally your opinions don't matter to me. The fact that you have gone out of your way to put down members here speaks volumes. Dont be upset when you find yourself alone in threads that you decide to generate. No one will want to partake because you're not capable of having a civil discussion without having to resort to name calling, etc. Don't get so riled up about it. Life is too short for being hateful and envious. Peace out sweetheart.

 

Sincerely,

 

Princess J

 

Of course, anyone who disagrees with entitled princesses is a misogynist. The term misogynist might as well be a synonym for male at this point.

[emb3750 9398]

* ... sits back, makes popcorn ...waits for Taffer to self destruct.

[WhereIRoam 21825]

IMO, moral of this story:

Providers stick together, Punters... not so much.

[Taffer 2280]

* ... sits back, makes popcorn ...waits for Taffer to self destruct.

 

[cat 262460]

Taffer, you certainly have inspired a conversation and that's never a bad thing. The key to getting started is to listen to what the ladies here are saying because it is actually very good advice if you're serious. You may see their words as princess statements but every one of them offered you valuable insight into moving forward if you would just step outside your perspective for a moment.

 

I actually do believe there is a small demand for straight male providers, there is just no market. I have a couple of friends who would willing pay regularly for a truly extraordinary experience. They're single and tired of dating, tired of trying to find someone who rocks their world. But that experience would have to be so exquisite in itself because women know the difference and are not satisfied with an orgasm, they can do that for themselves and won't pay for it. Satisfying a woman is so much more than looking good, being friendly and dominant/submissive depending on her mood. They want connection, they want the details and they want the fireworks. Women are far more demanding consumers, just ask anyone who deals with $$$ type services for women. We pay but we want premium service for it.

 

 

I don't have the patience for this anymore. It's a service job, a very high paying service job. It pays higher than any other service job including many that require specialized training and dealing with a lot more crap than what you deal with.:p

 

If the handful of responses here try your patience then you're going to have to learn to have a little more because female clients would be all over the tone/voice of your communications. While providers are slightly more aware than our civilian sisters, don't think that we are in any way different in sensibilities. Your desired client demographic would pick up on this quickly once the communication commences. You can espouse Red Pill perceptions but your clients would run because they are the customer and wouldn't want to be intimate with someone who used the word princess in any way other than a genuine fairytale reference.

 

I dare you to walk up to a Nurse and tell them that you work just as hard and face just as much difficulty as them while you make twice their salary.:p

 

We don't make double their salary, we don't have union benefits nor do we have their employment/income stability. And most providers do work as hard as nurses do, especially the under 35 providers.

 

There are plenty of ways to maximize profit while minimizing potential danger and the work you put in. If you want to run your business out of an apartment and do all the cleaning/laundry yourself, then have at it, but you could just as easily pay a cleaner for it, or run things out of a hotel. Most of us don't really care if the place is sparkling clean, as long as it doesn't look like a drug den, we are focused on the attractive woman and little else.:p

 

This aspect of the industry will give you initial sticker shock, trust me. I understand that until you've actually lived the numbers of being a provider it's difficult to fathom but you will understand if you actually follow thru. This is an aspect that experience will correct.

 

Some people are honesty/truth/logic averse, they'll just have to suck it up. I don't tiptoe around princesses for fear of triggering the waterworks, no safe spaces in this conversation. If she does put more effort in it certainly doesn't show, her incall hotel room is usually a mess, used towels all over the place, the sheets probably aren't that clean, barely any makeup, and yet she very affordable, open minded, and has more positive reviews than any other girl in the area, go figure. It's almost as though guys have one thing on their mind that overrides their giving a crap about minor details. As long as they are friendly, submissive (or really dominant when I'm in that kind of mood), and attractive, I don't really care if we do it in a 5 star hotel or behind the dumpster out back :p

 

These words are a hole in the hull of the ship. Please understand, your targeted demographic will not understand the use of the word princess as a derogatory thing. You are comparing a male clients perspective to female client and it doesn't wash. Women do care about the details, the sheets had better be scented and ironed, the candles had better be scented with something she likes, beverages need to be something she wants, the hotel/incall location must be safe, your grooming must be immaculate, your talents honed and your conversation skills need to be impeccable. You need to understand the art of seduction from every viewpoint, intuit her energy voids and masterfully deliver the fantasy. You also need to be prepared to listen to women espouse vitriol towards men. Female providers constantly listen to what pieces of shit the wife/girlfriend/women in general are from clients. You will need to be prepared to listen empathetically and it needs to be genuine because if you're faking it, she'll figure it out. Separating your personal opinions from what your client needs is paramount.

 

The point I'm trying to make is that it isn't impossible nor is it improbable that women would pay for it. What I'm trying to say is that the amount of self awareness as it relates to the feminine energies would be a tremendous challenge for most men. Women paying for it don't do the "fast food" experience that men prefer. They want a 5 star experience and that is only learned trial and error. The same as men don't want a "wife experience", women don't want a "boyfriend experience"; they want "the fantasy lover" to show up at their door. Could you deliver this? I don't know, only you can assess that.

 

The us vs them gender aspect doesn't serve either side of this industry, providers know this and every time they end up in a room with someone that has resentment towards women; they smile, listen, empathize and then get to work but it's a long term challenge to manage that on a daily basis. A male provider would need to find his center on this as we do. This kind of negativity will kill you if you don't learn to handle it.

