Hotel Visit - Meeting downstairs.

[MGSP 1593]

5 minutes ago, Greenteal said:

 

   Those rules aint worth nothing in real life.  

It was a simple breakdown in communication. Sh!t happens! Better learn from it and move on with our lives.

Agree, but the rules were in reference to the unnecessary escalation.

[Guest]

Just now, MGSP said:

Agree, but the rules were in reference to the unnecessary escalation.

As we only got one side of the story, there shouldn't even be an escalation.

I miss the good old days where phones were used to talk directly and not only send messages that can be misinterpreted and ignored. Maybe he used the wrong words and maybe she wanted to cancel and was looking for a reason. We can only speculate as we don't know that much on what happened and why.

Other than learn from it , there's not much he can do about it.

 

[forkyew 225]

1 hour ago, Jessica Rain said:

LMAO My bad attitude???  My negative issues??? Really???  That is a joke right?!? I am judging you based on your very own comments on this thread. I don't know you from Adam and I don't know the SP in question so kinda only have your word to go on.  LOL 

 

Sweetie - I don't do outcalls to hotel where this is an issue for me. LOL. I am not getting stood up in the lobby and I am not the one who is coming here asking if I was wrong and then having a problem when someone is telling me yes. 

 

Look at your own attitude. I think it is laughable that you actually feel you are being "forced" to get/provide a place.... please...   Did someone note my opinion earlier on your entitled attitude???? Hmmmm think I called that one pretty good clearly. LOL

 

No one forced you to do anything. You chose to contact her. Not the other way around. 

 

You have yet to show where it is her "protocol" to be escorted. You fully admit that you didn't even get that far because she shut you down. You don't know why she needed you to get her from the lobby. 

 

But we know you got scared and declined. Therefore you did indeed chicken out of the appointment. She arrived, she was ready, she was there - YOU are the one that stopped it. For YOUR own reasons. Therefore YOU wasted her time and with how hard you are fighting agains this here, it is clear to anyone reading that there is no way you were going to offer her compensation. 

 

To be honest, I would love to hear her side. I don't think I am off the mark on her feelings regarding the matter. I would love to know if she did think you were playing games. It is known to happen with outcalls a lot. I didn't say that is what you were doing however. Just that she probably thought that and decided to cut her losses then. 

 

Point is - you asked a question, I and other ladies gave you an answer. All of us said the same thing. It is normal to collect the girl from the lobby and you were wrong not to do so thereby canceling the appointment to which the SP was out time and money. 

 

Don't like the answer - don't ask the question. But don't start labeling me with issues because YOU got paranoid. And there is nothing wrong with being fearful in this industry. Just own it first of all and second - don't waste other people's time because of it. Find companionship somewhere else if you can't handle the fear and risk associated with this industry. 

 

Anyway, I am good. You won't agree because you don't like the answer so I am cool to simply agree to disagree. 

 

Sorry you didn't get the validation  you were looking for, but whatevs ... that's life Moving on now ... 

Wow!  You have problems.  You’ve read way to much into this and blindly passed judgement.  Piss off!

 

Here’s the text conversation :

 

her:  I’m here but you have to come get me.

me:  why?  What’s the problem? Front desk won’t let you up?  That’s awkward.  Not really wanting to be identified like that.

her:  ok hun it’s ok I left.  No worries

me: ??? Very peculiar 

 

thats is all I had to work with.  Nothing more.

 

I asked at the beginning it was normal protocol to meet in lobby since I’d never been in this situation before.  However I don’t deserve your abrupt judgement nor did I deserve her abrupt reaction .  She could have easily softened this, explained the problem and helped me to understand so the date would be possible.  Therefore, I owe her nothing! 

 

So so sorry that other guys have played you.  I was totally sincere.

[Jasmine Rain 23126]

9 minutes ago, forkyew said:

Wow!  You have problems.  You’ve read way to much into this and blindly passed judgement.  Piss off!

 

Here’s the text conversation :

 

her:  I’m here but you have to come get me.

me:  why?  What’s the problem? Front desk won’t let you up?  That’s awkward.  Not really wanting to be identified like that.

her:  ok hun it’s ok I left.  No worries

me: ??? Very peculiar 

 

thats is all I had to work with.  Nothing more.

You came here and asked a question. You were given an answer and now you are telling me to piss off?? 

 

Your attitude is clear. It is clear to me, it was clear to her. It is clear to many others here. 

 

I said Good Luck, you say piss off. Who has the attitude????  Ya - that is what I thought. 

 

Ignored now. Have a nice day. 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, forkyew said:

Wow!  You have problems.  You’ve read way to much into this and blindly passed judgement.  Piss off!

 

Here’s the text conversation :

 

her:  I’m here but you have to come get me.

me:  why?  What’s the problem? Front desk won’t let you up?  That’s awkward.  Not really wanting to be identified like that.

her:  ok hun it’s ok I left.  No worries

me: ??? Very peculiar 

 

thats is all I had to work with.  Nothing more.

