Facesitting

[Lycrathong 134]

Looking for good recommendations on a massage with facesetting included. Preferably Asian.

[JohnnyJ1981 916]

I too am looking for the same.

[Parker 19761]

Someone can totally correct me if I'm wrong, but--

I'm pretty sure that's not your typical massage service and is something you'll probably have to look to an escort or fetish provider for.

[JohnnyJ1981 916]

To be honest, most of the MA i have seen have let me tasted their southern regions, not necessary in facesitting position thought. In the past I've communicated that I would like to pleasure her and clearly state that I am not expecting anymore then massage in return, most are open to being pleased.

 

Personnally, I like reverse facesitting for the end, so I can please her as she please me!

[Parker 19761]

Personnally, I like reverse facesitting for the end, so I can please her as she please me!

 

It's really not so much about the woman "being pleased" as it is clients trying to get more services than they're paying for (you're paying for a massage afterall, not the intimacy of a GFE companion)..

We really don't get into Sex Work solely so guys can try to give us orgasms you know, lol.

[JohnnyJ1981 916]

i see your point. In all fairness, i simple state it something i'm open to. I would never just try to perform it without advance warning in communications before the massage. i never state that it has to happen. I offer to massage (with hands) the lady regularly and if she leads me to it, I go, if not, I'm not offended. Perhaps its more a YMMV issue. I enjoy kissing, and I state before that I enjoy it...just matter of perspective on which set of lips I want to kiss!

 

Quite frankly, there are also some MA that take bodyslide so far, that one has to wonder if thats not what she is asking for.

[Katherine of Halifax 113932]

i see your point. In all fairness, i simple state it something i'm open to. I would never just try to perform it without advance warning in communications before the massage. i never state that it has to happen. I offer to massage (with hands) the lady regularly and if she leads me to it, I go, if not, I'm not offended. Perhaps its more a YMMV issue. I enjoy kissing, and I state before that I enjoy it...just matter of perspective on which set of lips I want to kiss!

 

Quite frankly, there are also some MA that take bodyslide so far, that one has to wonder if thats not what she is asking for.

 

I offer body slides in my massage sessions . I can assure that I am not asking for anything. I am delivering service , to please you as we agreed upon. Why do you think or wonder if a lady is asking for anything more? What leads you to believe this I ask with all respect ?

[JohnnyJ1981 916]

Well I apologize if I offended anyone. In my personal opinion, if a lady performing a body slide has her lady parts on all the way on my face and lips, i've always taken it as an invitation especially if I told her I like that. Honestly, it only backfired on me once so far.

 

I would 100% agree with Parker and Katherine if I didn't discuss it PRIOR with the MA. The only reason I'm sticking to my guns is because if I fully disclosed it at when booking the session, why should I feel bad. There are countless posts on here where the ladies say "Guys be explicit with your intention and what you want" I do exactly that.

 

There have been times we the lady said during the booking "no" so i wouldn't even dream of tempting my luck. If she wants to up charge me, she is most welcome to do so. But i'm not going to feel guilty if I say "I like this" during the booking and she's OK with it. For clarity, I treat all ladies with the up most respect. I've never had to push an issues in person, as I've learnt it best to be crystal clear during booking so that there is no awkward moment in person.

[JohnnyJ1981 916]

 

Anyways- this is starting to get into weird territory as I don't believe someone mentioning they like eating pussy and then me putting my pussy near their face (in a job all about arousal and teasing) as consent to touch it, let alone with their mouth.. That's a discussion more about male entitlement and rape culture, and I don't want to touch that one with a 50 foot pole.

 

There fact that you raise an issue then dismiss it abruptly shows a total lack of willingness for open discussion, cohesive argumentation and maturity. If your going to poke the bear, you should be willing to stand and face the music.

 

You make the assumptions that the ladies i choose "need the money". Not all ladies are here for the long run. Many young vibrant smart ladies engage in this line of work to better them self. To pay off school and start a career with no debt. I can only know what is communicated to me. There are MA in Ottawa, MTL and TO whose base rate are higher than average the SP.

 

On this board, most of the ladies who do speak their voice, are not afraid to say "no" or simply state a request is an extra.

 

This is an industry. A place of competition, of offer and demand. As with any product or service, different competitors offer different products/service at different price ranges.