 

This is just my opinion, I'm not trolling you or in any way trying to put you down. Every provider on this thread contributed immensely valuable information if someone simply chooses to see it...

 

smiles, cat

[Taffer 2280]

Taffer, you certainly have inspired a conversation and that's never a bad thing. The key to getting started is to listen to what the ladies here are saying because it is actually very good advice if you're serious. You may see their words as princess statements but every one of them offered you valuable insight into moving forward if you would just step outside your perspective for a moment.

 

Advice and whining seem to be interchangeable for entitled princesses.

 

I actually do believe there is a small demand for straight male providers, there is just no market. I have a couple of friends who would willing pay regularly for a truly extraordinary experience. They're single and tired of dating, tired of trying to find someone who rocks their world. But that experience would have to be so exquisite in itself because women know the difference and are not satisfied with an orgasm, they can do that for themselves and won't pay for it. Satisfying a woman is so much more than looking good, being friendly and dominant/submissive depending on her mood. They want connection, they want the details and they want the fireworks. Women are far more demanding consumers, just ask anyone who deals with $$$ type services for women. We pay but we want premium service for it.

 

In other words, most women are just as entitled here as in any other aspect of their lives.

 

If the handful of responses here try your patience then you're going to have to learn to have a little more because female clients would be all over the tone/voice of your communications. While providers are slightly more aware than our civilian sisters, don't think that we are in any way different in sensibilities. Your desired client demographic would pick up on this quickly once the communication commences. You can espouse Red Pill perceptions but your clients would run because they are the customer and wouldn't want to be intimate with someone who used the word princess in any way other than a genuine fairytale reference.

 

I've rethought my career choice for now, but entitled princesses may be bearable when they are paying me heaps of cash...

 

 

We don't make double their salary, we don't have union benefits nor do we have their employment/income stability. And most providers do work as hard as nurses do, especially the under 35 providers.

 

There it is, really quite shameful. If you aren't making twice a nurses' measly salary then you are either doing something very wrong or you may not be overly attractive.

 

This aspect of the industry will give you initial sticker shock, trust me. I understand that until you've actually lived the numbers of being a provider it's difficult to fathom but you will understand if you actually follow thru. This is an aspect that experience will correct.

 

Of course, let's pretend I'm an idiot whom has never priced a hotel, so as we can also pretend that you have any sort of logical point here.

 

These words are a hole in the hull of the ship. Please understand, your targeted demographic will not understand the use of the word princess as a derogatory thing. You are comparing a male clients perspective to female client and it doesn't wash. Women do care about the details, the sheets had better be scented and ironed, the candles had better be scented with something she likes, beverages need to be something she wants, the hotel/incall location must be safe, your grooming must be immaculate, your talents honed and your conversation skills need to be impeccable. You need to understand the art of seduction from every viewpoint, intuit her energy voids and masterfully deliver the fantasy. You also need to be prepared to listen to women espouse vitriol towards men. Female providers constantly listen to what pieces of shit the wife/girlfriend/women in general are from clients. You will need to be prepared to listen empathetically and it needs to be genuine because if you're faking it, she'll figure it out. Separating your personal opinions from what your client needs is paramount.

 

I thought every woman wanted to be a princess? Can't go 10 minutes without hearing about the entitlements every princess deserves in a tv/youtube ad.

 

The point I'm trying to make is that it isn't impossible nor is it improbable that women would pay for it. What I'm trying to say is that the amount of self awareness as it relates to the feminine energies would be a tremendous challenge for most men. Women paying for it don't do the "fast food" experience that men prefer. They want a 5 star experience and that is only learned trial and error. The same as men don't want a "wife experience", women don't want a "boyfriend experience"; they want "the fantasy lover" to show up at their door. Could you deliver this? I don't know, only you can assess that.

 

In other words women "deserve" more, because vagina. Business as usual.

 

The us vs them gender aspect doesn't serve either side of this industry, providers know this and every time they end up in a room with someone that has resentment towards women; they smile, listen, empathize and then get to work but it's a long term challenge to manage that on a daily basis. A male provider would need to find his center on this as we do. This kind of negativity will kill you if you don't learn to handle it.

 

I don't resent all women, just the ones who don't smile, listen, and empathize when they are paid to do so ;)

I hear there are even a rare few who can do all of the above without compensation, I'll have to dig out my unicorn hunting kit :biggrin:

 

This is just my opinion, I'm not trolling you or in any way trying to put you down. Every provider on this thread contributed immensely valuable information if someone simply chooses to see it...

 

Seems the average woman would happily leave a pile of excrement on the ground and consider it to be very valuable information. Value is in the eye of the beholder princess ;)

[Guest st*****ens**ors]

I have always thought that the requirements of escorting in terms of the emotional and energy costs of intimacy, risk on a number of levels, social stigma, and lack of benefits really justifies high wages.

 

One of the other requirements is dealing with bullshit. No shows, stalkers, negotiators, people who test restrictions, the judgemental, the cruel and the vindictive - - providers encounter more than their share of these.

 

Many of the posts in this thread are excellent examples of the bullshit they put up with, and which justify every penny of what they choose to charge.

 

 

Edited to add: I just read the post previous to mine, posted as I was typing. This has moved from argument to abuse and should be cut off.

[emb3750 9398]

Crash and burns are always predictable... I just didn't expect it to happen so quickly. Thanks for proving me right , Taffer. Best of luck to you and the palm sisters.