How Low Can They Go?

[mrrnice2 157005]

It is no longer Donald Trump this or Donald Trump that. When you speak of him substitute the words the United States instead because he is being supported by both houses of Congress and a large percentage of the American public.

 

I shall be interested to see what the people of Alabama decide on December 12th but apparently there is a good chance that an accused pedophile and stalker of young teenage girls will be elected as a senator of the United States. He is supported by the President of the United States.

 

I am feeling very sad about the fact that so many millions of people are ready to throw women under the bus and the LGBTQ community along with them.

 

I am perhaps more nervous that Trump will resign or be impeached and they will have Mike Pence in his place. A true hater.

 

Just some musings.

[Gregsand 6116]

Never imagined American politics would make it's way here.

 

For the start, his support his razor thin in the Senate and marginal in congress. As for the U.S. population, only 27% of registered voters actually supported him. 29% voted for Clinton and 44% didn't vote at all.

 

His far right policies are not just homophobic and misogynistic, but also very racist. He's been more sympathetic toward white supremacists than women and minorities victim of violence.

 

The only light at the end of the tunnel is his incapacity to materialize any of his promises and the prosecution slowly penetrating his inner circle regarding to the Russian collusion probe. If Pence ends up in his place, he won't have time to save the sinking administration.

 

Hopefully humanity will learn from this democratic anomaly.

[GoinDown 3669]

He won. Get over it.

[Gregsand 6116]

He won. Get over it.

 

He never stopped campaigning and spends more time on Twitter and golf courses than actually working on his policies. If he won, not sure anyone told him. LOL

[mrrnice2 157005]

He won. Get over it.

 

Oh I'm over it. Just pretty sad.

[waterat 20911]

He won. Get over it.

Well a win of some sort. Clearly though America is lost....

[Guest *Ste***cque**]

How low can he go?

You're familiar with the saying "hold my beer"?

 

There's a lot of angry people out there(not just in the US) that feel left behind and they are looking for someone to blame... that doesn't involve looking in a mirror, god forbid! Easy pickings for a demagogue.

[Gregsand 6116]

How low can he go?

You're familiar with the saying "hold my beer"?

 

There's a lot of angry people out there(not just in the US) that feel left behind and they are looking for someone to blame... that doesn't involve looking in a mirror, god forbid! Easy pickings for a demagogue.

 

It kind of crosses the line when people are starting to root for the local child molester.

[Phaedrus 209521]

It kind of crosses the line when people are starting to root for the local child molester.

 

The GOP used to be the Grand Old Party. Unfortunately, they'll soon just be the Government Of Pedophiles at this rate.

 

i must admit, I keep an eye on US politics for the popcorn-worthy stuff (of which there is a great deal) but I've given up caring about it. There comes a point where stressing over other people's self-inflicted problems isn't worth it any more.

[Gregsand 6116]

The GOP used to be the Grand Old Party. Unfortunately, they'll soon just be the Government Of Pedophiles at this rate.

 

i must admit, I keep an eye on US politics for the popcorn-worthy stuff (of which there is a great deal) but I've given up caring about it. There comes a point where stressing over other people's self-inflicted problems isn't worth it any more.

 

Two words: DUMPSTER FIRE.

[JessyCeleste 14078]

wow Ok I need to immediately leave this thread lol If I start to comment, I wont stop. I'll just say that I am shocked by a lot of the over-simplification and misinformation on here. I really thought Canada was better than this. Not all, some were bang-on and I thank you for speaking up to the others because, given this site has everything to do with my profession, I must remain professional which means being as apolitical as possible.

 

Saying what I have, no one will know to which posts I am referring and sadly, I need to weigh the professionalism of Jessy Celeste over what the rest of me wants to say and try to reason with those who are way off their facts and/or taking stances that would likely change simply with one sentence that reflects the meaning of the words back at them, before they parrot what they have heard others say without thinking. I have that confidence because I know some of you, be it personally or from reading your other views, I can deduce that your sentiments would change if you would just stop to think about what it is you are saying.

 

lol So like, on a lighter note, this is me... NOT COMMENTING lol

Obviously I mean I am not going to comment on specific statements here.

