damnage 100 Report post Posted March 12, 2011 Does anyone have any info on 613girls? I just called and asked for specifics on what services a lady provides, and was told it was "standard escort service", and I was refused any information about what that standard service is. I'm a little apprehensive about dropping 200 bucks on a lady, when I don't know what service I'm getting! Any help cerbites? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capital Hunter 18263 Report post Posted March 12, 2011 damnage, I think that 613girls is the same as Ottawa Playgirls managed by Tracey. I have used Ottawa Playgirls and in most parts I was happy with the services and the ladies. They are loyal to their customers and they treat their ladies well (which are both "hard to find" attributes for an agency), and these are very important factors to me. In regard to not answering your questions as related to services, well It is always YMMV. So, they can't guarantee the service or services. It is (and must be) lady's choice. So, they for example can not promise you DFK or DATY if the lady (whom by the way they work for and represent them, not other way round) has the choice what services to offer (after she sees you since she doesn't have super natural powers to know beforehand about your hygiene, looks, personality, treatment of the lady, respect .....). So, can't blame them in any way. IT IS YMMV and lady's choice. Check the recommendation section to see if the lady you are interested is recommended. Sometimes services are listed too (but again YMMV). You may also find this thread useful. http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=44497&highlight=playgirls I hope it helps. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kubrickfan 12836 Report post Posted March 12, 2011 SA is right on the money here. 613 and Ottawa playgirls is the same outfit and Tracey has been around quite a while and is an honest person and doesn't want to promise a client something and not deliver. If she said the lady provides "standard escort services" she may mean to imply no kissing or something like that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
damnage 100 Report post Posted March 12, 2011 Thanks for the help gentleman. That's what I assumed, I was just concerned about the language on the site which says some girls MAY provide services such as dancing, massage etc.....I wasn't willing to take the plunge for an hour just for a dance. Serina piques my interest, and there's a very vague review of her - so maybe I'll take a chance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fortunateone 156618 Report post Posted March 12, 2011 It could also be a legal issue. Agencies shouldn't be offering information about sexual services on behalf of an employee, as that leads into the legal area of procuring, living off the avails, etc etc. A smart booker won't give out details like this, making it clear that they are providing you with an sp and sexual services, when it is or should be only within the ability of the sp herself to make that negotiation with you directly. I had actually heard of the unusual practise of one TO agency that took the client call, then contacted the sps directly, who would then call the client back rather than making all the arrangement thru a 3rd party. That was very unusual but brilliant, imo, and imo more agencies should offer that process. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capital Hunter 18263 Report post Posted March 12, 2011 Actually fortunateone I am not sure that it is a legal issue (but I could be wrong) because Ottawa Playgirls is an OUTCALL only agency (they respect the law). And we all know as of now outcalls are legal and whatever happens in the privacy of our homes between consenting adults is legal and a phone or internet is NOT considered a public place by law as far as solicitation is concerned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Megan'sTouch 23875 Report post Posted March 12, 2011 Actually fortunateone I am not sure that it is a legal issue (but I could be wrong) because Ottawa Playgirls is an OUTCALL only agency (they respect the law). And we all know as of now outcalls are legal and whatever happens in the privacy of our homes between consenting adults is legal and a phone or internet is NOT considered a public place by law as far as solicitation is concerned. Living off the avails is illegal, so even outcall-only agencies are illegal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capital Hunter 18263 Report post Posted March 12, 2011 Living off the avails is illegal' date=' so even outcall-only agencies are illegal.[/quote'] I had no idea....So, you say for client outcall is legal but not so for agency. But I thought outcalls is not considered prostitution but rather a private arrangement...... But I could be wrong. I am no lawyer for sure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Megan'sTouch 23875 Report post Posted March 12, 2011 I had no idea....So, you say for client outcall is legal but not so for agency. But I thought outcalls is not considered prostitution but rather a private arrangement...... But I could be wrong. I am no lawyer for sure. You are referring specifically to the bawdy-house laws, but there are indeed many laws pertaining to prostitution. Living off the avails of another person's prostitution is illegal. If you are running an agency, you are living off the avails of prostitution and this is not legal in Canada. An incall agency could be charged with keeping a common bawdy house AND living off the avails. An outcall agency could NOT be charged with keeping a common bawdy house because they are outcall-only, but they could definitely be charged with living off the avails. The only way to work completely legally as a prostitute in Canada is to work independently without any third party (agency, security guard, or driver, etc.), arrange all encounters privately, not within public view (email and phone), and to do outcalls only. Also, just to clarify, you the client could not be charged nor could the lady. But the agency and any others profiting from her work (drivers, security guards, etc.) could be charged. So you and the lady have nothing to fear! Not saying I agree with this, but that is the way the law is currently. I find the "living off the avails" law very paternalistic and it pisses me off like no other!! 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meg O'Ryan 266444 Report post Posted March 12, 2011 It is (and must be) lady's choice. So, they for example can not promise you DFK or DATY if the lady (whom by the way they work for and represent them, not other way round) has the choice what services to offer (after she sees you since she doesn't have super natural powers to know beforehand about your hygiene, looks, personality, treatment of the lady, respect .....). So, can't blame them in any way. IT IS YMMV and lady's choice. Check the recommendation section to see if the lady you are interested is recommended. Sometimes services are listed too (but again YMMV). I love this!!!!!!!!!!!!! As an independent this still applies! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Megan'sTouch 23875 Report post Posted March 12, 2011 OP - I believe OPG is a good agency and I respect their choice to not discuss services on the lady's behalf. While I can understand your frustration, remember there are no guarantees. You could call up another agency and they may tell you that everything is on the menu, but when you arrive the lady will tell you a different story. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kubrickfan 12836 Report post Posted March 13, 2011 damnage -- One other point to keep in mind is that if you are not known to OPG they are going to be particularly careful as indicated in the above posts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capital Hunter 18263 Report post Posted March 13, 2011 (edited) You could call up another agency and they may tell you that everything is on the menu' date=' but when you arrive the lady will tell you a different story.[/quote'] I don't appreciate those agencies making promises on behalf of their girls which may not be delivered but that is not the worst scenario and I can forget and give another chance. What I will never forgive and give no chance at all, are those agencies who treat their girls badly, intimidate them into doing some services against their will and threaten them if they refuse or if they try to leave them. I will boycott them right away and for good and I have done so in the past. We hobbyists have an obligation to push this industry in the right direction and fight back against human exploitation and human indignity. And don't be fooled by those in sheep's clothing. My views anyway. Edited March 13, 2011 by S*****t Ad*****r Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
