Independant vs. Agency !!

[imwildru 100]

Ok, here is my thoughts; i have seen some takes on why some like independants and others like dealing with agencies or some guys prefer some over the other.

 

Here is my question; why do an independant charge as much as an agency or even more? even though -the way i see it- they have less over-head to deal with!!

 

It would be nice if everybody got involved in this discussion.

[Guest f***2f***]

Beacause that's what the market will bear....capitalism 101

[Cowboy kenny 50799]

Actually if you think about it an independent has more or rather the same overhead, however an agency can spread the cost of operations out over their cut from each girl. That and the fact that as igotaboner points out it's what the market will bear.

 

There's pros and cons to both indys and agencies, it all depends on they type of girl you're looking for they type of service you expect and the price you're willing to pay. Indys tend to be all inclusive and up front regarding pricing, where as agencies gals tend to have a sub menu of fees for certain services after the initial advertised price.

 

Shop around and you'll find the gal or agency that meets your needs.

[xxxAxxx 21016]

Here is my question; why do an independant charge as much as an agency or even more? even though -the way i see it- they have less over-head to deal with!!

 

It would be nice if everybody got involved in this discussion.

 

LESS OVERHEAD?!?!?! are u serious?

 

Ugh....yea, i'm with CK on this as well.

Actually if you think about it an independent has more or rather the same overhead, however an agency can spread the cost of operations out over their cut from each girl.

 

I am Indy.

As far as i'm concerned, my job is that of both an agency's SP AND the agency itself! You really need to sit a minute and ponder on this... A girl who works for an agency has 0 emails to answer, 0 phone calls from clients who are only wasting time, 0 worries about ads/reviews/etc .... hmmm....

and yet after I've completed all my secreterial duties, I still have to get down and dirty myself. Not to mention that in MOST cases, indy's do charge less! like CK also mentioned, agency girls are the ones most likely to charge extra fees...so at the end of the date you've paid more with an agency even if the hourly rate was the same.

[PistolPete 61421]

Very well said Alexxxis, you are bang on with your statement.

[dreamer8 510]

I like both but PK has been so good to me I rarely see an indy unless there are no girls on that I want to see.

 

untill recently the girls at Pk were GFE and the one price included all the extras most of the time exept for greek.

 

two girls I talked to that were agency girls and are now indys are not making much $ even though they pay no agency fee and actually charge $50 more. I guess the agencys were getting them a lot more clients that they can get for themselves ... that goes back to what Alexxxis is saying that it's a lot of adminastrative work to run the agency part (imagin haing to answer the phone or emails all the time and service clients too!).

 

I personally found that unless the indy is very serious like Alexxxis and treat this like a real business most indys are not consistant enought to keep their customers happy (including proper customer service), resulting in less and less income.

 

If you are an indy and your on here I was not talking about you becasue you are obviously taking it serious too ;)

[Erica Skye 112]

I usually don't get involved in this kind of stuff....But I just can't keep biting my tongue on this one!

 

Dreamer your post is completely bass ackwards in my opinion!

 

First let me say that I agree with you that PK is probably, by far the best agency in town. I know J&J personally and they work hard at it and deal with more crap than you know...and THAT'S why they are successfull!

 

You need to define your idea of "Indy".... Just cuz a girl worked for an agency for a couple of weeks and figured she could do better on her own, does not make her an "Indy"...And a simple search will show that the girls who are TRUE "Indy's" provide EXCEPTIONAL customer service and are frequently receiving stellar reviews on here and other boards.

 

If you were to ask any agency owner, I'm sure they would tell you that they experience all kinds of turnover of staff, and have to constantly adapt and overcome in order to stay in the biz.....

 

True independant escorts have EVERYTHING to lose by providing sub-par customer service. It is not just a job that we can go to when we feel like it, or we need money...It is our buisiness and our reputation that is on the line with every client we see. We work very hard to establish our clientele and as Alexxxis said we do EVERYTHING by ourselves, so if you break down the hours spent preparing and booking and dealing with timewaisters, our hourly rate becomes a whole lot more understandable. Also alot of Indy's charge the same rate as agencies, so as CK said we are actually losing $'s if you look at it from the volume perspective.

 

I will finish my rant here by saying that, I in no way want to diss agencies or agency girls .....but please don't make the independant girls sound like fly by night flakes, when you know that the majority of us are serious about the biz.

[imwildru 100]

I think it's a healthy dicussion, i agree, indys have lot more to lose than an agency for a bad rap, coz if she get a bad reputation she might lose it all, but for an agency it might be one bad sp and life will go on, again ladies, i think you are doing a great job-you got the good reviews to prove it-, just thought to throw a curve ball into the board to heat things up and get everybody involved.