 

In your eyes, pershaps MA shouldn't offer SP service. Why should your prerogative of the services she is allowed to offer be restricted to what you deem acceptable? Why would a hybrid service be not allowed? Who are you to judge competition? There are no real written code of conducts here. Rather we rely on respect, communication and trust, especially during the first encounter.

 

You claim my actions are the result of "male entitlement" and "rape culture". Interesting choice of words. I agree, that after the terms and conditions of a mutually agreed upon contract have been reached and that financial compensation for such service has been rendered, I feel entitled to the services and they should be delivered as mutually agreed.

 

Again, for clarity, this whole argument lies on basis on full disclosure prior to the session where the ladies can say she is OK with it, deny the request or provide the service for an up charge. To request simply act or to assume a service is include without asking prior would be 100% wrong.

 

As for insinuating that such action is due to a "culture of rape". I can't read a ladies mind, but I can respect her wishes. I don't see how it can be rape when a person express there interest for a service PRIOR and the ladies express her consent.

 

Some ladies welcome reverse massage and some don't. Some offer full nude, some don't. There is an infinite range of offering, primarily based on the ladies comfort level.

 

It is clear that we will only agree to disagree.

 

I treat each encounter as I would in the real business world. Clearly state all my requirements, search for the vendor that offers me the best value (note I said value and not price!) and execute within the negotiated parameters of the contract.

[SQFoster 160]

Great example of how blurred the lines between MA and SP are...or is there even a line?

[Manluvsex 13731]

Ad today:

 

Hi my name isXXXXXX and I am a hybrid MP and SP.

[GoinDown 3669]

There are lots of guys who will pay waay more than SP rates for SP services from an MA or a dancer. Often it's all about context, the thrill of forbidden fruit and/or risk of being caught. Would you pay a premium for a BJ from your fave dancer in the parking lot? Of course you might and who are any of us to judge ?

[Genevieve Marceau 68000]

Well I apologize if I offended anyone. In my personal opinion, if a lady performing a body slide has her lady parts on all the way on my face and lips, i've always taken it as an invitation especially if I told her I like that. Honestly, it only backfired on me once so far.

 

 

"Backfired on you" like you didn't bother to obtain her consent first? When you go to the stripclub and get a private dance, do you also assume that you can put your mouth on her genitals because she has it at 2 inches of your face and that you have previously told her that you like to lick pussy? Does the fact that you have stated your preferences makes you entitled to them?

 

You do realize that you just self-admitted to have committed a sexual assault, right?

[Parker 19761]

There fact that you raise an issue then dismiss it abruptly shows a total lack of willingness for open discussion, cohesive argumentation and maturity. If your going to poke the bear, you should be willing to stand and face the music.

 

You make the assumptions that the ladies i choose "need the money". Not all ladies are here for the long run. Many young vibrant smart ladies engage in this line of work to better them self. To pay off school and start a career with no debt. I can only know what is communicated to me. There are MA in Ottawa, MTL and TO whose base rate are higher than average the SP.

 

On this board, most of the ladies who do speak their voice, are not afraid to say "no" or simply state a request is an extra.

 

This is an industry. A place of competition, of offer and demand. As with any product or service, different competitors offer different products/service at different price ranges.

 

In your eyes, pershaps MA shouldn't offer SP service. Why should your prerogative of the services she is allowed to offer be restricted to what you deem acceptable? Why would a hybrid service be not allowed? Who are you to judge competition? There are no real written code of conducts here. Rather we rely on respect, communication and trust, especially during the first encounter.

 

You claim my actions are the result of "male entitlement" and "rape culture". Interesting choice of words. I agree, that after the terms and conditions of a mutually agreed upon contract have been reached and that financial compensation for such service has been rendered, I feel entitled to the services and they should be delivered as mutually agreed.

 

Again, for clarity, this whole argument lies on basis on full disclosure prior to the session where the ladies can say she is OK with it, deny the request or provide the service for an up charge. To request simply act or to assume a service is include without asking prior would be 100% wrong.

 

As for insinuating that such action is due to a "culture of rape". I can't read a ladies mind, but I can respect her wishes. I don't see how it can be rape when a person express there interest for a service PRIOR and the ladies express her consent.

 

Some ladies welcome reverse massage and some don't. Some offer full nude, some don't. There is an infinite range of offering, primarily based on the ladies comfort level.

