the "Blacklist"

[antlerman 17064]

I am not posting to start any type of argument....or to cause any problems.

I am posting this to ask how CERBians feel about this.

 

You see I found out that my handle has recently been found on the Ottawa section of this list.....why?...I do not have the faintest idea why or how.

 

http://www.geocities.com/escortsblacklist/

 

I am whole heartily for this type of list or service for the ladies in this industry as they do not get enough respect or support that I personally think they deserve or get.

 

But when your handle is submitted you are not given a chance to at least explain or defend your self prior to it being posted....at least I have not.

 

Is this not being presumed guilty with out a fair trial?

 

How would you feel about this?

 

How would you react?

[Guest Donny44]

You are just jealous because they put your name at the bottom instead of the top!

 

Sorry couldn't help it, lol.

[Guest katia]

I'm sorry antlerman few providers complains about you regarding discounts in exchange of reviews last year... It also have been discussed in an other site. I'm going to edit my site now to make it more private cause these info are not supposed to be shared with clients. Please mod delete the link in this thread or delete the thread. This site is for providers view only. Thanks!

[mod 135640]

If it is for providers only you need to password protect it. Obviously the guys are aware of this and since you left it unprotected and publicly open I think you should move it or password protect it instead of asking me to delete the link.

[Guest katia]

I'm going to ask my partner as I may not be able to do it myself. There is nothing I can do if many providers complains about a client. Sorry!

[Mika Luv 105]

I saw this username antlerman in the other SPs board for that same topic about discounts.I think katia have been kind enough not to mention the other things that have been said about him.No SPs are in the obligation to provide discounts in exchange of a review.I think katia is right and she is doing a great job for us.Everyone just loves her including me.

[loneskater 25635]

I am not posting to start any type of argument....or to cause any problems.

I am posting this to ask how CERBians feel about this.

 

You see I found out that my handle has recently been found on the Ottawa section of this list.....why?...I do not have the faintest idea why or how.

 

http://www.geocities.com/escortsblacklist/

 

I am whole heartily for this type of list or service for the ladies in this industry as they do not get enough respect or support that I personally think they deserve or get.

 

But when your handle is submitted you are not given a chance to at least explain or defend your self prior to it being posted....at least I have not.

 

Is this not being presumed guilty with out a fair trial?

 

How would you feel about this?

 

How would you react?

 

I would be upset to be in the same category as possibly dangerous clients. Maybe there is a need for a blacklist and a greylist.

 

There are people out there that are dangerous and SPs need to know for their own safety thus the need for a blacklist.

 

In your case, if the accusations are true, it still might be annoying and a bad review would be bad for the SP's business, there safety is not at risk , thus the need for a greylist. I think in those cases, there should be some mechanism where the member is warned, maybe through a PM on this board, and if there are no further complaint after a certain time, his name removed from the greylist.

 

Hiding those list form the clients will not help. Maybe the person doesn't quite realize what he had been doing and then eventualy might get turn down by SPs without really knowing why.

 

We, the clients, or at least many of us, are controlling ourselfs to respect this board rules and not post any negative reviews that would hurt an SPs business. It would be nice, in the case of "Greylist" issues if CERB members were also given some consideration.

 

Finally a last point about making the site visible to SPs only, I found it was also useful for clients. There was an agency listed on there that I had a bad feeling about and from what I read they are not being fair to their SPs. Personnally, as a client, If I had some way of knowing an agency is not being fair to the SPs, I would not do business with them. Those ladies deserve to be treated fairly and with respect.

[Rachelle Reigns 4828]

I have known Antlerman for a long time. Yes he has reviewed me..but not for any reason other then he enjoyed our time. I really cannot believe he would even ask for a discount, let alone in exchange for a review. Antlerman is a stand up guy...Ant don't let it get you down.

 

I'm not saying this is true or not ...don't want to step on anyones toes...just stating that he is a great friend and client!

[Guest katia]

If there would be only one complain I may would have delete it, but now we are talking about 3 complains from 3 different person. I'm sorry! Providers are important too and their safety as well.

[Guest katia]

I would be upset to be in the same category as possibly dangerous clients. Maybe there is a need for a blacklist and a greylist.

 

There are people out there that are dangerous and SPs need to know for their own safety thus the need for a blacklist.

 

In your case, if the accusations are true, it still might be annoying and a bad review would be bad for the SP's business, there safety is not at risk , thus the need for a greylist. I think in those cases, there should be some mechanism where the member is warned, maybe through a PM on this board, and if there are no further complaint after a certain time, his name removed from the greylist.

 

Hiding those list form the clients will not help. Maybe the person doesn't quite realize what he had been doing and then eventualy might get turn down by SPs without really knowing why.

 

We, the clients, or at least many of us, are controlling ourselfs to respect this board rules and not post any negative reviews that would hurt an SPs business. It would be nice, in the case of "Greylist" issues if CERB members were also given some consideration.