 

I rarely regret anything but I regret clicking on this thread. The consolation was the ability to pick up the shards of my shattered hope with some of the better comments on here.

 

Sigh...

 

I'm really looking forward to my next appointment now so I can forget about this and be reminded what one of the many great pleasures of freedom are.

[Gregsand 6116]

wow Ok I need to immediately leave this thread lol If I start to comment, I wont stop. I'll just say that I am shocked by a lot of the over-simplification and misinformation on here. I really thought Canada was better than this. Not all, some were bang-on and I thank you for speaking up to the others because, given this site has everything to do with my profession, I must remain professional which means being as apolitical as possible.

 

Saying what I have, no one will know to which posts I am referring and sadly, I need to weigh the professionalism of Jessy Celeste over what the rest of me wants to say and try to reason with those who are way off their facts and/or taking stances that would likely change simply with one sentence that reflects the meaning of the words back at them, before they parrot what they have heard others say without thinking. I have that confidence because I know some of you, be it personally or from reading your other views, I can deduce that your sentiments would change if you would just stop to think about what it is you are saying.

 

lol So like, on a lighter note, this is me... NOT COMMENTING lol

Obviously I mean I am not going to comment on specific statements here.

 

I rarely regret anything but I regret clicking on this thread. The consolation was the ability to pick up the shards of my shattered hope with some of the better comments on here.

 

Sigh...

 

I'm really looking forward to my next appointment now so I can forget about this and be reminded what one of the many great pleasures of freedom are.

 

Trump's former National Security Advisor just plead guilty to lying to the FBI. Can't be more straight forward than that.

 

Have a nice weekend.

[JessyCeleste 14078]

Ok Ive changed my mind on just one point... I cant put a price on integrity. To everyone who says, 'He won, get over it.' Are you kidding me? Do you not care about freedom and democracy? That sort of complacent attitude has been the beginning of almost every single dictatorship, totalitarian regime, oligarchy... you name it.. in history. So by that rationale, should the people of Nazi Germany just gotten over it? Or was it a good thing that some of them didn't just accept this new reality and risked their lives to help take it down? Should the people of North Korea just 'get over it'? Should we who dislike C-36 just get over it? Or should we do something to change things we feel that infringe on our rights? Should we not have a voice and start a dialogue with each other to weigh our options on how we can better our lives? Should women who have had their clits hacked off at age 7 just get over it cuz their government allows it and that's that? Or is it a good thing that they rise up and fight against it. Should I as an Anglo Quebecer just get over the fact that people can not communicate with health care professionals, police and government workers because the OLF won? Or do I have the right to stand up and say, hey this is my country and my province too and I have the right to the laws that are in place? Should Scotland have just gotten over it and allowed British soldiers to have 'first dibs' at raping their young wives before the groom can even see her after their union? I can go on and on. And you may say that I am comparing life and death matters to life in America... ok lets examine that for a moment. First of all, as I said, totalitarian regimes barely ever take over, overnight. It took the Nazis party several attempts before they had enough seats that hitler could carry out his disgusting plans. (Oh fun fact. One of the things the Nazi party did during campaigns was spread false news stories and once everyone got a little confused they then cried 'Leuten Presser' (forgive me if my German sucks) to any report that described the truth about what the Nazis were up to. Guess what that means in German; Give up? LYING PRESS! Sound familiar? Anyway back to my rant which Ill probably kick myself for but freedom is everything to me) Where was I? Ah yes... so first point in my comparing all the atrocities of history to the USA. So, point 1. that's how this shit ALWAYS starts. and 2. Comparing life & death matters to the state of the American union. Well, considering issues such as HEALTH CARE, GUN CONTROL AND THE ENVIRONMENT and the stance this sociopath has on all these issues and more, oh yes, lets not forget the military industrial complex and all the lives that costs, he backs all these things more than any of his predecessors... these ARE matters of life and death. So if you don't care about peoples freedom and you are comfortable with an Orwellian party-member like complacency of 'whatever the party in control does is fine, just get over it' I suggest that perhaps if you care so little, then allow those of us who DO care to discuss and fight it however we like. NO I WILL NOT GET OVER IT! I WILL FIGHT IT WITH EVERY SIGNLE FIBER OF MY BEING. AND I DO NOT REQUIRE YOUR PEMISSION TO DO SO and sorry but you wont succeed at dismissing me into silence.

