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Lyla.com does not have ANY Info about escorts or massage in the USA and last time I checked Canada was not the USA so I doubt lyla is on the radar for the fbi/cia/etc.

 

Before the site was sold it was cerb.ca (Canadian Controlled domain name) that is the big reason it was switched back to lyla.com before the entire network was sold. The other reason is a NON canadian citizen can not own a .ca domain name and since it was sold to a foreign company the .ca would not work. The domain name is still registered and redirecting but it's only a matter of time before the cerb.ca domain stops working.

 

Sure the Canadian government could ask the us government to seize it for them... could you imagine how difficult that would be... and how many years it would take to get that request done?

 

.cc domain names are managed by Verisign through a subsidiary company but they are the property of Australia so again lots of red tape to mingle with that but I guess they could order verisign to do it so it would be possible but I suspect it would be much harder for them then .com .net and .org as those are registered as US owned

 

Apparently .ch domains are the best alternative.

https://www.register.ch/en/

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Lyla.com does not have ANY Info in the USA and last time I checked Canada was not the USA. Before the site was sold it was cerb.ca (Canadian Controlled domain name) that is why it was switched back to lyla.com before the entire network was sold. Sure the Canadian government could ask the us government to seize it for them... could you imagine how difficult that would be and how many years it would take to get that request done?

 

https://www.register.ch/en/

 

So you are saying that the article I previously posted from The Wired is wrong then? US has no jurisdiction at all over offshore websites, including the Canadian ones, with a .com extension? Lyla is bulletproof?

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No, I am saying without any USA info the site is not breaking any laws in the USA so the CIA/FBI/ETC will not be interested in this website at all. The CANADIAN law enforcement if they have any issue with it could ASK the USA to step in and shut it down but can you really see that happening? I cant .... especially since our rules clearly state here that we do not allow anyone to advertise sexual services and as long as we remove any offending ads or illegal discussions as they are flagged no one should have any issue with it. We take a proactive measure to ensure (1) no one underage sneaks on the site, our members are really good with us and letting us know if they suspect anything like that going on and (2) we do not allow unreputable agencies (like most of the asian B&S ones) to advertise here. We have an area for the ladies to help PROTECT them so this site does a lot of good for the industry as well and I am sure they know that if it was lost it would not stop anyone from working in the business it would just push them to other websites or possibly the streets and the smart canadian law enforcement knows this very well.

 

If we had ads for US ladies or info for the US market then the US would take notice. I did bring your info to the attention of the current site owners and they are already working on alternative domain names so they are fully aware of the potential hijack possibilities with the .com and other domain names.

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I'm in the states right now, and I used Chrome to get to leolist.cc and I hit a wall. Message says I cannot access it from the country I'm in. terb.cc works and obviously, lyla.com also works.

 

However, I was able to get through by using the TOR browser. Looks as if they're censoring some foreign sites, whether or not the content concerns the US Industry. Personally I think it's just a matter of time before they build a wall barring any foreign site that apparently infringes the FOSTA/SESTA laws.

 

PM me if you want me to test a particular URL from down here.

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Smart move for them to do that.

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Actually, that's not quite accurate. It doesn't matter where the servers are located. It doesn't matter where you live. It doesn't matter the country you advertise your services for:

If your website has a domain extension operated by a US entity, the US HAS jurisdiction over your website and datas and has the authority to seize it. (sources: https://www.wired.com/2012/03/feds-seize-foreign-sites/ & https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2083906/claims-com-net-websites-jurisdiction)

 

In other words, your servers may be located in Switzerland or Bahamas, it doesn't make a difference if your website has a domain extension operated by an American company .

 

Verisign is US based and operates the followings:

.com .net .name, .gov, .cc, and .tv

 

For a complete list of domain extensions and the registries who operate them: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/listing-2012-02-25-en

 

Lyla, you need to change your domain extension ASAP. Here's a list of the 5 best host countries for data privacy and to keep Uncle Sam's hands out of it: http://nomadcapitalist.com/2013/12/15/top-5-best-countries-host-website-data-privacy/

 

This is technically correct, but I don't think there's a lot of risk of Lyla being shut down. There's a lot of international politics around this, but one thing that a lot of countries are concerned about is the prospect of the US being able to run/police the Internet according to its whims. The reasons for this vary; some countries are worried about the US shutting down stuff because they disapprove of it (e.g. the current moral panic), and many others think the US is dangerously tolerant of stuff they don't like (e.g. countries trying to suppress dissidents). As a result, the ultimate responsibility for this has been moved from the US to the ITU and the UN over the last few years.

 

The articles you've linked to are all from 2012/2013, and are therefore rather out of date. The list of domains from ICANN that you posted doesn't include the ccTLDs - those are handled by IANA and you can see them here. Neither .tv nor .cc appears to be handled by Verisign any more, probably because Tuvalu and the Cocos/Keeling Islands have decided they'd prefer to make their own decisions about what's legal and what isn't.

 

As far as things getting shut down is concerned: AFAIK the US has only gone after sites that were operating in the US and breaking US law. This site doesn't operate in the US, and so I suspect the risks are minimal. Of course, that relies on the decisions in the US being made by people who understand the issues in play and think about the consequences of what they do, so... I could be completely wrong about the risks given the current state of affairs down there.

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