 

Finally a last point about making the site visible to SPs only, I found it was also useful for clients. There was an agency listed on there that I had a bad feeling about and from what I read they are not being fair to their SPs. Personnally, as a client, If I had some way of knowing an agency is not being fair to the SPs, I would not do business with them. Those ladies deserve to be treated fairly and with respect.

 

A grey list would be great. I'll see what I can do about that.

[antlerman 17064]

There is some confusion here....and I want to make it clear.....very clear......

 

The name I use here and on other boards is........antlerman....it is the name I have always used The name in question is ........Antlerman

 

There is a difference..........I have never capitalized my handle.......and that is where the confusion is.

 

So for all the ladies out there who check these black lists and websites out there to protect you....please do your home work and look carefully at the names and handles posted.

 

I do think that if the handle is posted there should be some other marker to single out that persons handle.....an example is that ll my e-mails I send out have my antleman hotmail...but also have the tag..."deep woods hunter" on it....

 

I would also like to say that I have never.....will never....ask for favors or special treatment as blackmail about posting on boards.

 

It scares me that there is some one with a name similar to mine that might cause me problems in the future or that they might have gotten in the door to see ladies with the confusion over handles here.

 

 

 

 

[antlerman 17064]

I'm sorry antlerman few providers complains about you regarding discounts in exchange of reviews last year... It also have been discussed in an other site. I'm going to edit my site now to make it more private cause these info are not supposed to be shared with clients. Please mod delete the link in this thread or delete the thread. This site is for providers view only. Thanks!

 

 

Katia.....as I politely asked for you to respond to mein private so I could clear this up, but instead you want to cover this up and make it a public issue.. I find that to be an unprofessional and impolite way of dealing with my simple request.

I would recommend that you delete your own link from your signature until you solve your security problems and not ask the mod to solve your un-secure site issues.

 

I saw this username antlerman in the other SPs board for that same topic about discounts.I think katia have been kind enough not to mention the other things that have been said about him.No SPs are in the obligation to provide discounts in exchange of a review.I think katia is right and she is doing a great job for us.Everyone just loves her including me.

 

Mika, as I have said please inform yourself as to the name and person being accused...it is not me who has done this.....i am antlerman...not the one in question Antlerman

 

I have known Antlerman for a long time. Yes he has reviewed me..but not for any reason other then he enjoyed our time. I really cannot believe he would even ask for a discount, let alone in exchange for a review. Antlerman is a stand up guy...Ant don't let it get you down.

 

I'm not saying this is true or not ...don't want to step on anyones toes...just stating that he is a great friend and client!

 

Rachelle....thanks.......I could also ask any one else who knows me that this would be unlike me in any way.......and if they still think it is me...contact me or I can give references of people who know me for them to talk to compare this Antlerman against the real.....antlerman.....

[cat 262460]

In this world, there are no realities, only perceptions. That is where the difficulties lie. A grey list would be an excellent idea, what is grey to one SP is white to another.

 

Perceptions and miscommunications are always difficult to sort out and when reputations are at stake, it is vital to come to some understanding. Often misunderstandings are magnified for reasons only known by the persons involved, and often it is one sided. How of many times have we all walked away from a conversation feeling off because a comment hit a nerve? The words linger, and if we focus on it, it becomes an issue to us alone. The person who made the comment may have been looking at the situation from an entirely different perspective and the statement may have had a different meaning entirely. Language is so subjective that confusion happens more than anyone realizes. The drama that ensues is usually unnecessary and the difficulties that result consume our time and energy when there are things more important at hand. I think it would make a huge difference in this world if people would assume the best not the worst from those they interact with. That being said...

 

Katia, I appreciate the amount of time and effort you commit to making sure we get information. I realize we can't always substantiate what happened, and you always err on the side of caution, as I think you should. I know you would not put information out there unless you felt it needed to be. You never put information out there that could cause more trouble for the people on the "blacklist" in case there was more to the story and I respect that. There is nowhere else for SP's to go when something goes wrong but to the blacklist. I was not a fly on the wall, I don't know if this accusation is true, but....

 

In the three years I have known antlerman, he has always been a complete and total gentleman. His demeanor has never wavered; he is an incredibly kind soul who is open and upfront. I have never detected anything lying below the surface, and those of you who know me, know I have a shit detector that will pick up anything that "just ain't right" a mile away. I have enjoyed every moment we have shared in company. We keep in touch even when there is no time to visit, and I consider him a friend. I cannot fathom him trying to negotiate something like this; it just is totally out of character. If any SP out there would like a referral for him, just drop me a note. He has always been a delightful guest and truly enjoyable playmate when he is with me and I can't imagine him being any other way. Always remember a piece of paper has two sides to it, and I am glad we are flipping this one over and taking a look at what’s on the other side...

 

 

Catherine

[Guest katia]

And where this Antlerman would hide? In TO board or any other? As I remember in the other ladies board the ladies clearly mentioned about T..b.