Furthermore, I find it kind of odd how any one can be comfortable saying that about a country that isn't even theirs!

 

But be ready. It has come out from several different sources (non anonymous sources) that Russia was only testing the waters with the American election. Those who are paying attention have been warned that the same 'Fake news' tactics and efforts to divide the nation will be implemented in elections for Germany, France, England and yes CANADA. When that happens, I hope at least for your own country you wont be telling anyone to just 'get over it' if a extreme winger (either wing) comes into power and tries to undermine our democracy, gut our health care, kill our soldiers, pollute our drinking water and arrest those who protest it. I hope what I have said here, or perhaps, someone else's words will have got you thinking about a few things that really matter. I am assuming if you are on here you at least enjoy the freedom of our laws regarding this industry, less as they now are. I'm sure you enjoy other freedoms as well. I hope you will guard those freedoms against those seeking to take them from you. I hope you will guard your money from an oligarchy trying to steal it.

 

I do not say any of this with the hope to call out or shame. I am trying to reach you and I sincerely hope that you would try to have a talk with me should I ever say anything so dangerous and so against Canadian values.

 

And yes, please stop shaming the American people. It was the LOWEST voter turn out in US voting history, per capita. Even so, trump STILL lost the popular vote. Also, please recognize that the most popular politician in the USA is BERNIE SANDERS, who is practically an honorary Canadian when it comes to his values. And this is despite the fact that the Clintons literally financed the DNC which was broke and spent a ridiculous amount of time and money (still do) attempting to smear him. EVEN SO he remains the most popular. The average American IS a progressive. If you need proof, take a gander at the comments in trumps twitter feed. Go to youtube and watch the clip of the recent attempt at voting through the tax bill. It was constantly interrupted by constituents protesting, screaming DONT KILL ME, KILL THIS BILL. Have a look at some town hall meetings, ALLLLLL the way back in March, where republicans screamed protests against these BS policies. This election was a carefully calculated scam and the people are PISSED. By mocking Americans and blaming them for the 1% that have stolen their country from them, you are NOT helping any more than the South Koreans who shun North Koreans thinking they are all like their regime when the truth is, they are the victims of that regime.

 

This mess in the US all started in the 70s when the supreme court literally legalized lobbyist bribery by deeming it freedom of speech. I can explain what happened but it would take forever. The point I am making, is these matters are seldom so simple. But before even going into all its complexity, ask yourself, who is happy being miserable? Obviously, even the few supporters he/they have, have been DUPED! His base is of the most simple minded people who desire simple answers to complex problems. The people in the US were/are desperate for change. They ACTUALLY voted in Obama on that promised and got sodomized for it, now they are pissed. Then they are offered Hillary, the poster girl of what is wrong in that country and why they work 3 jobs and still cant survive and in comes Trump who parrots the same things Bernie did, Medicare for all, raise the min wage to 15$ p/hour, stop the military industrial complex which turns blood into money...he promised all that and ya most of us could tell he was lying. But never underestimate the power of desperation... again, its why so many voted in the Nazi party. They were willing to try anything out that said they would save them.

 

I really hope I have given some of you something to think about. In order to understand a situation you first need to get the full facts and then you have to find out what other facts led to those facts and only then will you begin to get an idea of what the hell happened there. But what wont help is dismissing and assuming and blaming without seeking anything beyond simplicity. That's the mistake of the trump supporter and yet you mock them for it. And again, saying get over it, if that's all you have to contribute, you may want to re-examine the value of your contribution.

 

Clearly, within seconds I went from self-preservation to standing up for what I feel is right and risking it all. If I lose any of my wonderful clients because of my words here, it will crush me, but as I said, I cant put a price on my integrity and if I can reach just one person, it will be worth any cost. America needs our help, not our judgement or our complacency. And for those who may mock my appearance of hypocrisy, by calling out those telling a country that isn't their own to get over it... I like to remain as unidentifiable as possible on here but lets just say, theres a good reason I care so much. If you don't, that's cool, it isn't your country (though you may want to examine the fact that that country's well-being and prosperity has a lot to do with our own), but please do not try to tell those of us who do care, not to and to just give up and/or blame the bottom 99% of the country for the crimes and scams of the top 1%.