I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you're not making yourself any favor by using this type of language.

If you don't tone it down , you won't last long here.

[Hukupp 1651]

Well that was an interesting afternoon coffee break. Let’s at least hope one good lesson learned comes from all this. Two adults should be able to communicate to each other prior to meeting wether to meet in the lobby or the room. This could have been easily avoided.

[drlove 37204]

Another way of handling it (if you felt uncomfortable) is to meet her in the hotel bar for a drink. That way, the two of you have a place to go, and the front desk staff would have lost interest in you anyway after glancing up for a moment. From then on, the two of you could adjourn to your room... At that point, who’s to say you’re not a bonafide couple? No one would be the wiser.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, drlove said:

Another way of handling it (if you felt uncomfortable) is to meet her in the hotel bar for a drink. That way, the two of you have a place to go, and the front desk staff would have lost interest in you anyway after glancing up for a moment. From then on, the two of you could adjourn to your room... At that point, who’s to say you’re not a bonafide couple? No one would be the wiser.

  Depends on how long the session. If only an hour, that drink will be quite expensive considering she'll be on the clock.

Again, this could have been avoided with better communication from both side.

[forkyew 225]

7 hours ago, Hukupp said:

Well that was an interesting afternoon coffee break. Let’s at least hope one good lesson learned comes from all this. Two adults should be able to communicate to each other prior to meeting wether to meet in the lobby or the room. This could have been easily avoided.

 

I will never deal with a text only escort again.  Now I know what is expected in a hotel visit.  Lesson learned.

Please, people when you reply to those of us who are inexperienced in one way or another, being condescending and judgemental deserves nothing less than a "piss off" remark.  I was trying to learn.  I didn't deserve all of these negative comments from her.

Now let's move on.

[forkyew 225]

8 hours ago, Jessica Rain said:

Ignored now. Have a nice day. 

 

Thank you.  That is definitely for the best.

[forkyew 225]

6 hours ago, drlove said:

Another way of handling it (if you felt uncomfortable) is to meet her in the hotel bar for a drink. That way, the two of you have a place to go, and the front desk staff would have lost interest in you anyway after glancing up for a moment. From then on, the two of you could adjourn to your room... At that point, who’s to say you’re not a bonafide couple? No one would be the wiser.

 

There wasn't time for that.  It was complete surprise.  One minute I'm quietly waiting for her upstairs with refreshments and a bottle of wine waiting for her.  The next minute I receive this text from her to get her downstairs.  I was shocked and didn't know how to handle it.

[Jasmine Rain 23126]

Please guys. When you new and inexperienced and you come looking for advice, take the first answer the person gives you'd instead of trying to repeatedly fight them on it. 

 

You guys come here looking for advice and looking for why, we as escorts, do something and don't do other. 

 

So when you ask - was a wrong? And you get the same answer from ALL the women in the thread of - yes. Don't single out one, jump up and down throwing a tantrum at what she said and then rudely tell her to basically fuck off after she started by saying  "Good luck" for your next time.

 

She spent the time to saying something in the first place. She spent the time to politely explain the first time, to give you the direction to go when you are admittedly completely ignorant on the matter based on your inexperience. 

 

So show her some respect and be thankful the first time for the advice, even if you don't agree. Simple agree to disagree and move on. The rest is so unneeed and makes you look foolish for asking for something, being given the appropreaite answer, by multiple people and then throwing a hissing fit with bunched up panties stuck up your butt toward just one of those people. 

 

This is a great lesson on what not to do when starting a thread. So learn from this in more ways then one gentlemen. Thanks! 

[dread pirate roberts 4036]

18 hours ago, forkyew said:

her:  I’m here but you have to come get me.

 

me:  why?  What’s the problem? Front desk won’t let you up?  That’s awkward.  Not really wanting to be identified like that.

her:  ok hun it’s ok I left.  No worries

me: ??? Very peculiar 

 

I get why you didn't want to go down to the lobby - feeling nervous that someone will be watching you is understandable, whether it's likely or not.

But, you know, exactly that same feeling could plausibly make an SP think "I don't want to stand around in this lobby looking conspicuous if he's not coming down right away".

[Jasmine Rain 23126]

21 minutes ago, dread pirate roberts said:

I get why you didn't want to go down to the lobby - feeling nervous that someone will be watching you is understandable, whether it's likely or not.

But, you know, exactly that same feeling could plausibly make an SP think "I don't want to stand around in this lobby looking conspicuous if he's not coming down right away".

 

This is part of what I meant when I said game playing. I don't know many who want to hang around a hotel lobby trying to convince a client to come collect her. 