[mod 135640]

It does look like "our" antlerman is being wrongly accused. Personally, I think blacklists only work when you have hard info (Phone numbers, real names, photos of the person, etc..) and a good source. As far as using aliases (discussion members and sp's alike) they are not exclusive to the web just to that board where they are registered under that name.

 

Maybe if you post this Alias you should mention it is the person known as Antlerman on Terb and make a note now that you know it's not the same person that the person known as antlerman on cerb is not the same person. With the ladies vouching for this person you will most likely loose credibility if you do not fix this.

[xxxAxxx 21016]

I've never had a problem with him....the one tryin to defend himself that is.

[Erica Skye 112]

Katia

 

I too greatly appreciate your effort and input. I find it incredibly helpful, and we all need to look out for each other to make Ottawa a safe and positive environment for both SP's and hobbiest's alike....

 

That said... I have to agree with Catherine. antlerman(deep woods hunter) is kind, respectfull, and basically the ideal client IMO....I would not hesitate to provide a reference for him either.

Erica Skye

[the lurker 160]

Well A-Man. We've been around a long assed time and even drank some beer at my local. Don't know the situation you've found yourself in, but I will say this. In all the time we've read each other's posts, you've been the most level headed defender of the ladies.

 

I can only speculate that someone is using your good handle to get services he is not entitled tool. Just so's you know there are those out there in the InterTubes that know you for what you project. Descent.

 

Lol that said I am sooooo tellin'n Stacey!!! She's gonna beat your ass butt good. Well she might do that anyways, but she'll enjoy it more ;)

 

What say we all make a sandbox thread on this here board too! LMAO.

 

Not the same pokin' fun at ya without HOAD and Stacey.

 

Keep the faith and know this, the good ladies out there know ya better than some anonymous poster on other boards (no offense Katia, your doing important work!)

 

TL

[Guest katia]

OK I just found what's happened and why. This Atlerman in terb is not the same in Cerb and he have been banned in the past. I had to email the mod. There used to be a guy with the username Antlerman in terb and he is the one who asked for discounts in exchange of reviews. So this is not antlerman in Cerb. I will remove it myself. Sorry again!

[esoterica 624]

The thing is... if I were going to be an ass, I would not be using my handle from here or any other *erb. It's way easier to pick the name of a more popular user. And some of the jerks on the hobby boards are quite capable of being that slimy.

 

I think somebody should be warning JPsoHot too, because he is also considered a good guy on hobby boards. However, he is also on katia's list.

 

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[the lurker 160]

Too true. Thing is with AM, we know many ladies in common and I trust most of their opinions. While it is possible that these two guys have done what should not have been done, I just find it hard to believe.

 

I do however think that you ladies in the absence of a union or official status, should stick together. I am also sure that these two guys would think the same.

 

So. It is that both we and you should jealously protect our good names.

 

It is a hobby after all. People should not be harmed or maligned in its pursuits!

 

I must say for all you women who are out there for us (lurkers [my peeps] included) thank you and stay safe.

[Guest greenantlerman]

Hey guys I just want you guys to put me out of this. I just received an email from a SP that I know and I just want to clear this out. I don't know and I have nothing to do with this antlerman or Antlerman whatever. I have been here in cerb for a longer time and I don't even know the other board that you guy's talking about. When I come here I just read the ads and reviews and I rarely post so why would I ask for for discounts. The guy who did that must be a terrible looser, but I swear it's not me.

[Mika Luv 105]

OK I just found what's happened and why. This Atlerman in terb is not the same in Cerb and he have been banned in the past. I had to email the mod. There used to be a guy with the username Antlerman in terb and he is the one who asked for discounts in exchange of reviews. So this is not antlerman in Cerb. I will remove it myself. Sorry again!

 

Katia i don't think you shoud remove it,just mention that antlerman in cerb and Antlerman in terb is not the same guy.I believe the one who is guilty is Antlerman.Just in case he comes back in sight.Seems like some guys don't really care about our safety.Safety first!

[the lurker 160]

Hi Mika,

 

I am posting alot for a reason. Both antlerman and I like to think myself, as well as, others on many boards do seriously take you ladies safety to heart. Not because we would lose out on fun, but because we genuinely feel that all should be treated as we would want to be treated. I have known many and continue to have the good fortune to still know many ladies. Escorts are not hookers, they provide things that many of us look for in life.

 

While I cannot say what prompted his and JP's handles to be posted. I just want to stand up for them. Simply that. From past posts all three of us on both boards have publicly and often stood up for those that have be maligned. Please take this into consideration. If it has transpired that some have tried this, Katia's site is useful. I just wish this is not the case.

 

TL

 

P.S. I know this is not terb or the Snakepitt, so I will state this. Sometimes nice guys are just that and not doormats.

[Guest AL]

What a weird topic! Why do you care so much about that? Do you have something to loose? Maybe they are from the same agency. You know what I really don't care about this topic and if someone is asking for discounts that person deserve to be in there and if he is a danger for the ladies I hope I'll never see his face.