 

If you read this far, I thank you for your attention. If I offended anybody, it was not my intention, please chalk it up to my passion for freedom, it is not personal. My sole hope here is to reach out and exchange some of my ideas for the ones Ive been offered here. That's the point of a dialogue and freedom of speech is the first step in freedom, shutting it down is the first step toward tyranny.

 

Have a good day everyone! Sending each and every one of you love

 

Sincerely,

JessyCeleste

Concerned SP. (LOL)

[Gregsand 6116]

Ok Ive changed my mind on just one point... I cant put a price on integrity. To everyone who says, 'He won, get over it.' Are you kidding me? Do you not care about freedom and democracy?

 

 

I agree with most of your arguments. But you got to keep in mind we're talking about a man who never accepted the legitimacy of his predecessor on the ground of a repeatedly debunked racist conspiracy theory. A man who called the popular vote the only true measure of victory. And a man who couldn't tell the truth even if his life depended on it. He takes credit to the success of measures taken by the previous administration and won't take responsibility on failures he put his signature on. He regularly sympathizes with white nationalist and will personally attack everyone who dares questioning him. He repeatedly violated his oath to represent the U.S. population and protect their rights. Even controversial predecessors like Nixon and W.Bush could unite the country and represent all of them in moments of crisis. Trump can't even honor native veterans without insulting them with a racial slur.

 

Yes he won. But according to his own words, he's not worthy of the position and to represent his country. He made the history book , great for him. If he really cares about his country and the population, he will allow someone who gives a crap to take over.

 

As for the "anti-Hillary" thing, I take it with a grain of salt. She made her share of mistakes, but the fake news on her jumped the shark with conspiracy theories including "Pizzagate", satanic rituals, fake campaign rallies and many others. As for Sanders, he was popular but you can't expect a nation built on capitalism to turn socialist on a dime. If Sanders was serious about it he would have run as an independent instead of trying to hijack the Democratic party the same way Trump did with the Republicans. Sanders only wanted to create a dialogue and the impact was greatly overhyped. The fact Clinton managed to win the popular vote by nearly 3 million says it all.

 

No hard feelings. Enjoy the rest of the day. :-)

[Guest *Ste***cque**]

Wow! mrrnice2, you really stirred up some strong feelings with this post. Good job!

 

Here is my limited take on the state of things. I think much of it has to do with economics.

 

The current populist/nationalist movement around the world seems to me to be a knee-jerk reaction intended to blame others for what are complex economic problems now affecting the white, middle class... problems we all play a part in.

Number 1 on that list... apathy! If you don't vote you're part of the problem! If most people don't want a fascist in charge then get off your ass and vote. Giving up your rights never solved anything.

Number 2... looking externally and never internally for solutions. First step to improving your life is a good look in the mirror. After some serious self evaluation, then look for help.

Number 3... stop blaming "outsiders". Immigrants are not the major cause of your problems. It's your intolerance that is holding you back, not mexicans/muslims/foreigners/etc.

Number 4... ask yourself who is more responsible for the welfare of the economy, corporations or consumers? If you only blame corporations while you shop walmart "where the lowest price is the law" then don't blame corporations when they shop for the lowest wages in a global economy to give you that lowest price law. Buy from a local small business wherever possible and support local jobs.

Number 5... enough with the high expectations and sense of entitlement I see more and more nowadays. I'm not sure if recovering our sense of responsibility and compassion towards each other is the easiest thing we can do or the hardest, especially in this high tech/less personal world.

 

Jessy is right, the problems are complex but the world is the way WE make it and you do still have some control over that. You want an egalitarian world? Start with yourself and build from there.

 

Sorry for the rant. :)

[Guest *ass**x]

I think an inescapable conclusion - in the current context - is that Donald Trump is not the main problem. Of course, he is a problem but the real issue is what has happened to US politics and the underlying culture. 30 years of culture wars, evangelicals, the gun lobby and a poisoned media and a corrupt political finance system have brought us to this. Frankly, I don't see a route out of the situation since the country is so polarized and the forces that have the wind in their sails are not the moderates. When a country gets to the point that it is acceptable to vote for an accused pedophile in order to keep those damn "liberals" out it is hard to see any resolution short of eventual fighting in the streets.