 

It is clear that we will only agree to disagree.

 

I treat each encounter as I would in the real business world. Clearly state all my requirements, search for the vendor that offers me the best value (note I said value and not price!) and execute within the negotiated parameters of the contract.

 

You were the one saying "she was asking for it", no?

That sort of attitude isn't worth a discussion, no matter how justified you think you are.. These women aren't just holes for you to fill, they're actual people.

[Lycrathong 134]

I believe the thread is being taken out of context. Some MAs provide more than just a standard hand finish, and you are usually given options before the massage starts. I was simply looking to find info on other MAs who offer/provide face sitting services. Many MAs for example, offer prostate massage, with some its included, with some its extra. Nothing is assumed prior to engaging in conversation with them and coming to an agreement on services needed.

[WhereIRoam 21825]

"Backfired on you" like you didn't bother to obtain her consent first? When you go to the stripclub and get a private dance, do you also assume that you can put your mouth on her genitals because she has it at 2 inches of your face and that you have previously told her that you like to lick pussy? Does the fact that you have stated your preferences makes you entitled to them?

 

You do realize that you just self-admitted to have committed a sexual assault, right?

 

I understand the comparison between SP and MA. Some MAs advertise full service right in their ads and some offer everything but FS in their ads yet still offer it behind closed doors without it being suggested by a client. This thread seems more complex than it actually is, perhaps a few SPs are just not content with the fact they feel some or all of "their services" are now also being offered by MAs. True that some MAs wish to only offer what was once the norm but this has changed for a vast majority and why for any type of Provider parameters need to be clearly stated/defined and respected for a pleasant experience to be had by both parties involved. Like it or not this is simply evolution in the MPA world, nothing more. So a Punter posting a thread asking for any MAs who offer facesitting is no longer a "way out in left field" subject.

 

Comparing a SC Dancer to an MA, now we're getting a little far fetched IMO. That being said, some (quite a few) would be surprised what is offered by Dancers and why there too parameters need to be clearly defined for both to be respected and enjoyed.

 

Entitlement: Why are a few SPs telling clients what they should and shouldn't expect from a MA and now tossing around non comparable scenarios with a Dancer? It would appear to me the only ones judging anyone on this thread are SPs judging clients and attempting to represent and/or speak on behalf of MAs. MAs have a voice of their own. They are just as informed, intelligent and well spoken as anyone else.

 

This unnecessary discussion need not continue IMO.

 

Cheers,

[Katherine of Halifax 113932]

I offer massage with various extras and endings . I also offer full companionship. My massage packages are clearly spelled out to a client and my donation is less for massage that for companionship.

 

When someone tries to get extra service in a massage that I don't offer I immediately think this person is trying to get more service for less donation.

 

There is no muddy water here. You have chosen one experience and you know exactly what you are receiving .

 

Luckily for me most clients are respectful. Those who come for massage usually want the luxury of laying back and being pampered, that's why they choose this service.

[Genevieve Marceau 68000]

I understand the comparison between SP and MA. Some MAs advertise full service right in their ads and some offer everything but FS in their ads yet still offer it behind closed doors without it being suggested by a client. This thread seems more complex than it actually is, perhaps a few SPs are just not content with the fact they feel some or all of "their services" are now also being offered by MAs. True that some MAs wish to only offer what was once the norm but this has changed for a vast majority and why for any type of Provider parameters need to be clearly stated/defined and respected for a pleasant experience to be had by both parties involved. Like it or not this is simply evolution in the MPA world, nothing more. So a Punter posting a thread asking for any MAs who offer facesitting is no longer a "way out in left field" subject.

 

Comparing a SC Dancer to an MA, now we're getting a little far fetched IMO. That being said, some (quite a few) would be surprised what is offered by Dancers and why there too parameters need to be clearly defined for both to be respected and enjoyed.

 

Entitlement: Why are a few SPs telling clients what they should and shouldn't expect from a MA and now tossing around non comparable scenarios with a Dancer? It would appear to me the only ones judging anyone on this thread are SPs judging clients and attempting to represent and/or speak on behalf of MAs. MAs have a voice of their own. They are just as informed, intelligent and well spoken as anyone else.

 

This unnecessary discussion need not continue IMO.