 

I would love to hear some more feed back.

[d*mm*y 887]

I agree with the supply and demand principle, and will add in an old adage of you get what pay for, with one qualifier, consistency. If an sp can consistently charge $$$ month in and month out and has a steady following she is probably worth it, she is definetly worth it to her regulars. I am as guilty as the next guy for hunting for a $ deal, but sometimes quality takes precedent over quantity. And the price has nothing to do with agency vs independent, it's about marketing and appeal. To put it in perspective I would probably easily pay 5 large for a date with Bella Donna, I don't know her at all and all I have seen are some internet downloads, but she has really promoted the hell out of herself and I am sure that there are many guys out there with much deeper pockets than me that would pay much more than me. By contrast many sp's I would have trouble paying more than $ for. What turns you on will drive your pocket book.

[dreamer8 510]

Erica Skye,

 

You didn't read the last line of my post.

 

I knew I might upset some SP's on here but this is just my POV.

[lanf08 100]

I have a preference with indy's, I always had better services with them, they are more at attention for your needs and are working for themselves, so it shows. This is my experience which is limited.

[PKjessica (PK is now PKJas 103]

Thanks Erica for the kind words.. I always appreciate the comments.

 

And it is true guys there are good and bad points for both Agencies and Indys.

 

One of the reasons that some do charge more is the fact that they have the cost of Ads on their shoulders. Also when they are with a client, they probably don;t have time to answer the phone so they do miss out on Opportunities.

 

There is alot of competition right now so potential clients will just move on to the next ad until someone answers the phone. So in all fairness they have to make each call count.

 

The other issue when dealing with Agencies is that they are at the mercy of the ladies as far as scheduling, as well as if you do end up with a "bad apple" your name can be really easily Tarnished. Where as Indys that aren;t reputable can turn around and change their names Weekly and continue their ways. Much harder to do that with an agency.

 

Now Indys that have a good name like Erica, Alexxis, Heidi make the Indy circuit much more reputable for sure.

[southend 100]

I love everyone.

[JoyfulC 132299]

Agencies are excellent for guys who like a bit of variety and also like "fresh" offerings -- the new stuff on the market -- but still want the convenience of dealing with someone who knows them and knows their preferences. Agencies are also probably better for guys looking for younger fare.

 

Independents are better for guys looking for an SP they can establish a relationship with, especially someone closer to their own age and/or lifestyle.

 

But with respect to price, actually -- if anything -- agencies should be cheaper. They have the same advertising overhead of independents and, if they're providing premises, the same overhead there too -- but they have more service providers footing the bill.

 

I'm always a bit amazed at the griping and moaning some guys do about the costs involved in this business. If you're getting good service, what of it? This is, after all, one of the most extravagant personal luxuries a person could purchase. And yet, to hear some guys talk, you'd think they were buying milk to feed their babies or gasoline to get to work!

 

Please remember guys, some of the girls in this business ARE ACTUALLY buying milk to feed their babies and gasoline to get to work -- and don't have a lot left over for luxuries like paying someone to give them a blowjob and entertain them.

 

I know that a lot of people in our business like to pose as though they're rich-bitches enjoying every luxury known to man -- but that's simply not the fact. Most SPs are getting by from one day to the next and, if you look behind you in line at the grocery store or the gas station, you may see one of us there. We're not living on our trust funds anymore than you are. We're doing our best to survive in this economy just like you are -- only difference, maybe, is that we might not have as much money to toss at a personal luxury as you do.

 

..c..

[leyley 108]

Hi Joyful C,

I agree with you and you are a very smart and successful woman.

I see 2 independants to one agency SP's a month, on average. My limit is $250 for "regular/permanent" indies and $200 for agency SP's which I think is fair enough.

This is definitely a luxury for me as I'm on a fixed income but it's within my budget.

The part I don't understand is the SP's who demand $300 to $500 and up for their services while providing the "same services" with the same equipment. Especially the visiting ones.

(I know they have to pay for hotels, etc...)

 

Regards,

 

leyley

[cat 262460]

Dear Leyley,

 

I have sat on all three sides of the Agency/Indie fence, and I can say that it doesn't matter what area of this industry you are in, it is not easy. The work if far more challenging than people realize. It's alot like the theatre. All you see is the "show", but you don't see the hours of preparation that went into ensuring it is a success.