 

I don't think you guys realize the amount of fake outcalls that get booked. How many times a wallet was forgotten, a police car was drive down the street, a wind blew a leaf at me and I got freaked, type excuses ladies hear on regular basis. 

 

We can't believe them all to be true and there is no sense fighting about it either. All that does is cause ackwardness for the session. He said he refused in his original post, his text show that. There was no changing his mind. And if she did, then he is starting out feeling uncomfortable. 

 

Better to just say " it's ok hun, I'm good" , accept your losses and leave. That was the professional thing to do at that moment with what SHE had to work with. Which was not much. 

 

Can't fault her for moving on to the next when he canceled the appointment by not following through. 

 

It can be inexperience but it doesn't negate the reality of the situation. 

 

If a new lumberkjack, doesn't know something and a mistake happens where by a tree falls on a house, doesn't matter that "he didn't know". Reality is the house if screwed. LOL. 

 

Intent and reality don't have to be the same. 

[Cjthomas 1561]

18 hours ago, Greenteal said:

I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you're not making yourself any favor by using this type of language.

If you don't tone it down , you won't last long here.

After reading the conversation ( text) it is clear that the op wasn’t given the opportunity to do anything. Although he could have sent a text with an offer of compensation  and an apology regardless of who’s at fault. Sometimes  even when we’re right it’s best to pay just to keep the peace. As far as his need to tone down his responses, attitude begets attitude.This escalated simply because he felt JR had negative issues, which is his opinion and his response to her basically accusing him of game playing. She escalates this further with her condescending and confrontational tone. If you don’t like someone’s response you don’t have to use aggression or condescension to express yourself or to make a point.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Cjthomas said:

After reading the conversation ( text) it is clear that the op wasn’t given the opportunity to do anything. Although he could have sent a text with an offer of compensation  and an apology regardless of who’s at fault. Sometimes  even when we’re right it’s best to pay just to keep the peace. As far as his need to tone down his responses, attitude begets attitude.This escalated simply because he felt JR had negative issues, which is his opinion and his response to her basically accusing him of game playing. She escalates this further with her condescending and confrontational tone. If you don’t like someone’s response you don’t have to use aggression or condescension to express yourself or to make a point.

  To be honest, his experience was not worth sharing in the first place and he opened himself to criticism by making it public. I seen far worst and learned from my mistakes and moved on.

  As I mentioned many times, both are at fault. She made no attempt to find a middle ground. But after reading the sarcasm in his reply , we can understand why she didn't. Better communication would have avoided this. Not worth making a big deal about it.

[Jasmine Rain 23126]

11 minutes ago, Cjthomas said:

After reading the conversation ( text) it is clear that the op wasn’t given the opportunity to do anything. Although he could have sent a text with an offer of compensation  and an apology regardless of who’s at fault. Sometimes  even when we’re right it’s best to pay just to keep the peace. As far as his need to tone down his responses, attitude begets attitude.This escalated simply because he felt JR had negative issues, which is his opinion and his response to her basically accusing him of game playing. She escalates this further with her condescending and confrontational tone. If you don’t like someone’s response you don’t have to use aggression or condescension to express yourself or to make a point.

 

It esclasted because he didn't like my answer. I was posting with another member on the merits of whether this was her personal protocol. 

 

That is when he started to go after me. It is quite clear in the thread when and where the attitude started. I am suppose to be the scapegoat of his anger and upset because why???  

 

Sorry but I don't think so. Escorts get bullied enough on boards, I don't take a single oz of it. Never will. My first post, which is like the second one in this thread was more then respectful. It wasn't until he started fighting that and fighting me personally that it went in the direction it did. He took it there, I left him there when done with him. 

 

Don't start what you can't finish. Guess that applies to both this thread and booking appointments. 

[WhereIRoam 21825]

Jessica,

I recall a recent thread in regards to the acronym TOFTT where I didn't feel this acronym was offensive and you replied that even though I may not feel it's offensive it is to her. That it may not be intended as offensive but this doesn't mean it cannot be interpreted as such by someone. I only mention this since you feel you were respectful in your first few posts on this thread but maybe, just maybe, he took offense to it.😉

Cheers,

[Jasmine Rain 23126]

6 hours ago, WhereIRoam said:

Jessica,

I recall a recent thread in regards to the acronym TOFTT where I didn't feel this acronym was offensive and you replied that even though I may not feel it's offensive it is to her. That it may not be intended as offensive but this doesn't mean it cannot be interpreted as such by someone. I only mention this since you feel you were respectful in your first few posts on this thread but maybe, just maybe, he took offense to it.😉

Cheers,

 

I get that. I totally do. And you could be right. And I could be wrong. 

 

But at that point, I honestly didn't and don't give a darn toottin' crap about it with him. 

 

Why?  Because he asked a question, got the same answer from me as others but only choose to go after me. 

 

Why? Because he admits he is inexperienced and then wants to dismiss those who do have the experience and label them/me as having a bad attitude. 