 

Cheers,

 

 

My issue is not about who offers what in terms of services, obviously. I have been clear about that. My issue is the lack of explicit consent with your professional. You can stretch this as much as you want with mental gymnastic, the facts remains that's not ok to put your mouth on someone's genitals WITHOUT first obtaining their consent, REGARDLESS of their profession. Strippers, MAs or Escorts.

 

Your post feels defensive. I understand that my words will force some to reflect on their own behaviour, which can be quite triggering once you realize a thing or two. That's ok, take all the time you need.

[WhereIRoam 21825]

My issue is not about who offers what in terms of services, obviously. I have been clear about that. My issue is the lack of explicit consent with your professional. You can stretch this as much as you want with mental gymnastic, the facts remains that's not ok to put your mouth on someone's genitals WITHOUT first obtaining their consent, REGARDLESS of their profession. Strippers, MAs or Escorts.

 

Your post feels defensive. I understand that my words will force some to reflect on their own behaviour, which can be quite triggering once you realize a thing or two. That's ok, take all the time you need.

I am in no need of any time at all. When unsure of an act I intend or am thinking of doing that was not previously discussed prior to commencing any event(s) I simply ask so I have no need to feel defensive. IMO, you're (what would appear to be) feeble attempt of trying to turn this around or of any such act you mentioned in which you now feel I may have done since I posted my view(s) is really quite unnecessary and I find in very poor taste for someone who is a "professional", to say the least. False accusations and/or insinuations...I think it speaks for itself. I cannot control your perception of my post(s), only you can and I don't wish to embark on your slanderous type crusade.

 

Enjoy your day,

[Phaedrus 209521]

Ad today:

 

Hi my name isXXXXXX and I am a hybrid MP and SP.

 

Assuming I know who you're talking about (and I think I do): she's indy, and therefore entirely at liberty to provide whatever services she pleases. A MA working in a spa is probably subject to more in the way of rules about what she should and shouldn't do, although I'm sure it varies significantly.

 

Anyways- this is starting to get into weird territory as I don't believe someone mentioning they like eating pussy and then me putting my pussy near their face (in a job all about arousal and teasing) as consent to touch it, let alone with their mouth.. That's a discussion more about male entitlement and rape culture, and I don't want to touch that one with a 50 foot pole.

 

If you don't want to touch that one with a 50-foot pole, there was no need to bring it up in the first place.

 

And yet you did...

[Sensual Erin 33935]

There are comments in this thread that have me thinking me on a consensual level. I would like to add my thoughts as an MA.

 

Services do vary with different providers and these questions should be asked beforehand. Once they have been discussed, they should always be respected. There is no debate to be had on this subject.

 

I did have a non consensual experience while doing a reverse body slide when I first started, even though I outlined my limitations before meeting. This applies in person as well and never to be assumed. It's a violation I have not forgotten.

 

You never know how it can affect someone if you just take your "chances".

[Nesbot 598]

This discussion took a turn pretty quick. I think there are some misunderstandings going on here. I have nothing of substance to add to the discussion. Just felt the need to point that out.

[Parker 19761]

Assuming I know who you're talking about (and I think I do): she's indy, and therefore entirely at liberty to provide whatever services she pleases. A MA working in a spa is probably subject to more in the way of rules about what she should and shouldn't do, although I'm sure it varies significantly.

 

 

 

If you don't want to touch that one with a 50-foot pole, there was no need to bring it up in the first place.

 

And yet you did...

 

When it comes to sexual assault and consent violations- explaining why I would not be discussing anything further with those with such an attitude was simply an explanation.. I find such views disgusting and it's within my rights to remove myself from dealing with persons who hold such views.

 

There was no need to pick at me for such- if you took such personally, maybe that's something you should reflect upon as my comments weren't directed at you, just those who take advantage of Sex Workers "because they can".

[GoinDown 3669]

I agree 100% with Alisonxox. STDs can be transmitted just as easily via saliva as other 'bodily fluids'. And at this time of year in particular who needs the extra exposure to colds flus and strep throat - which can kill you if left untreated. I'm with Alison ! And I doubt she's any less popular for her position on this.

[Phaedrus 209521]

There was no need to pick at me for such- if you took such personally, maybe that's something you should reflect upon as my comments weren't directed at you, just those who take advantage of Sex Workers "because they can".

 

I was merely remarking on the irony of you claiming you didn't want to have the conversation you were simultaneously kicking off. It amused me, that's all.

 

:)