 

Why some prices are higher... It is a question that often comes up, usually in the querie "is it made of gold?". In reality, there are several reasons that some SP's charge more. I would never speak for others, but I am happy to explain why my rates seem higher. There are several challenges for indies that have already been touched on. The actual man hours involved in the business end of things is more than most realize. When I have ads up, I spend about 3 hours taking care of administration alone. If I see 3 guests, that is 6 hours with my guests uninterrupted. Then there is the accumulated total of guest preparation which will equal another 1.5 hours. On top of that is the physical grooming required. 4 showers, plus all the little things that make being up close and personal so much fun add another 2 hours. It makes for a 12 - 14 hour day which if all 3 guests arrive makes it worth while. If something comes up and there are cancellations, then the profit ratio goes down. This business is like any other business in many ways, you get back what you put in.

 

Unlike other businesses tho, we are sharing the most intimate parts of ourselves with people who have no true vested interest in our wellbeing. How much is taking a risk like that worth? One has to realize the toll this takes on our personal lives. Those of us who commit to genuinely providing for our guests, our personal relationships often take a back seat. I know that with the amount of physical and emotional energy I commit to making my guests satisfied, it can leave very little left over for personal interaction There isn't another business out there like this in that sense. How do you put a price on that? It's hard to do. The difference in considerations between Indies can be attributed to several factors; what their expectations are, what type of investment have they made to this financially and emotionally, and the final which I think is the main factor, is their self esteem. How much does a woman thinks she's worth? Over the years, the one factor in a womans charms that is listed over and over is confidence. For a woman to truly be at home her own skin, she must have a strong sense of self. Everyone will agree that playing with a woman who is happy with herself is so much more fun than an interlude with someone who questions her self worth.

 

I look at this much like the career of an athlete. I have a small window of opportunity to maximize my income to provide for the future. We have no benefits, company RRSP contributions, retirement packages, job security, or regular paychecks. Without the investment of time and of ourselves, we will starve. Society shuns us, banks refuse to business with us, buying a home is akin to getting a face to face with the Dalai Lama. Everything learned and earned is done the hard way. We constantly have pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off and keep going. There is no recognition or respect of this trade in the "real" world. There are few like Joyful C, who have the strength and fortitude to have a long career. She is a remarkable woman, and proves this can be a career for those who choose to make it so. This is a business that can be empowering, allowing women control of where they want to go in life (as long as no one in the future finds out once they get there!). Often however, the women get involved out of necessity, as a last resort. Some take it and turn it into something positive. But I have seen strong, intellegent women become escorts and it left permanent scars on them. Others, the ones too beaten down and broken are destroyed by it. You don't know what the long term effects are going to be until it is long past the point of no return. How do you put a price on a risk like that?

 

It boils down to respecting a SP's decision. We all have the option of setting what we feel we need to make the risks worth while, and that is different for everyone. It isn't to be taken personally, it's not that we think we're too good to entertain guests who don't have the disposable income to visit with us. It's just that there are only so many days in a girls life, and she has to try to do the best she can with every one of them...

[Mika Luv 105]

Catherine i am breathless after reading your post.You are such a very intelligent and experienced woman.I do have higher prices and i am local.I never had any difficulty to have clients.It depends on many factors...

 

I have plenty of local professional clients as regular and sometimes i have to refuse some clients that doesn't fit into my standards unfortunately.I know i have a different clientele than other with lower prices and that's the only kind of clients that can fit into my standards.Those with higher prices charges that price because they can.Most of my professional clients with higher class don't come in these kind of board unfortunately due to their lack of time i guess.

 

I still like to come here to chat and share info with the other providers and when i accept new clients i only get 20% of the new clients from this board and they are the ones who are late or with issues....I frankly prefer when my clients refer other clients cause i also find exciting to meet new gent.

 

Isn't she sweet?

[Guest L.M. (No longer a member here)]

As a matter of fact I think Joyful, Catherine and Mika are absolutely right. I really liked to read their posts. The rates of any SPs is a very personal question. I don't think anyone should discredit any providers whatever they have lower rates or higher rates. As Mika said they charge what they can. Myself I have extended GFE options and I can be in the range of higher rates for that. I don't do these options with just everyone. It depends on hygiene and other factors and I only do it if requested or eligible... I agree not everyone are looking for that type of service and that's why I proceed that way. No clients will loose money if not. In that delicate case I politely turn the proposition and simply don't charge the options. I never had any problems getting clients otherwise I wouldn't be in this business or I would charge much less. Again rates are a very personal matter and only us can definit our expectations and our limits to make the risks worth while.

[Guest katia]

Excellent job girls! I mean hobby. LOL!