the big g 163 Report post Posted November 27, 2018 What is a deal breaker with a service provider? She must allow DATY Lots of DFK BBBJ with CIM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ice4fun 78407 Report post Posted November 27, 2018 I am assuming that the point of this thread is for clients to say what "acts" a lady "must" provide for them to see her???? Well if that is the case I am not interested in providing any such list and personally would not apply the "require act" criteria to any lady. In my experience the best by far meetings I have had are with ladies who I met and we just went with the the flow .... I am not a menu type of client. I have seen ladies whose advertising paint a broad picture of what an encounter with her is like and ladies who had menu lists and have noticed that there is no correlation between one being better or worse then the other. I guess in reality I am not purchasing certain acts I am reimbursing the lady for a period of companionship... sometimes with little or no sex and sometimes highly focuses on great sex. (Often the same lady in both cases) Just my Opinion 6 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MsManda 25686 Report post Posted November 27, 2018 16 minutes ago, the big g said: What is a deal breaker with a service provider? She must allow DATY Lots of DFK BBBJ with CIM What is a deal breaker to this service provider? Anyone, let alone a stranger, contacting me, thinking I *must* risk my lifelong health and safety for their orgasm(s), especially sight unseen. 6 years in the industry, I've seen some things, and so I promise very little to a stranger beyond a great time, in lovely company 🙂 I no longer offer a menu of services; I offer an experience to behold This demand for bb services is unfortunately rising, as are sti rates, and I truly feel for the newer providers who feel they have to put their health at risk for a few extra bucks.. I've been there. I did bbbj for a long time, and decided to remove it from my menu when antibiotic resistant gonorrhea and syphilis started making Canadian news. The media already blames us btw I hear my cbj is spectacular though 😛 It just makes me cringe to see someone post this stuff, as a newer provider will likely see it, and think this is the norm, or just a risk of the job that everyone is taking.. Not all of us are, and we're still successful, with happy guests 🙂 8 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
katie 1337 Report post Posted November 27, 2018 25 minutes ago, the big g said: What is a deal breaker with a service provider? She must allow DATY Lots of DFK BBBJ with CIM WOW, you can't be serious! Am I seeing this Correct? A "Thread" about what "Services An Sp Must Allow".. REALLY?!!... This is my opinion, and only my opinion "the big g"... Shame on you, for even thinking about, posting a "Thread" on this Topic! Weather I'm right or wrong, I really don't care. I'm entitled to "My Opinion" and I will voice it! I'm not sure if I have enough Time or Space on here to say, what I think. Aren't Service Providers Donations, for their "Time and Companionship"? "Legally!! Not weather they Provide ... "DATY",DFK,BBBJ, and CIM"... And "A DEAL BREAKER"... This is Posted in "The General Discussion Area of Canada"!!? "Publicly"... You know what, when I'm asked these "Type Of Questions".. I'm put in a Real Hard Spot.. You must know what I'm talking about.. "Legally".. and if you'd don't "Look It Up"... I always try to watch "What I Say.. And How I Say It" To Protect Myself and The Client/Hobbyiest... My Thoughts ... If your only worried about the "Menu".. You will never... Know what True Companionship Is... Dirty .. Dirty.. Thread here.. Have yourself a great day.. 2 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roamingguy 300292 Report post Posted November 27, 2018 44 minutes ago, the big g said: What is a deal breaker with a service provider? She must allow DATY Lots of DFK BBBJ with CIM Deal Breaker...She Must...??? I'm guessing you're going to get a lot of broken deals Dates are time and companionship. A good date is mutually beneficial and unfolds naturally. RG 3 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
katie 1337 Report post Posted November 27, 2018 How about.. I start a Thread ... On "Oral Gonorrhoea and Syphilis"... Of course, I will not.. 😡 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted November 28, 2018 All of your essential "requirements" are far better when earned through mutual respect, attraction and chemistry. When you try forcing those, you more than often end up paying for a passionless experience guided by a checklist. Humanising the session will get you far more. As for real deal breakers, here a few: -Deception -Dishonesty -Poor hygiene -and fraudulent behavior. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rubylabellexo 1144 Report post Posted November 28, 2018 On 11/27/2018 at 10:46 AM, the big g said: What is a deal breaker with a service provider? She must allow DATY Lots of DFK BBBJ with CIM Yikes... why not let the SP decide what they're comfortable offering to you in particular over time? The downwards pressure to offer more unsafe services is not something I plan to give in to, as my health and safety takes priority. I have made exceptions with certain clients, and that's something that I will offer only if I feel completely comfortable with it. (CIM and BBFS will never be options!) CBJ done with skill can still be highly pleasurable to the recipient. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TorontoMelanieJolliet 4458 Report post Posted November 29, 2018 11 hours ago, Greenteal said: When you try forcing those, you more than often end up paying for a passionless experience guided by a checklist. Humanising the session will get you far more. As for real deal breakers, here a few: -Deception -Dishonesty -Poor hygiene -and fraudulent behavior. But some people don't care about passion and only want the checklist. Humanising also is not important. For some the whole experience is one where they get to pretend that SW has a number of clients and does their bidding all day long. They think that when they see a SW they are doing her a favour (by actually paying, what they want of course) so she does what he wants out of obligation. That is why there are different business models. Since most of the girls who contribute here do NOT enjoy or offer on that business level, this post is really shocking. But on other sites it is normal. These type of customers are normal on those sites. Seems some people want to change the direction of this site, so they can participate more or influence, as influencing (from clients) became less of a thing since FOSTA/SESTA (which POTUS signed to appease his base). People want to take the power back. It is reflective of the times. Just look south for the mood... and follow it here. It spills over... 3 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted November 29, 2018 9 minutes ago, TorontoMelanieJolliet said: But some people don't care about passion and only want the checklist. Humanising also is not important. For some the whole experience is one where they get to pretend that SW has a number of clients and does their bidding all day long. They think that when they see a SW they are doing her a favour (by actually paying, what they want of course) so she does what he wants out of obligation. That is why there are different business models. Since most of the girls who contribute here do NOT enjoy or offer on that business level, this post is really shocking. But on other sites it is normal. These type of customers are normal on those sites. Seems some people want to change the direction of this site, so they can participate more or influence, as influencing (from clients) became less of a thing since FOSTA/SESTA (which POTUS signed to appease his base). People want to take the power back. It is reflective of the times. Just look south for the mood... and follow it here. It spills over... One of the first SP I met was quite passionate without ever crossing the line. She would often go on hiatus during college sessions and in those periods I would try to find someone else. It was never easy as I often ended up with transactional women and procurers with a distorted view of reality. I did find some other women with positive attitudes, but it took a fair amount of trial and error to discover them. I consider myself lucky to experience early with someone who enjoy this line of work. It showed me how good communication, patience and respect does pay off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ice4fun 78407 Report post Posted November 29, 2018 1 hour ago, TorontoMelanieJolliet said: But some people don't care about passion and only want the checklist. Humanising also is not important. For some the whole experience is one where they get to pretend that SW has a number of clients and does their bidding all day long. They think that when they see a SW they are doing her a favour (by actually paying, what they want of course) so she does what he wants out of obligation. That is why there are different business models. Since most of the girls who contribute here do NOT enjoy or offer on that business level, this post is really shocking. But on other sites it is normal. These type of customers are normal on those sites. Seems some people want to change the direction of this site, so they can participate more or influence, as influencing (from clients) became less of a thing since FOSTA/SESTA (which POTUS signed to appease his base). People want to take the power back. It is reflective of the times. Just look south for the mood... and follow it here. It spills over... I totally agree with you that there are a number of different business models at play. Some are looking for companionship and some are looking for purely physical and I am sure some just want to control the situation. I guess I fall into the companionship group but hey if the other business models work for "Both" parties involved then who am I to say it's good or bad or to apply my standards to them. While I intuitively know that is right ... I can't help but express the concern that the continued movement to normalize within the industry activities that are risky from a health perspective is unfair to those working in the industry. I believe many feel pressured to perform services that they are not comfortable with. Decisions around what services a lady provides and what she charges should be entirely up to her and no one should try to influence or pressure that decision. Just my opinion 4 