 

Why? Because he didn't even start with all the info to begin with and then judges me for making comments on the only info I have available. While telling me not to judge him. LOL

 

Why? Because it is clear to me and so many others that this posters does have a bit of an entitlement complex. 

 

Why? Because clearly he is too closed minded to listen when I was respectful so why bother trying to remain doing that?

 

Why? Because he is not like you or some of the other GENTLEMEN on the board. 

 

Hope that clears it up for you but thank you for pointing it out. You could be right and while I do care if I offend some people, I don't really care in regards to the this personal poster AFTER I was already nice. 

 

But I will always play nice with you if that helps any. LOL

 

PS - if I didn't post like this, my oh my, what would the men do? They wouldn't be able to call me a bitch and we just can't have that!!!!  

 

 

[IsaMassage 54318]

I do occasional outcalls.. Imo communiacation from both is required .. and all scenarios must be covered.. must times if I dont know whether I can just go up to the room without an elevator key I ask in advance.. so if they need to come and meet is spoken in before hand... I much rather just keep going up.to the room than having to wait around in the lobby...  to be honest I ve learned in this business you have to be clear and upfront from the beginning... and guys please dont take this in the wrong way but most guys dont really think about what is required for a date..  and how to be prepared for many situations.... (less they have already gone through it) us as service providers.. just like in any Customer service position need to be prepared and ready.. and she could have given some reason as to why she required the lobby meeting... I think if he tried some communication afterwards she should have at least answer..  maybe the situation could have been fixed...

[Phaedrus 209521]

21 hours ago, forkyew said:

her:  I’m here but you have to come get me.

 

me:  why?  What’s the problem? Front desk won’t let you up?  That’s awkward.  Not really wanting to be identified like that.

her:  ok hun it’s ok I left.  No worries

me: ??? Very peculiar

So, yeah. That bit in bold is the problem. Sounds like the OP was just trying to say he's a bit uncomfortable with it, and the provider took it as a refusal/cancellation. He could have been clearer, and she could have asked for clarification before bailing.

Now, let's all stop being pissy, learn a small lesson about clear communication, and move along, shall we? Except for people who *really* want the last word, who won't.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Phaedrus said:

So, yeah. That bit in bold is the problem. Sounds like the OP was just trying to say he's a bit uncomfortable with it, and the provider took it as a refusal/cancellation. He could have been clearer, and she could have asked for clarification before bailing.

Now, let's all stop being pissy, learn a small lesson about clear communication, and move along, shall we? Except for people who *really* want the last word, who won't.

 

[forkyew 225]

17 hours ago, Jessica Rain said:

 

It esclasted because he didn't like my answer. I was posting with another member on the merits of whether this was her personal protocol. 

 

That is when he started to go after me. It is quite clear in the thread when and where the attitude started. I am suppose to be the scapegoat of his anger and upset because why???  

 

Sorry but I don't think so. Escorts get bullied enough on boards, I don't take a single oz of it. Never will. My first post, which is like the second one in this thread was more then respectful. It wasn't until he started fighting that and fighting me personally that it went in the direction it did. He took it there, I left him there when done with him. 

 

Don't start what you can't finish. Guess that applies to both this thread and booking appointments. 

 

Holy ...  sugar!  OK then.  Enough.  Please, stay out of this.

 

Really sorry escorts get bullied.  Really sorry women get bullied.  Man, life really sucks.  It's so so hard!  

 

We ALL deal with "sugar" ( sorry for the silly expression - don't want to be accused of bad language again).  Stop feeling sorry for yourself!!

 

Anyhow, the key point here is communication.  I screwed up using poorly chosen words that were interpreted incorrectly.  I also screwed up because I was ignorant and didn't know the protocol.

 

I also hate the written word in this situation and wish the escorts wouldn't rely so heavily on text only.  Speaking to a person over the phone can clear up almost everything!

[Guest]

7 hours ago, forkyew said:

 

Holy ...  sugar!  OK then.  Enough.  Please, stay out of this.

 

Really sorry escorts get bullied.  Really sorry women get bullied.  Man, life really sucks.  It's so so hard!  

 

We ALL deal with "sugar" ( sorry for the silly expression - don't want to be accused of bad language again).  Stop feeling sorry for yourself!!

 

Anyhow, the key point here is communication.  I screwed up using poorly chosen words that were interpreted incorrectly.  I also screwed up because I was ignorant and didn't know the protocol.

 

I also hate the written word in this situation and wish the escorts wouldn't rely so heavily on text only.  Speaking to a person over the phone can clear up almost everything!

 

[Jasmine Rain 23126]

I was not going to come back into this thread, but............

 

After some careful reflection, and even though my opinion has not changed, I will offer my apologies to those in this thread and to the OP for my overly enthusiastic methods in this debate.