 

On that dark note... I am thankful I live in boring old Canada and take another sip of wine...

[Phaedrus 209521]

I think an inescapable conclusion - in the current context - is that Donald Trump is not the main problem. Of course, he is a problem but the real issue is what has happened to US politics and the underlying culture. 30 years of culture wars, evangelicals, the gun lobby and a poisoned media and a corrupt political finance system have brought us to this. Frankly, I don't see a route out of the situation since the country is so polarized and the forces that have the wind in their sails are not the moderates. When a country gets to the point that it is acceptable to vote for an accused pedophile in order to keep those damn "liberals" out it is hard to see any resolution short of eventual fighting in the streets.

 

On that dark note... I am thankful I live in boring old Canada and take another sip of wine...

 

Absolutely. Trump is just the pus in the wound, not the underlying infection. But honestly, I don't see how this gets fixed. Between the propaganda operation on one side, the apathy and "they're all just as bad" in the middle, and the huge bar to setting up a viable third party in the US system, the GOP isn't going to be pushed out to its natural habitat on the margins of society.

[RhinestoneCowboy 1211]

He won. Get over it.

 

I echo your sentiments.

[Phaedrus 209521]

The GOP used to be the Grand Old Party. Unfortunately, they'll soon just be the Government Of Pedophiles at this rate.

 

Postponed :)

[Gregsand 6116]

Postponed :)

 

Not as long Trump remains in office. Keep in mind that on top of the "Access Hollywood" tape and the 15 women who went public, Trump was also accused of raping a 13-year-old girl in 1994. While that case was dropped for lack of evidence, it's hard to dismiss it when Trump seems to sympathise with known sexual predators like Jeffrey Epstein, Anthony Gilberthorpe and Roy Moore. Also, the circumstances on why the charges were dropped were never made clear. With Trump legal team's history of settling cases out of court, it's also hard to dismiss the possibility her silence was bought.

 

While Moore lost, the fact Trump and the Republicans supported and funded him will always remain. If Trump can't get his tax plan done, Republicans will start to rebel a bit more publicly and think of their survival in the midterm elections.

[Jabba 18389]

The big orange bigot has his moment in the sun.

I expect the experience is about to get more interesting.

[Surnow 1052]

With a "president" who thinks Nazis are "very fine people," calls himself a "genius" and thinks that an entire continent is a "shithole," there is no bottom.

[Luckyme 41401]

[GoinDown 3669]

and Oprah is the Dems next saviour lol !!! God Help Us.

Trump is presiding over 4% GDP growth

Obama less than 1/2 that in four years despite trillions in deficit spending.

 

Additional Comments:

and the reason we have to secure public facilities including embassies against terrorist attacks - with 'diversity bollards' - is that we no longer make an effort to protect our borders.

[Gregsand 6116]

and Oprah is the Dems next saviour lol !!! God Help Us.

 

She reads the documents she signs, she doesn't need Fox News and Breitbart to know what do and think, she doesn't know "good" white supremacists, she can get can get the minority vote out and never called majority black countries "shitholes". If she actually accepted to run against Trump, she would have no problems winning both the electoral college and popular vote! Not the greatest candidate, but at this point, anyone else would be an improvement.

 

Trump is presiding over 4% GDP growth

Obama less than 1/2 that in four years despite trillions in deficit spending.

 

The Obama years had constant growth and Trump is currently capitalising on Obama's programs. If taking credit for Obama's track record was not bad enough, he also lies about job his "record breaking" job numbers that's actually come short compared to Obama's last year.

 

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and the reason we have to secure public facilities including embassies against terrorist attacks - with 'diversity bollards' - is that we no longer make an effort to protect our borders.

 

Fear mongering and racism are not helpful in a modern world. And with "Shithole" Trump latest blunder, the little respect his country and the rest of the world had for him is pretty much gone. If he had any self-respect, he would resign before someone else takes the decision for him.