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roamingguy 300292 Report post Posted November 29, 2018 13 minutes ago, Ice4fun said: Decisions around what services a lady provides and what she charges should be entirely up to her and no one should try to influence or pressure that decision. Just my opinion Agreed and when we read lines like "she must allow....." and that these are deal breakers is nothing short of pressure Dates are time and companionship, to unfold naturally and be mutually beneficial Pressuring decisions has no place here JMO RG 4 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OceanMassage 5357 Report post Posted November 29, 2018 I was puzzled by the op because of the contradiction in the statement: "what is a deal breaker with a SP? For me... (...) lots of DFK, BBBJ with CIM sounds as if a SP who provides those is a big no no which would make sense but that "must allow DATY" let us understand that op was just too lazy to type a proper statement with the appropriate negative at the proper place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WildTiger 1296 Report post Posted November 29, 2018 I agree with many of the responses, the best times I've experienced were with ladies that genuinely seemed interested in the moment. I've never worried about a check list. In fact whenever a lady asks me what I want or like I will usually reply with "let's see where things go", or ask them what they like. I know, a crazy concept, but I feel if I treat the lady with respect and we let things just happen it will seem more natural and we will both probably have a lot more fun. I'm also going to give the OP the benefit of the doubt that he just expressed himself poorly (something I frequently worry about in my posts). For myself, I will try to look up posts or a website by the SP that gives me a clue about their personality or style. For example, I like a more passionate experience with a lot of kissing and caressing, so perhaps that's a "deal breaker" for me. If an SP has expressed that this is not her style I will probably look elsewhere and not waste her time or risk an experience that is less than satisfying for me. However, once I have arranged to spend time with a lady I don't go into the session with a list or demands ("but you said you do _____"). The few times I have had a less than enjoyable experience I can usually look back on not having done my research, not effectively communicated with the lady, or ignored warning signs while thinking with my little brain. 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rambler1980 1359 Report post Posted November 30, 2018 On 11/27/2018 at 12:46 PM, the big g said: What is a deal breaker with a service provider? She must allow DATY Lots of DFK BBBJ with CIM I have things I like and would probably decline to see a provider if she didn't offer some of the things I enjoy, but your post has blunt phrasing that is comes across very objectifying towards providers. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeffanders22 1487 Report post Posted November 30, 2018 (edited) If said provider offers an experience you think you will like, book, if she does not offer one you believe you would like, don't book, pretty simple; no need to have a drama thread about what you think a SP should do, in some vain effort to encourage more people to do as you want. Edited November 30, 2018 by jeffanders22 Spelling 2 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meaghan McLeod 179664 Report post Posted November 30, 2018 When someone contacts me demanding these specialized services, it's a deal breaker for me. It's not the services that's the issue, as I thoroughly love providing them, to those I feel a mutual connection with. However someone making demands, before I've ever met them, I pass. It's a screening process that has never failed me. However, the whole industry in on a downward spiral due to this type of mentality. Riskier behaviors that risk the whole community. 4 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rambler1980 1359 Report post Posted November 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Meaghan McLeod said: When someone contacts me demanding these specialized services, it's a deal breaker for me. It's not the services that's the issue, as I thoroughly love providing them, to those I feel a mutual connection with. If I'm in the mood for specific things I do always ask first unless the provider and I have history already. Like I might ask via text msg, "Do you offer DFK?", not sure if a question phrased like that would be a deal breaker for you? I'm curious only because pissing off providers is never my goal, and I pride myself on trying to treat people in a fair way. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted November 30, 2018 12 minutes ago, Rambler1980 said: If I'm in the mood for specific things I do always ask first unless the provider and I have history already. Like I might ask via text msg, "Do you offer DFK?", not sure if a question phrased like that would be a deal breaker for you? I'm curious only because pissing off providers is never my goal, and I pride myself on trying to treat people in a fair way. Her point was simply that some things are reserved to those she shares good chemistry with. Asking those questions gets a bit redundant when it takes more than a few pictures and description to get an honest answer. And this goes both ways. Better expect less and get more, than the other way around. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meaghan McLeod 179664 Report post Posted November 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Rambler1980 said: If I'm in the mood for specific things I do always ask first unless the provider and I have history already. Like I might ask via text msg, "Do you offer DFK?", not sure if a question phrased like that would be a deal breaker for you? I'm curious only because pissing off providers is never my goal, and I pride myself on trying to treat people in a fair way. Ok, 2 scenarios. Him, I'm looking for dfk, is this something you enjoy? Or Him, if I don't get dfk, I'll walk. If the approach is respectful, it's ok. If it demanded, the conversation is ended. 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grizzlybear 251 Report post Posted December 1, 2018 I'm thinking that the ladies who replied may be taking offence as to the blunt nature of op's post. I too am a total experience type of guy. There's not necessarily one deal breaker for me. When I book with a new lady, I don't ask for specific services but I will often ask what her restrictions are as I don't want to cross any line out of respect for her. It will also give me an Idea of her nature if she's to restrictive. In saying that, my toftt days are over. I always do my research before booking a lady. On the other hand, there are many hobbyists who partake in the kink and dom side of this hobby. They may cross over, but they are used to the menu demanding model as this is their nature, and nature of that world. Some partaking in this hobby may not be aware yet that this is what they crave. I am assuming that the ladies who replied with objection are not part of this world as the ladies who I've talked to who do offer these services demand that everything is spelled out to the letter. There are many facets to this hobby, and many characteristics as you ladies already know. In my opinion, you ladies shouldn't take offense, just delete his text and move on if you find it offensive. He may be just searching for a submissive. If you respond to a text that is inappropriate, this will just fuel the guy who's only looking for attention. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ice4fun 78407 Report post Posted December 1, 2018 I may be wrong but I think the ladies who objected to the OP were also upset at the trend within the industry to drive prices down and to pressure ladies to include unsafe sex in their sessions. The bluntness of the OP question does not help the situation. As for not getting upset and just deleting the text ... that sounds like an effective and easy solution if you are getting the occasional offensive request but if your texts and email are full of them its not that easy. If you don't reply people come on these type of sites and say you are hard to book an or don't answer... Most of the reputable ladies that I know have gone to significant effort to paint a picture of the type of serrvice they provide on their ad's, websites, Social Media so it is usually pretty easy to get a fairly accurate understanding of what the session will be like. Ladies also understand that under the law they can be very frank in ads and websites or calls but that if they are they are placing their clients in legal jeopardy as purchasing of sex is illegal for the client but legal for the sex worker. So before we want details we should think about why a lady speaks in generality and be thankful for their keeping us safe. Bottom line for me ... book and go and if you are not happy with the service you don't have to go back .... But you do always have to treat the lady with respect. Just my Opinion 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
katie 1337 Report post Posted December 1, 2018 There are many facets to this hobby, and many characteristics as you ladies already know. In my opinion, you ladies shouldn't take offense, just delete his text and move on if you find it offensive. He may be just searching for a submissive. If you respond to a text that is inappropriate, this will just fuel the guy who's only looking for attention. I believe most Sp's, are aware of the different kinds of Fetishes. In saying that, some Sp's are "Fetish Friendly".. Here or there, that's really not the issue here. I'm my Opinion, it's Quite Ruid, and Disrespectful (I think) to post something like this, on a "Thread" .....Deal Breaker...Must Allow......Lots.....BBBJ.... CIM.. I really don't think something like this should be posted on a "Thread"... There is "Private Message" available, to ask some types of questions. If it's a Fetish, then most are aware of what occurs. And Again, Donations are for "Time And Companion" ....If the "Hobbyist" asked a "Sp" .......Do you allow DATY, Lots DFK, and CIM....that puts her in a "Difficult " spot "Legally" ..... "I'll give an example here....Hobbyist asks ""Do I need to bring Condoms?" .....That right there could be "Busted".... Questions and Responses... Should be "Carefully Picked",.. Respect Goes A Long Way PS.... If this "Text".. Could be Deleted.. It would of been .... My Thoughts....;) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TorontoMelanieJolliet 4458 Report post Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) On 11/27/2018 at 11:46 AM, the big g said: What is a deal breaker with a service provider? She must allow DATY Lots of DFK BBBJ with CIM Basically, no matter what your business model, it's just rude. As a woman, it's just rude. And "lots of DfK" is just weird and not exactly manly. That's just how it comes across. Some men got it and some men don't. If someone were to ask about kissing that would be way different than "lots of DFK". I mean really... what does "lots of" mean anyways? The OP wants his checklist met. He is seeking a certain type of girl and business model. Also bbj with cim is usually considered in a pornstar-like session. And he just added it to his list. He made no distinction that is might be part of different experience. So all that, from a total stranger, is demanding and disrespectful (cuz she may offer those things but he has put her on the defensive by being demanding and not allowing her to basically defend herself, yes it's that kinda feeling those demands put on a girl, it's THAT bad) and puts someone in the position to be angry, offended and totally want to not meet that person, ever. She may offer those things anyways.. but you still have to ask nicely. More flies with honey than vinegar. Dude is probably used to communicating with "handlers" or "trained" girls who don't exactly view "tricks" in a much better light either. So they are made to get together for these things. Thing is a guy like this will upset a girl who is not his match, want to fight about it when instead he should have just moved on. Deleting and blocking can be done, but just wait for the app number to come through so he can finish it by pretending he is someone else... you all don't understand. But OP, after reading through these responses, should now see that is method of demanding things is not welcomed by everybody and should seek out certain girls who will accept this. But I still have a feeling he doesn't really care about what is said here. I believe he was on a mission 😕 You walk into McDonald's. McDonald's does things to make the customer experience comfortable. They take pride in offering these little things. But you want to make sure you get those little things. So you make a list and make the demand. Each demand gets the employee a little more miffed as each demand was available to you already, you would have seen, if you just enjoyed the experience. But you demanded it, and employee has to try to convince you that it is already going to be a part of your experience. It's more work, it creates a chasm between you and the employee and your whole experience today at McDonald's. And you have insulted the practices that are in place, to make your experience the best. And that's on you, not McDonalds. Edited December 4, 2018 by TorontoMelanieJolliet 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katherine of Halifax 113932 Report post Posted December 8, 2018 I really hate to say this but this is where review boards has brought us . In my opinion things are far out of control , way out of control . I could be wrong about my assumptions but.... With all the review boards may I say with many ladies 0ffering service, some imply if you don't offer this service someone else will . As a provider someone had the audacity to question my services . Although I don't have a menu I have some strict no - nos. Some prince emailed me the other day and his main concern was if I offered anal ? When I politely declined he wanted to know why which is none of his business at all . I thanked him for his inquiry and expected this to be the end. Then the texts and phone calls , why, why , not? I'm sure he would be a treat . My expected donation is in the upper range just so I don't have to deal with ignorance and entitled . Sadly, you could ask anything and will still have entitled men that seem to feel extra special . Even though my donations are clearly noted on my website I'm still asked for " special consideration " . Because of course this " gentleman is well hung " . Or gorgeous and it will be my pleasure so see him for less . He doesn't get my mortgage, day to day living and just the running of my life . But oh , don't forget he is awesome and will even pay for my dinner ( FOR FREE ) . This conversation never ends well at all :( I wonder if I can call the bank ? Could I inform the manager I'm a leading lady in Canada with many positive reviews . I'm sure I could get him to do something to help me . Because , well I'm special after all ? Oh and mine own opinion, beautiful and skilled ? LOL , let me call tomorrow , perhaps they ( might ) cancel my mortgage . Gee, I'm so special they may write it off . That was a nice dream , however I live in reality. I am in a place in life where I hardly advertise unless I happen to be around .( 0r travelling ) Because of course all the genius ( men) don't seen to be able to have time to visit my site . Why even LeoList gives hints and tips and how to make a polite inquiry . Where did all the polite gentlemen go ? I and many others are used to a nice letter of introduction with name rank and serial number . They had visited my site already and wanted to book T 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
